I'm not as familiar with the ASCR, so I wouldn't want to make recommendations to that weapon without more knowledge.

Maybe the clip size shouldn't be changed, but the AR does, compared to the other weapons that I know well, carry more lethality in the magazine, and more lethality overall.

Maybe it's be fine with just a reduction of damage per shot and an increase in dispersion.


Personally, I think it shoots too far for a blaster weapon as well.

With respect, adding more rifles isn't going to make the current AR any less OP vs the weapons that exist now.

CCP has been nerfing other weapons left and right to balance them vs the current crop of weapons. I see no reason why the AR should be immune, especially given the glaring issues.

The standard AR is far from UP. They are being used to kill at 10 times the rate of scrambler rifles.

It is about the same in every stat as the assault rifle but the recoi is to high you have to burst fire which doesn't allow you to get the full potential of the dps as the ar. If the recoil was reduced it will even be more powerfull cause everybody uses shield.

It says volumes. There's a reason that they're most used, and it's name is OP.

They kill almost as much as 11 of the available 14 weapons in the game, combined.
I think there's more to it than blueprints and lack of exploration.

No, I think I'll still be pointing out that killing the diversity of the game is actually a problem.

The weapons in this game should be balanced to the point that no matter what you decide to use, you'll find a way to have fun with it. The AR can be that entry level weapon, but when all the racial types come out, there needs to be some serious re-balancing or we're just going to be back here again saying the Plasma Carbine, Plasma Blaster, or whatever the hell CCP is going to call it is still overpowered compared to all the other racial weapons.
I'm fine with full auto rifles being the entry level weapon, every game needs an entry level game mechanic, but it needs to have some downsides.

I think they got it backwards and should have made the AScR available at lvl 1 and the ScR at 2 or 3.

I agree with the size of the magazine and the accuracy (in that there isn't enough recoil) but I don't agree with the TTK. The damage output would be fine if you couldn't maintain it for ages and if it wasn't all applied due to the accuracy.

As a Scout, I have an easier time dodging SCR fire than AR fire. Probably due to the scope as RoF seems to be neglibible in this comparison.
SCR has an overheat mechanic
SCR gives away it's owner's position when fired to a greater degree, (bright beams of light)
Built-in Scope makes it slightly tougher to use in all situations

So, while it's not a perfect balance, it's still better balanced than auto AR's. Auto AR's still rule the day as it has none of the above downsides in comparison.

It is also not due to exposure and what someone has already skilled into. I can own with a militia fit using the frontline with 0 sp invested. Moreso than I can with a SG with level 5 on everything but ammo capacity, even in CQC.
Thats just the basic (since tradeoff should be SG is better at CQC, it's really not consistently better even with an SP variance of a coupla million).
Also, what about end game? Proto Duvolle is meta level 9, Proto SG is meta 7. This is accurate as the Shotgun costs more in both fitting requirements and isk, (even with skills into SG), but has less stats in every single category.

Try killing 3 people with an SG without reloading. Even if you score every single hit, (and you wont), you cannot do it. Try the same thing with the AR, I bet you do it once a game. This is even without the requirement of scoring each hit, which is actually easier to do with the damn AR, although I blame that on the lack of SG love.