They kill almost as much as 11 of the available 14 weapons in the game, combined.
I think there's more to it than blueprints and lack of exploration.

Trust me, there isn't.
It's easy to use, but that's about it.
It's not spectacular at anything.

No, I think I'll still be pointing out that killing the diversity of the game is actually a problem.

The players are killing the diversity, nothing else.
It's the eaiest to use, people will stop using it only if it was nerfed to uselessness.
Also, the assault scrambler rifle is the same and yet it's less used, to make people move there you will have to make the assault rifle worse.

The players are killing the diversity, nothing else.
It's the eaiest to use, people will stop using it only if it was nerfed to uselessness.
Also, the assault scrambler rifle is the same and yet it's less used, to make people move there you will have to make the assault rifle worse.

I think one of the reasons you don't see as many AScR is the fact that they appear so deep into the skill. Level I, occasionally II unlocks all variants for most everything, where it takes level IV to get the assault scrambler. In fact, the only reason I knew of its existence, was hearing the weapon fire and not knowing what it was, then attempting to get killed specifically by that player so I could see what he was using.

If they were available sooner, There'd probably be more of them around.

The weapons in this game should be balanced to the point that no matter what you decide to use, you'll find a way to have fun with it. The AR can be that entry level weapon, but when all the racial types come out, there needs to be some serious re-balancing or we're just going to be back here again saying the Plasma Carbine, Plasma Blaster, or whatever the hell CCP is going to call it is still overpowered compared to all the other racial weapons.
I'm fine with full auto rifles being the entry level weapon, every game needs an entry level game mechanic, but it needs to have some downsides.

I think they got it backwards and should have made the AScR available at lvl 1 and the ScR at 2 or 3.

The standard AR has too large a magazine, is too accurate, caries too much ammo overall, and has too short a TTK to properly fill it's role as a generalist weapon. It is simply out shining too many weapons, and where niche weapons are actually better, there not better by a large enough amount.

The standard assault rifle variant is okayish, in my opinion. However, the clip size is too generous, and the recoil doesnGÇÖt work very well - I think that the recoil is laughable.
All the recoil and kick disappears the moment you stop holding down the trigger, so thereGÇÖs hardly any recoil if you burst it even occasionally. The recoil doesnGÇÖt do much even if you do hold down the trigger too much.


This leads to the weapon being too accurate. I think the recoil should be increased quite significantly, and the mechanic tweaked so that the effect doesnGÇÖt reset if you let go of the trigger for an instant.
Also, the clip size should be reduced a bit. 60 rounds is unnecessary and leads to far too much spraying 'and praying'.




The burst assault rifle is lacklustre. The sights on it zoom in a bit too much, and the green scope is quite restrictive. The currently poor hit detection means that the burst fire mode also feels quite restrictive. The burst comes out quite slowly, meaning that if youGÇÖre on target for the first shot the next couple of shots might well miss if the target is strafing.
The delay between bursts means that despite the higher base fire rate, because of the lower per bullet damage this variant tends to pull less dps than the automatic variant. Hit detection also affects this weapon significantly, as in CQC itGÇÖs harder to land a shot than with other weapons. The ammunition of this weapon is used up very quickly due to the higher fire rate and lower damage nature of the weapon.


To fix this, I would suggest changing the fire rate so that the GÇÿburstGÇÖ comes out very quickly, all at once, and having a momentGÇÖs delay between bursts. This is actually very similar to the state of the prototype variant right now - a flat fire rate between levels and only ramping up the damage would work better for this weapon. This would make the weapon more about landing a solid burst, and give it a more defined role than it has now. I would also suggest a change in the sights, as the high zoom sight isnGÇÖt great for the shorter range combat this rifle tends to find itself in. A slight buff to damage would also bring the damage output of this weapon up to par - alternatively, a marginal range increase would help this weapon a bit. A small increase to ammunition reserves would be worth considering as well.



The breach assault rifle isnGÇÖt in a very good place. A long time ago this weapon was king, but the nerfbat was swung too hard and itGÇÖs never really recovered.
The damage buff in Uprising was a welcome change, and it has helped the breach quite a bit. However, this weapon suffers from the lower rate of fire - while fixing hit detection will likely help this a bit, with two similar dps weapons itGÇÖs better to go for the one with higher fire rate because youGÇÖre likely to land more of your damage output on the target. The damage output of the breach is actually lower than the automatic variantGÇÖs.


The breach has less damage and range than the automatic AR.
LetGÇÖs compare the standard breach and the standard automatic.
ItGÇÖs 34.1 HP at 750 RPM vs 51.0 HP at 400 RPM.
ThatGÇÖs 426.25 dps vs 340 dps - showing that the breach has quite a bit less dps than the automatic.


Overall, the breach assault rifle has lower dps than the AR, lower fire rate, and, crucially, lower range. The lower range is something that the breach really suffers from, and with no trade-off worth the range reduction this rifle is consigned to the GÇÿuseless weaponsGÇÖ pile.


To fix this, a number of things need to be done. I think keeping it as a CQC weapon is a good thing, and it carves out its own role as a variant.


This weapon needs to reward accuracy in CQC - I believe that was the original intention. Because of this, I suggest tweaking this and going with a higher fire rate. The TAR already fills the job of high damage low fire rate at range, so range canGÇÖt simply be buffed. It shouldnGÇÖt be too much of an increase, so the weapon can still reward accuracy in CQC, but if you increased the fire rate a bit more whilst leaving the damage the same youGÇÖd get a more powerful weapon at short range, which is fairer than the current state of the weapon..


If you went with a fire rate of 588.2 rpm, youGÇÖd end up with 75 more dps than the standard assault rifle, which is a fair trade for the range, and with a lower fire rate itGÇÖs a little more rewarding for accuracy.

That simple fix would do wonders for the breach AR - the range doesnGÇÖt necessarily need to be increased much, as long as itGÇÖs notably more effective in CQC than the other variants of the AR are.
This would suit the short range high damage philosophy of Gallente tech more.


The Tactical Assault Rifle was previously unquestionably overpowered. It was, luckily, nerfed.


I think this nerf has mostly worked. This is no longer a weapon which can wreck any suit in an instant. It remains very strong at range, but this is working as intending, and itGÇÖs weaker at CQC now. Perhaps itGÇÖs still quite accurate with hipfire, but I donGÇÖt think this is enough to warrant a tweak. The main reason that people use it right now is for its range - This is a good thing,as it fulfils its intended role, although ranges in general across all weapons could be a bit higher.

I agree with the size of the magazine and the accuracy (in that there isn't enough recoil) but I don't agree with the TTK. The damage output would be fine if you couldn't maintain it for ages and if it wasn't all applied due to the accuracy.

Here's another little compilation of player feedback on the AR

The players are killing the diversity, nothing else.
It's the eaiest to use, people will stop using it only if it was nerfed to uselessness.
Also, the assault scrambler rifle is the same and yet it's less used, to make people move there you will have to make the assault rifle worse.

Clip size is fine, shots are bound to miss and this is a strafing game, not a twitch shooter.

As a Scout, I have an easier time dodging SCR fire than AR fire. Probably due to the scope as RoF seems to be neglibible in this comparison.
SCR has an overheat mechanic
SCR gives away it's owner's position when fired to a greater degree, (bright beams of light)
Built-in Scope makes it slightly tougher to use in all situations

So, while it's not a perfect balance, it's still better balanced than auto AR's. Auto AR's still rule the day as it has none of the above downsides in comparison.

It is also not due to exposure and what someone has already skilled into. I can own with a militia fit using the frontline with 0 sp invested. Moreso than I can with a SG with level 5 on everything but ammo capacity, even in CQC.
Thats just the basic (since tradeoff should be SG is better at CQC, it's really not consistently better even with an SP variance of a coupla million).
Also, what about end game? Proto Duvolle is meta level 9, Proto SG is meta 7. This is accurate as the Shotgun costs more in both fitting requirements and isk, (even with skills into SG), but has less stats in every single category.

Try killing 3 people with an SG without reloading. Even if you score every single hit, (and you wont), you cannot do it. Try the same thing with the AR, I bet you do it once a game. This is even without the requirement of scoring each hit, which is actually easier to do with the damn AR, although I blame that on the lack of SG love.

Sigh...
ASSAULT SCR!
ASSAULT!
THERE IS A HUGE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO! -_-

I agree with most the OP posted .

Except:
on PLASMA CANNONS:
''1. An increase in direct damage so that it actually performs its AV role.''

Im okay with all the other buffs requested by the op, but the damage should stay the same.
If you increase the damage of the Plasma cannon, you nerf the forge gun.
The forgegun damage is a mere 1320 (or so) at standard level only 300 more than a plasma cannon at the cost of having to use the slowest piece of **** suit in the game.
Sure , plasmas should fire faster rounds , with more splash damage and have faster reload speed. I do agree on that.
But the damage should be reserved for the ones that sacrifice speed to get it.

On SMG's:
''2.The assault and normal variants of this weapon donGÇÖt really have any differences, apart from ones which make the assault variant marginally superior.''

I use Proto SMG's as main weapon ever since the Shotgun became unusable for me.
I will tell you whats the difference between ISHI Assault SMG and Six Kin SMG. About 20000+K.
And the difference on preformance is nearly NONE. So i obviously stayed with Six Kin SMG.
The assault variant need or either some kind of buff ( a nice Range buff would be nice) or either a price drop.

I do agree to that Breach SMG is a piece of ****.

Thats all. Great post overall.