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Lycuo
Ancient Exiles
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Posted - 2013.10.25 14:46:00 -
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This is going to be a thread for those of us who get complaints all the time of running full proto in pub matches...
I want to hear every old members memories of when they first started out and how badly they got protostomped and why it is actually a good thing to do because it drives the committed and good players to become great players...
So we will start out with mine... When i first started this game i am a student of the EvE universe so being highly versed in the EvE skilling tree I had no problem managing my way around this skill tree. My character had all the best stats i could give it and I was even good at first person shooters (like CoD and Bf3) having that quick twitch hand muscles making it easy to move target to target and keeping enemies in my sights. What i could not figure out for the life of my is why people (back in the day) like toyboi or regynum or protoman could survive facing off versus a whole team when their stats were only slightly higher than mine. At this time i was in On The Brink which in my opinion was not a horrible group but for sure not the best corp out there. Slowly through the help of my OTB friends and studying better gamers i learned how to use this games aiming to my advantage and also how to combine certain elements of my dropsuits that seemed a little outlandish to make a strong, faster, better dropsuit. But this still did not allow me to face off against whole teams. It merely made me able to kill just about anyone 1 on 1 and have a fighting chance against the greats of the time. It wasnt until i randomly one day got to squad with toyboi that i realized the aspect of the game that i was missing that all the greats had. My dropsuit at the time was ofcourse the b-series assault dropsuit. I loved my shields because they were able to recharge fast after i had killed someone. But what i never did was in the middle of a gunfight give them a chance to start recovering before killing my first target, so that when my second target or third or fourth came into the area, I was less weakened then if i had just finished him off right there. This was the missing aspect on how to beast a whole team together... give yourself a second or two to recover because most players in this game run after someone who is damaged rather than licking their wounds and trying to survive another day. The other thing this allowed for was me to be in a better position to finish off these players who chased me around because i was able to use corners to my advantage peaking out and back in when i wanted to not when they wanted me to... This is when i feel like i became someone that wasnt just another pushover and finally could compete. I then went on to get my proto vk.1 suit and fitted it to maximize my survivability to damage ratio and started to earn back my kdr that was soooo damaged from the hard knocks of this game. In using both great strategy and a great suit i was able to push from a 1.34 kdr at 3,500 kills to a 5.46 at 34,000 kills. This is also a way to prove urself and get noticed by the better (or even best) players and make ur way into their corps or alliances like i feel i have recently.
The thing is protostomping is a one sided battle mostly... But in saying that its only a one sided battle for a short period... Eventually the good up and coming players will figure out the strategy to this game and they too will obtain prototype suits with their own tweak on great strategies that can counter you and they too will become a "great" at this game. If we all ran militia to make it even when you start then we would all have a player base like Call of Duty does where 99.9% of the players are casual players who couldnt even tell you what a "route" was and they would be stat boosters for the .1% that was competitive gamers who run routes, push spawns, team cap and it would be pointless.
This game pushes you to better yourself and instead of giving up... figure out what they do that you dont so that you can survive an encounter with them... and maybe with a few friends you can kill them... I promise you killing us once with a standard or militia rifle annoys us but if u get us twice... It will get you noticed and if u get us more than that you will make it onto someones team no matter how few skill points you have.
So lets hear all the other veteran stories of your learning the game while getting protostomped... |
SoTa PoP
MoIden Heath PoIice Department EoN.
4143
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Posted - 2013.10.25 14:50:00 -
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Sorry I've never been proto-stomped. Been playing this since way back in closed beta - when they got there protos so did I and I was already running with the Imperfects by then. :(
But I agree - to some it does amp up there competitive nature to try harder. But it seems most just cry. |
soulreaper73
PFB Pink Fluffy Bunnies
458
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Posted - 2013.10.25 14:51:00 -
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SoTa PoP wrote:Sorry I've never been proto-stomped. Been playing this since way back in closed beta - when they got there protos so did I and I was already running with the Imperfects by then. :( But I agree - to some it does amp up there competitive nature to try harder. But it seems most just cry.
^This
Well said Sota.
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Jason Pearson
Animus Securities
3055
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Posted - 2013.10.25 14:52:00 -
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PUT THE DAMN SPACES BETWEEN THE PARAGRAPHS LYCUO, GOD DAMN IT.
King of the Forums // Vehicle Specialist for Hire Comment and like this thread about PvE, Here! Also, check out the Indirect Fire ability, Here! |
Lycuo
Ancient Exiles
105
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Posted - 2013.10.25 14:52:00 -
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Yeah i figured some of you would for sure never get stomped anyone in imperfects and old school betamax and si where always the top but there are others like me that took our asswhoopings and came back with avengence...
To me that just makes this game better theres that sense of achievement unlike in CoD where you just picked up the "cheapest" weapon and learned how to rampage with it.. |
Vyzion Eyri
The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine
1561
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Posted - 2013.10.25 14:53:00 -
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Was getting stomped by TSOLE so I joined them.
Then started getting stomped by other people so I took to the skies.
Currently getting stomped by forge guns.
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Lycuo
Ancient Exiles
105
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Posted - 2013.10.25 14:53:00 -
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Jason Pearson wrote:PUT THE DAMN SPACES BETWEEN THE PARAGRAPHS LYCUO, GOD DAMN IT.
King of the Forums // Vehicle Specialist for Hire Comment and like this thread about PvE, Here!Also, check out the Indirect Fire ability, Here!
Look i never said my forum warrior level was high or anything lol |
SoTa PoP
MoIden Heath PoIice Department EoN.
4143
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Posted - 2013.10.25 14:57:00 -
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Lycuo wrote:Jason Pearson wrote:PUT THE DAMN SPACES BETWEEN THE PARAGRAPHS LYCUO, GOD DAMN IT.
King of the Forums // Vehicle Specialist for Hire Comment and like this thread about PvE, Here!Also, check out the Indirect Fire ability, Here! Look i never said my forum warrior level was high or anything lol Would take 10 seconds to fix tbf. |
Lycuo
Ancient Exiles
107
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Posted - 2013.10.25 15:00:00 -
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SoTa PoP wrote:Lycuo wrote:Jason Pearson wrote:PUT THE DAMN SPACES BETWEEN THE PARAGRAPHS LYCUO, GOD DAMN IT.
King of the Forums // Vehicle Specialist for Hire Comment and like this thread about PvE, Here!Also, check out the Indirect Fire ability, Here! Look i never said my forum warrior level was high or anything lol Would take 10 seconds to fix tbf.
I did lol just letting you all know ive been around the game for two years now... my forum warrior level is dispicable at best... |
Viktor Hadah Jr
Negative-Impact Cult of War
652
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Posted - 2013.10.25 15:00:00 -
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I started so early no one even had proto... I got swarm spammed pretty often...
Along the same lines where the **** are the small turret. installations. |
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axis alpha
Red Star. EoN.
67
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Posted - 2013.10.25 15:16:00 -
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I'm from closed beta before corps were put into the game and everyone was in npc corps lol. And I sure did take a ass whoopin a lot. I remember I would ALWAYS run into STABBEY and he would just **** everyone by himself.... that made me rage and wanna be better. I'm not great like op but I'm better :) |
Repe Susi
Rautaleijona Top Men.
730
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Posted - 2013.10.25 15:22:00 -
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Oh man those were the days. Closed beta, old Manus Peak. I had been interested in Dust for a while already but never got over to download it. My previous real fps-experience being Doom if you don't count singleplayer. It was horrible. But the playerbase was mostly equal. Im sure there were people with proto already but to be honest I didn'tt quite know what it meant then. Only that some players were kicking serious ass. I wanted to become one of them also! It drove me to play and play and play. Good times. |
NAV HIV
The Generals EoN.
478
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Posted - 2013.10.25 15:22:00 -
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I remember hiding and taking covers from missiles, small and large turrets alike. Didn't have that much issue with Proto stompers though. but those missiles. made me want to break my controller sometimes lol... So i became a blaster tanker right after... |
Arkena Wyrnspire
Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance
4203
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Posted - 2013.10.25 15:26:00 -
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I find that being stomped to some extent makes me strive to be better, but sometimes it's just demoralising. It depends how you're beaten, really. If I'm beaten by a better player in a duel that makes me strive to be better. If I'm wrecked by two full squads who are using tactics like forge gun roof sniping, that's just frustrating. |
Heimdallr69
Imperfect Bastards
1088
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Posted - 2013.10.25 15:33:00 -
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Lycuo wrote:This is going to be a thread for those of us who get complaints all the time of running full proto in pub matches...
I want to hear every old members memories of when they first started out and how badly they got protostomped and why it is actually a good thing to do because it drives the committed and good players to become great players...
So we will start out with mine... .....When i first started this game i am a student of the EvE universe so being highly versed in the EvE skilling tree I had no problem managing my way around this skill tree. My character had all the best stats i could give it and I was even good at first person shooters (like CoD and Bf3) having that quick twitch hand muscles making it easy to move target to target and keeping enemies in my sights.
....What i could not figure out for the life of my is why people (back in the day) like toyboi or regynum or protoman could survive facing off versus a whole team when their stats were only slightly higher than mine. At this time i was in On The Brink which in my opinion was not a horrible group but for sure not the best corp out there. Slowly through the help of my OTB friends and studying better gamers i learned how to use this games aiming to my advantage and also how to combine certain elements of my dropsuits that seemed a little outlandish to make a strong, faster, better dropsuit. But this still did not allow me to face off against whole teams. It merely made me able to kill just about anyone 1 on 1 and have a fighting chance against the greats of the time.
.....It wasnt until i randomly one day got to squad with toyboi that i realized the aspect of the game that i was missing that all the greats had. My dropsuit at the time was ofcourse the b-series assault dropsuit. I loved my shields because they were able to recharge fast after i had killed someone. But what i never did was in the middle of a gunfight give them a chance to start recovering before killing my first target, so that when my second target or third or fourth came into the area, I was less weakened then if i had just finished him off right there. This was the missing aspect on how to beast a whole team together... give yourself a second or two to recover because most players in this game run after someone who is damaged rather than licking their wounds and trying to survive another day.
.....The other thing this allowed for was me to be in a better position to finish off these players who chased me around because i was able to use corners to my advantage peaking out and back in when i wanted to not when they wanted me to... This is when i feel like i became someone that wasnt just another pushover and finally could compete.
.....I then went on to get my proto vk.1 suit and fitted it to maximize my survivability to damage ratio and started to earn back my kdr that was soooo damaged from the hard knocks of this game. In using both great strategy and a great suit i was able to push from a 1.34 kdr at 3,500 kills to a 5.46 at 34,000 kills. This is also a way to prove urself and get noticed by the better (or even best) players and make ur way into their corps or alliances like i feel i have recently.
The thing is protostomping is a one sided battle mostly... But in saying that its only a one sided battle for a short period... Eventually the good up and coming players will figure out the strategy to this game and they too will obtain prototype suits with their own tweak on great strategies that can counter you and they too will become a "great" at this game. If we all ran militia to make it even when you start then we would all have a player base like Call of Duty does where 99.9% of the players are casual players who couldnt even tell you what a "route" was and they would be stat boosters for the .1% that was competitive gamers who run routes, push spawns, team cap and it would be pointless.
This game pushes you to better yourself and instead of giving up... figure out what they do that you dont so that you can survive an encounter with them... and maybe with a few friends you can kill them... I promise you killing us once with a standard or militia rifle annoys us but if u get us twice... It will get you noticed and if u get us more than that you will make it onto someones team no matter how few skill points you have.
So lets hear all the other veteran stories of your learning the game while getting protostomped... Never happend..I was in the first build in closed beta I got zitrostomped if that counts? |
SoTa PoP
MoIden Heath PoIice Department EoN.
4144
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Posted - 2013.10.25 15:38:00 -
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Let me share one of my hatemails.
Randomguy: F&&& YOU. YOU NEED PROTO AS A CRUTCH CUZ U SUCK W AUTOAIM. ME N MY SQD HAD YOUR ASS AND YOU GLITCH AZZ *N WORD* HAD TO CHEAT "AND" YOU USED PROTO. ID STOMP YOU SON AND TAKE YOUR GIRL NO ONE WANTS TO BE WITH A FAGUT AZZ PROTO CRUTCH CUMBUCKET.
I was running solo in ADV gear, nothing proto but armor mods, and these guys rushed the objective I spawned in and I took out 4 of 'em and still had my shields.
I think new players don't realize it's the passives that make all the difference - not the proto gear. |
Shotty GoBang
Pro Hic Immortalis
1746
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Posted - 2013.10.25 15:39:00 -
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Not a vet. Arrived in Chrome. Learned -- quickly -- to fear all PFBs and Imps. The vets who kicked my arse on arrival are still kickin' my arse today :-) |
Mikey The Bandaid
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
46
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Posted - 2013.10.25 15:47:00 -
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This is the best pro-proto running argument I've ever heard. You make great point, all of which are true. Facing hard competition always forces you to improve your game and everyone benefits from that.
Personally, sitting at 20.5 mil sp fully proto logi, I still prefer to run adv fits in pub matches mainly because I like making isk. The thing that ruins your argument is the fact that the vast majority of the proto stompers mass spam grenades and mass drivers which throws tactics straight out the window. How is anyone supposed to use cover or flank when you are exploded instantly by a proto forge 450 meters away? |
Heimdallr69
Imperfect Bastards
1088
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Posted - 2013.10.25 15:49:00 -
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SoTa PoP wrote:Let me share one of my hatemails.
Randomguy: F&&& YOU. YOU NEED PROTO AS A CRUTCH CUZ U SUCK W AUTOAIM. ME N MY SQD HAD YOUR ASS AND YOU GLITCH AZZ *N WORD* HAD TO CHEAT "AND" YOU USED PROTO. ID STOMP YOU SON AND TAKE YOUR GIRL NO ONE WANTS TO BE WITH A FAGUT AZZ PROTO CRUTCH CUMBUCKET.
I was running solo in ADV gear, nothing proto but armor mods, and these guys rushed the objective I spawned in and I took out 4 of 'em and still had my shields.
I think new players don't realize it's the passives that make all the difference - not the proto gear. Since coming back this is the closest I got...I thought you left...glad you're back |
Heimdallr69
Imperfect Bastards
1088
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Posted - 2013.10.25 15:50:00 -
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Shotty GoBang wrote:Not a vet. Arrived in Chrome. Learned -- quickly -- to fear all PFBs and Imps. The vets who kicked my arse on arrival are still kickin' my arse today. Respect the Oldtimers :-) The ones that kicked mine are long gone...except venery |
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Lycuo
Ancient Exiles
111
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Posted - 2013.10.25 16:14:00 -
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Mikey The Bandaid wrote:This is the best pro-proto running argument I've ever heard. You make great point, all of which are true. Facing hard competition always forces you to improve your game and everyone benefits from that.
Personally, sitting at 20.5 mil sp fully proto logi, I still prefer to run adv fits in pub matches mainly because I like making isk. The thing that ruins your argument is the fact that the vast majority of the proto stompers mass spam grenades and mass drivers which throws tactics straight out the window. How is anyone supposed to use cover or flank when you are exploded instantly by a proto forge 450 meters away?
pull a sniper out and head shot him twice... i do this all the time...
Forgegunners are one of the easiest things to counter because they have to stay on a high point so you always know where they are...
In my opinion the hardest thing to counter ( in competitive play trying to hack a point ) is an RE scout or speed logi... these guys can wreak havok without even being there and even if you know to look for the REs ur losing focus on them and putting urself in a compromised position again they can always be killed... but in competitive play they are strong as could be...
And hey grenade spam wouldnt be able to happen if more people ran flux grenades to take out hives and uplinks ;) |
Repe Susi
Rautaleijona Top Men.
730
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Posted - 2013.10.25 16:22:00 -
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NAV HIV wrote:I remember hiding and taking covers from missiles, small and large turrets alike. Didn't have that much issue with Proto stompers though. but those missiles. made me want to break my controller sometimes lol... So i became a blaster tanker right after...
****. **** the missiles. Was not fun when (player name redacted) was in LAV right under our MCC camping. There was no way out. |
DJINN Loki
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
14
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Posted - 2013.10.25 16:26:00 -
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Shotty GoBang wrote:Not a vet. Arrived in Chrome. Learned -- quickly -- to fear all PFBs and Imps. The vets who kicked my arse on arrival are still kickin' my arse today. Respect the Oldtimers :-)
same here. i arrived in chrome and i quickly learned to fear the black suited demons with orange eyes. at first it frustrated me, but dammit all if i wasn't going to reach their level and give them back tenfold what they gave me. also, seeing the sweet proto suits made me want one as well. it took me a long time to really learn how the old pros did it, but through trail and error and with the help of my fellow corp-mates, i was able to really understand this game on the same level the old vets did. i didnt cry when i got protostomped and i still don't to this day. i just suck it up and try something else. Getting proto stomped brings out the competitive nature within me and when i really come across someone who is just simply amazing, i always send a good game message for the ass kicking i just received. don't complain about losing to a proto guy. learn from it, chase him or her down and blow their as up! |
Protocake JR
Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire
823
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Posted - 2013.10.25 16:36:00 -
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Everyone who used to protostomp me back in closed are gone. It was frustrating back then because I had no SP, however, I stuck around because I was a huge fanboi that daydreamed of what Dust may become one day. I was pretty much obsessed with this game.
Then I woke up. I think the only reason i'm still here is purely out of habit now. |
Niuvo
The Phoenix Federation The Ascendancy
651
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Posted - 2013.10.25 16:36:00 -
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Great thread. This takes me back to when I was a noob. I was using starter fits and boy was it fun in chromosome. I questioned, "why when these [corp] names pop up, they win all the time?" I understood that these players were better then me. Damn it I feel like I've grown with this character, with this game. I got 18 mil SP |
low genius
The Sound Of Freedom Renegade Alliance
751
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Posted - 2013.10.25 16:37:00 -
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been proto since day one.
never used it in a pub.
speak for yourself.
proto is for pussies. |
Niuvo
The Phoenix Federation The Ascendancy
651
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Posted - 2013.10.25 16:41:00 -
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I like pro dudes, the only thing I can't stand is how the game works. By this I mean the unbalanced weapons and nades, those damn nades.
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Lycuo
Ancient Exiles
112
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Posted - 2013.10.25 17:12:00 -
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nades are a bit strong but in what fps do nades not ultimately work just a little too well...
I love this game and i wish there were more people like us who saw that it wasnt just the proto suit that makes these people better than we were... It was strategy, how they set their suits up, gungame... or god forbid awareness...
I had a game yesterday where a guy was yelling in team chat about kill this guy why cant u blue dots kill the guy that dropped next to me... and i definately yelled back telling him "hey he just dropped why didnt u turn and shoot him?" They dont realize the other aspects of the game... Most of them probably dont even understand that uplinks can be hidden and you have to look for them so they thing we are just letting people run around the map and shoot them in the ass
its comical |
Lycuo
Ancient Exiles
112
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Posted - 2013.10.25 17:37:00 -
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low genius wrote:been proto since day one. never used it in a pub. speak for yourself. proto is for pussies.
Ur right its for those of us who earned it... who stuck around and played long enough to get it... its for those who support the growth of the game... who want it to not be another call of duty that takes 2 bullets to kill someone... its for those of us who can sustain the usage of it because we have learned how to play the game well enough to not lose money using it...
the only ones i see saying proto stomping should end that are proto characters are those who cant sustain usage of it without losing money... i actually profit when i use proto whether by myself or in a squad... And for those who hate on proto squads i usually find myself dying more in a proto squad because my tactics go out the window cause i cant kill fast enough (and so do some of my other friends) compared to when im by myself im more cautious and run better routes and play more cautious... just saying |
Mortedeamor
WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL The Ascendancy
538
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Posted - 2013.10.25 18:45:00 -
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Heimdallr69 wrote:Lycuo wrote:This is going to be a thread for those of us who get complaints all the time of running full proto in pub matches...
I want to hear every old members memories of when they first started out and how badly they got protostomped and why it is actually a good thing to do because it drives the committed and good players to become great players...
So we will start out with mine... .....When i first started this game i am a student of the EvE universe so being highly versed in the EvE skilling tree I had no problem managing my way around this skill tree. My character had all the best stats i could give it and I was even good at first person shooters (like CoD and Bf3) having that quick twitch hand muscles making it easy to move target to target and keeping enemies in my sights.
....What i could not figure out for the life of my is why people (back in the day) like toyboi or regynum or protoman could survive facing off versus a whole team when their stats were only slightly higher than mine. At this time i was in On The Brink which in my opinion was not a horrible group but for sure not the best corp out there. Slowly through the help of my OTB friends and studying better gamers i learned how to use this games aiming to my advantage and also how to combine certain elements of my dropsuits that seemed a little outlandish to make a strong, faster, better dropsuit. But this still did not allow me to face off against whole teams. It merely made me able to kill just about anyone 1 on 1 and have a fighting chance against the greats of the time.
.....It wasnt until i randomly one day got to squad with toyboi that i realized the aspect of the game that i was missing that all the greats had. My dropsuit at the time was ofcourse the b-series assault dropsuit. I loved my shields because they were able to recharge fast after i had killed someone. But what i never did was in the middle of a gunfight give them a chance to start recovering before killing my first target, so that when my second target or third or fourth came into the area, I was less weakened then if i had just finished him off right there. This was the missing aspect on how to beast a whole team together... give yourself a second or two to recover because most players in this game run after someone who is damaged rather than licking their wounds and trying to survive another day.
.....The other thing this allowed for was me to be in a better position to finish off these players who chased me around because i was able to use corners to my advantage peaking out and back in when i wanted to not when they wanted me to... This is when i feel like i became someone that wasnt just another pushover and finally could compete.
.....I then went on to get my proto vk.1 suit and fitted it to maximize my survivability to damage ratio and started to earn back my kdr that was soooo damaged from the hard knocks of this game. In using both great strategy and a great suit i was able to push from a 1.34 kdr at 3,500 kills to a 5.46 at 34,000 kills. This is also a way to prove urself and get noticed by the better (or even best) players and make ur way into their corps or alliances like i feel i have recently.
The thing is protostomping is a one sided battle mostly... But in saying that its only a one sided battle for a short period... Eventually the good up and coming players will figure out the strategy to this game and they too will obtain prototype suits with their own tweak on great strategies that can counter you and they too will become a "great" at this game. If we all ran militia to make it even when you start then we would all have a player base like Call of Duty does where 99.9% of the players are casual players who couldnt even tell you what a "route" was and they would be stat boosters for the .1% that was competitive gamers who run routes, push spawns, team cap and it would be pointless.
This game pushes you to better yourself and instead of giving up... figure out what they do that you dont so that you can survive an encounter with them... and maybe with a few friends you can kill them... I promise you killing us once with a standard or militia rifle annoys us but if u get us twice... It will get you noticed and if u get us more than that you will make it onto someones team no matter how few skill points you have.
So lets hear all the other veteran stories of your learning the game while getting protostomped... Never happend..I was in the first build in closed beta I got zitrostomped if that counts? being zitro stomped counts |
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