Do not join D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E.

That is all.

Lol what happened with your alliance?

Just some childish drama, includes Corp hopping, superiority/inferiority complex, a weird leader and an insane Corp member

I called DEFIANCE scrubs and Cenex threw a hissy fit.

Basically it.

I called DEFIANCE scrubs and Cenex threw a hissy fit.

Basically it.

If someone doesn't hate you, you aren't doing your job.

BHD was removed from our alliance for several reasons that are not worth mentioning, if you are interested in an alliance reach out to D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N leadership

If someone doesn't hate you, you aren't doing your job.

BHD were kicked out because they refused to kick me from their corp.

Cenex got mad over something I said, I didn't see the point in what Cenex was saying, so I left to avoid BHD getting kicked (Thought thats what they wanted), the officers and leaders made it clear I wasn't in the wrong and let me back in, then Cenex threw a hissy fit and kicked us.

So, I guess if you want your activity to be monitered on the forums, Cenex to send you threatening messages if you bad mouth his alliance or his corp (Joke or not) and attempt to censor you.

Then sure, DEFIANCE is the alliance for you.

What a shame, I wanted to AWOX Dark Legion in a PC match before it happened.

Here here!! *NoM NoM NoM* *Shakes bucket of popcorn* Can you spare me a few more paltry details, I have a lot more popcorn here

BHD were kicked out because they refused to kick me from their corp.

Cenex got mad over something I said, I didn't see the point in what Cenex was saying, so I left to avoid BHD getting kicked (Thought thats what they wanted), the officers and leaders made it clear I wasn't in the wrong and let me back in, then Cenex threw a hissy fit and kicked us.

So, I guess if you want your activity to be monitered on the forums, Cenex to send you threatening messages if you bad mouth his alliance or his corp (Joke or not) and attempt to censor you.

Then sure, DEFIANCE is the alliance for you.

What a shame, I wanted to AWOX Dark Legion in a PC match before it happened.

I would like to say there is no hate for BHD on my part, or any other members of ours to my understanding. Some times relationships do not work out, this is one such case.

In regards to the particulars, I know you were asked on multiple occasions to be a bit less hostile towards alliance corps members on the forums and choose not to heed our polite requests. It is unfortunate that this matter has affected everyone in your corp, since I really like a lot of you guys and look forward to still playing together in the future.

BHD were kicked out because they refused to kick me from their corp.

Cenex got mad over something I said, I didn't see the point in what Cenex was saying, so I left to avoid BHD getting kicked (Thought thats what they wanted), the officers and leaders made it clear I wasn't in the wrong and let me back in, then Cenex threw a hissy fit and kicked us.

So, I guess if you want your activity to be monitered on the forums, Cenex to send you threatening messages if you bad mouth his alliance or his corp (Joke or not) and attempt to censor you.

Then sure, DEFIANCE is the alliance for you.

What a shame, I wanted to AWOX Dark Legion in a PC match before it happened.

Wait, so the plot thickens, Knight Solaire wasn't joking or being facetious when he was suggesting his alliance sucked? That doesn't sound chivalrous....

I would like to say there is no hate for BHD on my part, or any other members of ours to my understanding. Some times relationships do not work out, this is one such case.

In regards to the particulars, I know you were asked on multiple occasions to be a bit less hostile towards alliance corps members on the forums and choose not to heed our polite requests. It is unfortunate that this matter has affected everyone in your corp, since I really like a lot of you guys and look forward to still playing together in the future.

You were asked to stop trashing the the alliance that you are part of on the public forums. You were warned that this would reflect badly on your corporation. You kept this attitude up.

For example:
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1128715#post1128715
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1118483#post1118483
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1097206#post1097206
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1089458#post1089458
etc...

You left Better Hide R Die as we requested, but then you rejoined and a day later you posted again. Your post was another negative comment about your alliance. We warned you not to do this. You did it anyways. Now, as we previously threatened, your entire corporation has been punished for your actions.

I'm sure the rest of you want to see proof, here it is...

Employment History:
http://i.imgur.com/M2Njv42.png

Continued Trash Talk:
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1140455#post1140455

D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E is a unified group. Every member in every corporation in the alliance is working together to get better in and out of PC. We also are to represent each other in a positive way. You have failed to meet these very basic requirements. I highly doubt any other corporation will take you into their corporation or any other alliance will take your current corporation with you in there because you fail to respect the group you are a part of.

This is dumb. I've called out Mavado, Nikia, and a host of other people in leadership positions, even my own CEO for actions or words I didn't see eye to eye on, good god if cubs kicked people for **** like this we'd have 5 people left. I even called out Radar earlier today for suggesting underhanded tactics wins battles, and he's a CEO, I'm a no name scrub. We respect each other and that's that.

I looked at the posts, BHD were fools to even consider sacrificing one of their corp members because of the butthurt of an alliance member who needs to grow a pair and learn not to take offense. Anger builds nothing but destroys everything, and this is a pathetic case in point.

This is dumb. I've called out Mavado, Nikia, and a host of other people in leadership positions, even my own CEO for actions or words I didn't see eye to eye on, good god if cubs kicked people for **** like this we'd have 5 people left. I even called out Radar earlier today for suggesting underhanded tactics wins battles, and he's a CEO, I'm a no name scrub. We respect each other and that's that.

I looked at the posts, BHD were fools to even consider sacrificing one of their corp members because of the butthurt of an alliance member who needs to grow a pair and learn not to take offense. Anger builds nothing but destroys everything, and this is a pathetic case in point.

BHD were kicked out because they refused to kick me from their corp.

Cenex got mad over something I said, I didn't see the point in what Cenex was saying, so I left to avoid BHD getting kicked (Thought thats what they wanted), the officers and leaders made it clear I wasn't in the wrong and let me back in, then Cenex threw a hissy fit and kicked us.

So, I guess if you want your activity to be monitered on the forums, Cenex to send you threatening messages if you bad mouth his alliance or his corp (Joke or not) and attempt to censor you.

Then sure, DEFIANCE is the alliance for you.

What a shame, I wanted to AWOX Dark Legion in a PC match before it happened.

you forgot the part about how your corp did literally nothing to help the alliance, while every other corp in the alliance assists in the war effort and have competent leadership that communicates regularly. counting your string of negativity in the many forum posts its was a ball of reasons you were removed from the alliance

I would like to say there is no hate for BHD on my part, or any other members of ours to my understanding. Some times relationships do not work out, this is one such case.

In regards to the particulars, I know you were asked on multiple occasions to be a bit less hostile towards alliance corps members on the forums and choose not to heed our polite requests. It is unfortunate that this matter has affected everyone in your corp, since I really like a lot of you guys and look forward to still playing together in the future.

If they want me to praise them, they should've named themselves S.U.N L.E.G.I.O.N, I cant go around praising something thats DARK!

To be honest Ares no one from the alliance ever attempted to directly contact the leadership of BHD over this that I am aware of. I'm listed as the CEO in game and am known to be the leader of BHD since its inception over 7 years ago. Not one member of my leadership structure was ever directly contacted about any particular issue with one of our members. Nor has any other issue with our standing in the alliance prior to this been brought into question.

A truly casual gamer, like a casual corp, is supposed to be able to take a little internal and external razzing...hell Knight razzes me all the time, sometimes its even serious if he doesn't agree with me. I'm an adult, I can handle it.

Here is the only communication from the alliance to KnightSolitare that I was made aware of. As I said no officer was directly contacted. It is from Horner Langely.



First off, I've been in positions of leadership my whole life both in the virtual world and in the real world. The way this message reads and was sent, to me, screams disrespect. Upon reading how some online person who is not part of BHD tried to censor one of our members I took offense. Upon reading his post in this thread I see my initial impression of this Langly individual was spot on. Want to test a man's character, give him power.......

Moving on. This message was shared with me after Knight decided to leave the corp on his own. When I read this and he told me that he left I asked him to come back. The stuff in those posts was child's play, a little fun banter at best and a little poking at some of the harsh realities of life in dust for the Defiance alliance at worst.

I can't talk, our corp has won only one round of a PC battle and not a whole PC battle so not tossing stones, just telling the reality and to be honest that reality never did bother me. I was more than happy to be in the alliance and happy to send our members to help out in alliance battles if and when they could do so.

See you around, shoot ya later maybe!



EDIT: Knight, nice response to the guy about how we are a casual clan that joined a casual alliance. Post #27 is spot on in that regard.

I think it's appropriate for me to step up and say this has been handled poorly on our part. On behalf of us all I apologize for the way this was handled and can only say we are striving to do better. Arguments aside about who said what or did what I recognize a number of failings on our part. My sincerest apologizes for this whole unfortunate business ...

I think it's appropriate for me to step up and say this has been handled poorly on our part. On behalf of us all I apologize for the way this was handled and can only say we are striving to do better. Arguments aside about who said what or did what I recognize a number of failings on our part. My sincerest apologizes for this whole unfortunate business ...

Trashing your own alliance...I can understand DEFIANCE's decison.

W.H.A.T.'.S G.O.I.N.G O.N H.E.R.E G.U.Y.S.?

I think it's appropriate for me to step up and say this has been handled poorly on our part. On behalf of us all I apologize for the way this was handled and can only say we are striving to do better. Arguments aside about who said what or did what I recognize a number of failings on our part. My sincerest apologizes for this whole unfortunate business ...

Overboard? This is hardly overboard.

They kicked us out before I could officially go 'Over the board'.

AWOXing them would've been a more fun end to all this, and the mail I would've gotten.

It would've be..... it would've been glorious

If they want me to praise them, they should've named themselves S.U.N L.E.G.I.O.N, I cant go around praising something thats DARK!

You mean D.A.R.K ?

and it's called A.W.O.X