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pegasis prime
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Posted - 2013.08.04 13:48:00 -
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Firstly id like to state that this is not a cry baby thread nor is it a nerf tanks thread but ccp has made a terrible error by nit fixing the armour rep bug . I will go through each reason and present it with a counter as well as making my point. I shall also use examples from my own experience fielding both shield and armour tanks.
The reasons for why this is a mistake are listed bellow.
1) not fixing this bug makes armour tanks amost invincible . I will give both examples of faceing off with armour tanks and fielding them below.
Face off . 2 days ago I was lucky enough to be pitted against 3 maddys in one game (they were called in half way through) I was running my falchion fit with an ehp of aprox 9k shield and a heavy booster as well as proto accelerated turrets. Onec I had noticed that the maddys were on the ground I started to retreat and move into a defensive possition as my squad started swaping out to av (mostly adv) it was obvious that the tank were after me ad they made a bee libe for me. Now remember this is 3 maddys and when I aimed in they were all between 5k to 6k armour not sure about their ehp as we dont get that reading. Now as they charged me both myself and my squad haild tgem with missiles and swarms alike all 3 maddys were striped down to near enough 0 armour when all were able to then just rep right through even when we consentrated fire on one maddy . Needless to say even with myself in retreat and with near enoug pin point hits every volly from both my squad and my self all 3 survived and honestly you should have swen how epic the fight was but their win didnt come from skill it came from zerg tactics and a broken rep system if the reps acctually did what the description said then none of them would have survived.
Now ill give you an experience that involved my maddy and what appears to be a verry weak fit on paper but is nigh near invinsible. I joind a skirm half way throug and my team only had 2 of the 5 points. When I spawn in I watched the kill feed and 3 gunlogis poped up 2 with 80gj scatterd and one with a 80gj particle cannon . So I called I my mady with the compressed particle cannon an acctive heat sync and scanner in the highs on the lows I have 3 efficient armour reps (light) 180 steel plate and an ntype armour hardner . I only have a base resistance of 10 in this fit but it really work. Now when I called in the maddy I immediately went south of of the complex towards the raill tank he seen me first and got my shields so whiped on the reps and hardner I spotted him after his second shot and just steam rolld towards him acctivated my coolant pupm and done him in 4 shotts all this time he was still hitting me. He got maby 5 or 6 direct consecutive hits on me and I jjust shrugged it of. After I was done with him I turned my attention to the other 2 and acctivated o e repper to get me back to full armour . I circled the compound once to let my shields come up a bit then went in for the kill ad I rushed in I acctuvated my reps and hardners and just steamed towards them first I popped the one behind tge one at the front gate then acctivated my coolant pump and melted the other one . All this whilst unfer constant fire from both gunlogis and 2 malitia swarmers . Yet again I was able to just shrug it all off and retreat to the rear line round echo. After I repped up I just used myself as a mobile shield for my team to breech tge compuound . We managed to turn the game round so onece inside the compound someone on team announced 2 more rail gunlogis an I thought oh yea . So I just sat myself like a big fat prize at the front gait and waited I spotted one moving south and one moving north so I backed up back in to the comoound and waited as soon as I saw one of them enter I whioed on my invincibility mods and just pounded bothof tgem despite their well coordinated team effort to bring me down . They tryed one more time to pound me but with 3 gunlogi rails and pretty much surrounded me but I was able to pop every obe of them and stull survive be it just above the bleed point I should not have survived any of those encounters . If the reps acctually did what they say then I wouldent have.
2) its a bug plain and simple . Bugs should ve fixed . Now iv heard many folks say if you fix it they will quit because it will make their tank as inviable as shields . I say ha they are just really bad tankers in disguise because they have an exploitable bug that they dont want fixed becaus it will put them on par witg shield tankers and take away the win button.if they had to run shield most of them woukd probably rage quit and unfortunatly ccp listens to these folks. Now befor you take my side or not jyst count for one day the ratio between shield and armour tanks fielded I have found it to be 5 armour to every one shield tank I see . This shoukd be enough for ccp to see that simthing isnt right. Now what I propose is either ccp acctually fix the armour rep bug or break the shield one to the same extent of tge armour rep bug .
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pegasis prime
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Posted - 2013.08.04 14:06:00 -
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The Attorney General wrote:The story of you versus three Shield tanks shows that if they had had an armor tank of their own, it would have gone very differently. Further, if three shield tanks firing at you didn't make you go pop, it wasn't your reps that saved you, but their horrid aim or fitting of standard cannons and bad aim.
I have both shield and armor tanks and enforcers, and they all have specific roles in my eyes, with the Maddys being better overall right now because of the reps. Calling them invincible is not accurate, as there are several methods for popping armor tanks, quite easily I might add. The issue currently for shield tankers is that shield tanks are not the counter for armor tanks, AV is, which makes shield tankers quite uncomfortable.
If a full squad and a missile Falchion are shooting at a single Maddy, it goes pop, everytime. So either your story is wrong, or you are spinning it to try and make a point, which is not respectable.
Go home your drunk Im just telling as. So take it or leave it. Im not spinning anything as I dont need to. |
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Posted - 2013.08.04 20:11:00 -
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daishi mk03 wrote:lol, three gunnlogi shooting at you and you don't die - sounds like a dream
armor is fine, we take massive damage but can rep up, actually, overrep
it's fine
in reality you drop from 100 to 0 in 2 shots from each of them
No lols for the 3 pilots I smashed . Yes their turrets might not have been all proto but it shouldebt take proto turrets to tackle a maddy . |
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Posted - 2013.08.04 21:22:00 -
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Void Echo wrote:instead of trying to get armor tanks down to your level my making their repers non existent, why not try to make shield boosters on the same level as armor reps, that way shield tanks are finally viewed as a viable tank choice as well...
Im skilled into both armor and shield tanks, id prefer it if shield reppers were on the same level as armor is, then I would possibly be bringing out both
Sigh iv been campaining for a shield buff but the non contact from ccp has driven me to standerds of the ar514 crown and am just coing to call for a nerf as it seems to be the only way to get ccps attention.
(I dont want armour nerfed but shields fixed. ) |
pegasis prime
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Posted - 2013.08.04 21:39:00 -
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Void Echo wrote:pegasis prime wrote:Void Echo wrote:instead of trying to get armor tanks down to your level my making their repers non existent, why not try to make shield boosters on the same level as armor reps, that way shield tanks are finally viewed as a viable tank choice as well...
Im skilled into both armor and shield tanks, id prefer it if shield reppers were on the same level as armor is, then I would possibly be bringing out both Sigh iv been campaining for a shield buff but the non contact from ccp has driven me to standerds of the ar514 crown and am just coing to call for a nerf as it seems to be the only way to get ccps attention. (I dont want armour nerfed but shields fixed. ) not what your saying in this thread, il also point out that the reps have been doing this since the beginning of closed beta yet nobody has ever complained abut it till now
Look at the 2 options I proposed 1 was to"fix "armour inline with dhields or break shields to the point where they are in line with armour.
Hell thus thread is just me venting my frustration at all the fotm maddy pilots who hav an invinsibility button . It shoukdent take a maddy to counter a maddy. |
pegasis prime
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Posted - 2013.08.04 21:42:00 -
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daishi mk03 wrote:Kein-Engel wrote:pegasis prime wrote:daishi mk03 wrote:lol, three gunnlogi shooting at you and you don't die - sounds like a dream
armor is fine, we take massive damage but can rep up, actually, overrep
it's fine
in reality you drop from 100 to 0 in 2 shots from each of them No lols for the 3 pilots I smashed . Yes their turrets might not have been all proto but it shouldebt take proto turrets to tackle a maddy . Should mention that railguns get a bonus to shields and a negative bonus to armor. Should mention that gunnlogi usually fit damage mods and three of them shooting at something kills it. He said he was surrounded and they were shooting at him, no way he would survive this.
After the pg nerf only glass cannons fit dammage modds and most shield tankers wont fit them because it will mess with our tanking capabilities.
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pegasis prime
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Posted - 2013.08.04 21:44:00 -
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RAGING GIGGLES wrote:Yes, buff the shield booster reps on shield boosters, or increase shield recharge numbers exponentially, this would balance the tank vs. tank choice disparity. Give the armor tanks 5-10 % more innate damage resistance to compensate for the fact that practically everything but scrambler rifles get a damage bonus against them. Do that, and you have Balanced HAV's, there you go CCP, you now owe me 200,000,000 isk for my usual common sense consulting fee, Ty.
Hell when im back at the ps ill send you some isk and you deserve it simply because of how uncommen commen sense is. |
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Posted - 2013.08.05 17:01:00 -
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Dude if you have ever seen any of my otger tgreads then you woukd know to take my statement about fixing nit nerfing armour tanks witg a bit of toung in cheek. I dont want tanks nerfed far from it. Also if you read anyvof my reolies you would know this thread was me venting my frustration for tge lack of love shield tanks have recieved. We have been nerfed far worde than the armour tanks as it was the dammage output of shield tanks that keot us on par but after the pg nerf we really suffered I dont really like runing my maddy but will if I come across a good well fitted maddy as it is tge best tank for tank v tank but this was not always the case. |
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Posted - 2013.08.05 23:37:00 -
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Sgt Buttscratch wrote:Armor tanks live on those reps, if they worked as stated, all you'd ever see is rail tanks. The need is actually shield tanks with a buff.
If your story is correct, I have had similar situations, the opposition had poor co-ordination and poor tanking skills, 3 rail Gunloggi's should be able to set-up and out damage your reps. One by one, they'll have a problem unless they have good drivers/crews.
Two of them were obviously working in sync but I was able to pop through their shields whilst repping and was able to tank the dammage from the two of them whilst I destroid them. The third came in like a hero and melted within seconds. I should nit have been abke to survive the two gunlogis pounding me regardless the levle of their rails. If they had better shield boosters then I woukd have stood no chance and that woukd have been fair. I just say look at the ratio of maddys against gunlogis and youll see it. Only good tankers make shield tanking viabke but almost anyone can jumo into a instawin maddy and barge into most situations with little acctual pikoting skill. It takes a very skilld piolt to run shield tanks effectivly and make a profit.
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