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Zatara Rought
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Posted - 2013.08.06 07:10:00 -
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Ares 514 wrote:
I think it's appropriate for me to step up and say this has been handled poorly on our part. On behalf of us all I apologize for the way this was handled and can only say we are striving to do better. Arguments aside about who said what or did what I recognize a number of failings on our part. My sincerest apologizes for this whole unfortunate business ...
Welp, I can only say that I have quite a bit of respect for you apologizing here. It takes an uncommon amount of humility. +1
My popcorn has unfortunately run out, but if this issue is resolved and BHD finds it in their hearts to forgive the follies of their former allies and reunite in casual funsies please allow me 5 minutes preparation, as any happy ending would need it's own *NoN NoM non popcorn treat* because my bucket will be collecting my own tears of happiness at a fantastic ending to this wonderful drama.
We're all watching.  |
Quill Killian
Better Hide R Die
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Posted - 2013.08.06 08:18:00 -
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Ares 514 wrote:Pilgrim Plymco wrote:Ares 514 wrote:
I would like to say there is no hate for BHD on my part, or any other members of ours to my understanding. Some times relationships do not work out, this is one such case.
In regards to the particulars, I know you were asked on multiple occasions to be a bit less hostile towards alliance corps members on the forums and choose not to heed our polite requests. It is unfortunate that this matter has affected everyone in your corp, since I really like a lot of you guys and look forward to still playing together in the future.
To be honest Ares no one from the alliance ever attempted to directly contact the leadership of BHD over this that I am aware of. I'm listed as the CEO in game and am known to be the leader of BHD since its inception over 7 years ago. Not one member of my leadership structure was ever directly contacted about any particular issue with one of our members. Nor has any other issue with our standing in the alliance prior to this been brought into question. A truly casual gamer, like a casual corp, is supposed to be able to take a little internal and external razzing...hell Knight razzes me all the time, sometimes its even serious if he doesn't agree with me. I'm an adult, I can handle it. Here is the only communication from the alliance to KnightSolitare that I was made aware of. As I said no officer was directly contacted. It is from Horner Langely. Quote:"Hi
I want to give you a very brisk warning so you know what's going on. Keep this in mind, I haven't went to your leadership yet because I aim to address the issue here and now with just you.
On the main dust forums, you continually undermine our corporation, our alliance and our members. Being a part of our alliance you should back the people in it. If what they say is not in you liking, then say nothing at all, the community will tear them up for what they say. But being torn apart by an alliance member should never be done and we will never condone it.
I have been watching everything you post (these are most recent):
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1128543#post1128543
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1127971#post1127971
Your only options at this point are to stop treating our alliance, and our members, like they are beneath you. Or, you will risk the high probability of your entire corp being removed from the alliance as leverage for kicking you out of their corporation (Which I understand wont be such a problem cconsidering your recent employment history).
Consider these words carefully, though they may seem like an empty threat, I consider them a fair warning and slap on the wrist. If you value your position in our alliance that we've worked so hard for, then you will mind your words on the forums.
Horner Langly
Management" First off, I've been in positions of leadership my whole life both in the virtual world and in the real world. The way this message reads and was sent, to me, screams disrespect. Upon reading how some online person who is not part of BHD tried to censor one of our members I took offense. Upon reading his post in this thread I see my initial impression of this Langly individual was spot on. Want to test a man's character, give him power....... Moving on. This message was shared with me after Knight decided to leave the corp on his own. When I read this and he told me that he left I asked him to come back. The stuff in those posts was child's play, a little fun banter at best and a little poking at some of the harsh realities of life in dust for the Defiance alliance at worst. I can't talk, our corp has won only one round of a PC battle and not a whole PC battle so not tossing stones, just telling the reality and to be honest that reality never did bother me. I was more than happy to be in the alliance and happy to send our members to help out in alliance battles if and when they could do so. See you around, shoot ya later maybe! EDIT: Knight, nice response to the guy about how we are a casual clan that joined a casual alliance. Post #27 is spot on in that regard. I think it's appropriate for me to step up and say this has been handled poorly on our part. On behalf of us all I apologize for the way this was handled and can only say we are striving to do better. Arguments aside about who said what or did what I recognize a number of failings on our part. My sincerest apologizes for this whole unfortunate business ...
Speaking at this time only for myself, I accept the apology you offer, Ares. And, as the poster above me truthfully states, it takes an adult to apologize in a public manner, and you did that. It means a lot to me as a member, officer and director in BHD, and I'm sure it will affect others in BHD in a similar manner.
It must also be said that, in the wee hours of this morning (Tuesday), I ran with a mixed squad of BHD and rank-and-file Dark Legion members. We had a great time together, too, and led the leaderboards in many of the after-game reports.
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Ydubbs81 RND
Ahrendee Mercenaries
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Posted - 2013.08.06 13:07:00 -
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Thrashing your own alliance...I don't blame DEFIANCE for kicking you out. |
RuckingFetard
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Posted - 2013.08.06 14:18:00 -
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Ydubbs81 RND wrote:Trashing your own alliance...I can understand DEFIANCE's decison.
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Crusty Fat Bastard
IQQ all day
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Posted - 2013.08.06 14:25:00 -
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sometimes it's just better to get rid of the people who cause loads of crap, in the end it's just not worth the hassle |
dustwaffle
Gravity Prone
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Posted - 2013.08.06 16:25:00 -
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W.H.A.T.'.S G.O.I.N.G O.N H.E.R.E G.U.Y.S.? |
Knight Soiaire
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Posted - 2013.08.06 16:37:00 -
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dustwaffle wrote:W.H.A.T.'.S G.O.I.N.G O.N H.E.R.E G.U.Y.S.?
I've been trying to find out what D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E means.
But apparently Cenex finds it insulting.  |
Pilgrim Plymco
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Posted - 2013.08.06 17:25:00 -
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Ares 514 wrote:
I think it's appropriate for me to step up and say this has been handled poorly on our part. On behalf of us all I apologize for the way this was handled and can only say we are striving to do better. Arguments aside about who said what or did what I recognize a number of failings on our part. My sincerest apologizes for this whole unfortunate business ...
Apology completely accepted.
If you would like a chance to "do better", have us re-join, and see how things go from there I have an open mind about it. Just let me know (here, via PM on the PSN to PLYMCO_PILGRIM, or on our corp's home bhdclan.enjin.com).
Before deciding know that even though I read Knights posts that were linked along with many that weren't, and do see him being a bit more "razzing" than I personally would like to see, I'm not willing to have my member's censor their opinions. I also see that he has gone a bit overboard on a few things since we were removed from the Alliance, its been noticed, and its not serving any real purpose at this point other than to express his dislike of what went down and how it went down.
With that being said, being open and honest with leadership is something I encourage within my corp. This is one aspect of the BHD crew that makes us strong, people are allowed to state their opinion even if it runs 100% counter to where the leadership is at. On a few occasions one of my members doing this actually saved us from making bad choices as leaders and I value their honest input on things and won't jeopardize that aspect of our crew.
So there it is. I'll leave it up to you how things move forward. If you have any other questions about where I stand ask me here or in the other 2 places I mentioned earlier.
Pilgrim
EDIT: A great example of night just being a bit agitated at the way it all went down is the post right above this one ;). |
Knight Soiaire
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Posted - 2013.08.06 18:35:00 -
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Overboard? This is hardly overboard.
They kicked us out before I could officially go 'Over the board'.
AWOXing them would've been a more fun end to all this, and the mail I would've gotten.
It would've be..... it would've been glorious  |
Pilgrim Plymco
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Posted - 2013.08.07 16:24:00 -
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Knight Soiaire wrote:Overboard? This is hardly overboard. They kicked us out before I could officially go 'Over the board'. AWOXing them would've been a more fun end to all this, and the mail I would've gotten. It would've be..... it would've been glorious
OMG You said something that didn't agree with me, you're out of the clan and so is everyone you ever gamed with!
^ Sarcasm for those that it wasn't obvious for. The way I just responded to Knight is how this Langley character's behavior comes across to me. |
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Aardicus
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
10
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Posted - 2013.08.07 23:12:00 -
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Knight Soiaire wrote:Zatara Rought wrote:Ares 514 wrote:Knight Soiaire wrote:NoxMort3m wrote:BHD was removed from our alliance for several reasons that are not worth mentioning, if you are interested in an alliance reach out to D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N leadership BHD were kicked out because they refused to kick me from their corp. Cenex got mad over something I said, I didn't see the point in what Cenex was saying, so I left to avoid BHD getting kicked (Thought thats what they wanted), the officers and leaders made it clear I wasn't in the wrong and let me back in, then Cenex threw a hissy fit and kicked us. So, I guess if you want your activity to be monitered on the forums, Cenex to send you threatening messages if you bad mouth his alliance or his corp (Joke or not) and attempt to censor you. Then sure, DEFIANCE is the alliance for you. What a shame, I wanted to AWOX Dark Legion in a PC match before it happened. I would like to say there is no hate for BHD on my part, or any other members of ours to my understanding. Some times relationships do not work out, this is one such case. In regards to the particulars, I know you were asked on multiple occasions to be a bit less hostile towards alliance corps members on the forums and choose not to heed our polite requests. It is unfortunate that this matter has affected everyone in your corp, since I really like a lot of you guys and look forward to still playing together in the future. Wait, so the plot thickens, Knight Solaire wasn't joking or being facetious when he was suggesting his alliance sucked? That doesn't sound chivalrous.... If they want me to praise them, they should've named themselves S.U.N L.E.G.I.O.N, I cant go around praising something thats DARK!
You mean D.A.R.K ?
and it's called A.W.O.X  |
Knight Soiaire
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Posted - 2013.08.15 12:36:00 -
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Aardicus wrote:You mean D.A.R.K ? and it's called A.W.O.X
At least someone in your corp knows how to take a joke.
Cant believe Langly hasn't kicked you out for not siding with him yet.
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