Why a redzone? Just to let little campin ******* hide out all day and make me lose tons of isk and I can never touch em. I cant even get to them and that's wrong. The redzone should only be your little starting area around your side of the map and if you don't leave in 1 minute from respawn then you die. Or go no redzone plz. I want to kill these KDR paddin idiots.

Sounds like we got an idiot here folks... Why don't you take a militia sniper rifle, and shoot off their stationary heads?

Also, next time you're on a team that sucks and you get redlined, remember the only thing preventing you from being spawn camped is that red line...

Now to my biggest problem with this game. Why the hell would you make a game where some loser can sit back and shoot the crap out of you and make you waste isk like its going out of syle. Now I cant prevent this without a redzone yet I could at least go get revenge so I don't feel like choking somebody or breaking my controller in half. The longer I play this game the more I come to the conclusion that the game designers need to listen to people or just quit trying.

Remove redzone sniping but make sniper rifles deadlier.

Well in this game redzone sniping should be allowed since sniper rifles are not 1shot-2shot kill, usually it takes 3-5 shots one of those having to almost always be a headshot. The reason in other FPS there is no safe zone sniping is because in those games a sniper rifle can kill you instantly, so forcing the sniper to be in a vulnerable place is a balancing thing. In this game a sniper rifle cannot kill you instantly so we have to be in a safe place.

Charge snipers can easily get 1 shot kills.

Thats the exception :), and it only works on ADV and Basic suit, or scouts.

Then explain how I get one shot kills with The NT-511, and not all are head shots

NT-511 is a normal sniper rifle, if you get one shot by it that means your HP is less than 300, or less than 600 if it is a headshot. This is assuming the user of the NT-511 has damage modifiers. I think when the devs developed the game they didn't expect people to stack a lot of HP.

Thats the exception :), and it only works on ADV and Basic suit, or scouts.

The murder taxi is only a problem with the llav's. The free ones were a joke with a level or two
of AV equipment. No idea why CCP removed them tbh...
Forge guns are fine.
Redline sniping isn't a problem either. Set up a sniper fit and counter snipe. I know a few guys
that go after the proto/officer snipers with a passion. Fight fire with fire or something...
The redline itself is there to give both teams an area to work out of if the match turns ugly.
And don't break your controller, that s*** costs REAL money to replace.
And above all else:
Just breathe, it's only a game.

I think that all LAVs should take equal damage to them as the suit they ran over at a minimum. I have been playing since January and I am so sick of getting run over by a buch of BS players that shouldn't even be in this game. We have to pay for expensive gear and suits then some nobody runs you over.

Forge guns are ridiculous. OP on infantry to a point that any idiot with a militia can one shot my proto suit.

Now to my biggest problem with this game. Why the hell would you make a game where some loser can sit back and shoot the crap out of you and make you waste isk like its going out of syle. Now I cant prevent this without a redzone yet I could at least go get revenge so I don't feel like choking somebody or breaking my controller in half. The longer I play this game the more I come to the conclusion that the game designers need to listen to people or just quit trying.

We try to tell you LAVs are too beastly and you take away free ones. Big deal because a lot of ppl have one of the two free ones that you get in the packs anyhow. Why a redzone? Just to let little campin ******* hide out all day and make me lose tons of isk and I can never touch em. I cant even get to them and that's wrong. The redzone should only be your little starting area around your side of the map and if you don't leave in 1 minute from respawn then you die. Or go no redzone plz. I want to kill these KDR paddin idiots.

Sounds like we got an idiot here folks... Why don't you take a militia sniper rifle, and shoot off their stationary heads?

Also, next time you're on a team that sucks and you get redlined, remember the only thing preventing you from being spawn camped is that red line...

It seems you have a problem.

You are an inflexible complainer.

Lav Problem yo?
Bring a tanker in your squad
Bring a skill AV'r
Stick to the high ground!

Forge guns need some balancing, yes
*stealth nerfed already*
How?
Smaller splash radius
More work of course needs to be done.

As for snipers...

There will always be snipers.

Perhaps you should counter sniper?

'Nuff said.

Somehow I think that would **** him off more

Gotta disagree with the idea of getting rid of the red zone or having a limited amount of time in there. Imagine the number of rage quitters when a bunch of guys who routinely pub stomp manage to get them to die due to that time limit and being unable to get anywhere. Yeah, brilliant thought that one. Totally stellar. Dimwit.

That's just asking for trouble. But I'll tell you what, get red lined about ten matches and see how your grand plan works out for you.

Let me see. Never complained before on this forum about this yet im a complainer. Been playing since January pal. LAVs are so fast you cant even hardly hit them with AV grenades and they take a lot of damage. Forge guns you said the same they do need nerfed slightly. In war their is no redzone . No place to hide. Maybe your complaining about my post because you like to hide. If not you shouldn't have a problem with no redzone in Dust now should you.

To the original poster; hey man don't let the these trolls get to you. All your points are have value.
1st off you shouldn't have to change a fit to shoot a no- talent out of the " I got no talent zone". No one should be able to shoot in or out of the red zone, period. And once you leave you can't run and hide back in the red zone.
2nd assualt forge is OP as **** towards infantry. Not saying you can't get around it but it is an AV wepon not a bigger MD. It like swarms being able to lock on infantry( the use too).
3rd if the only way you can get a Positive KDR is spec-ing into a unkillable LAV then you might as well go back to being someone's hooker in eve. Cuase all your time will be spent QQing when they get nerfed.

Now I know you troll are going to bury this thread with outlandish post saying the opposite of these REAL points. So all I can say is, see ya on the battlefield. And after that you can come back here and say that VonSpliff is too OP.

Dude, bro , man. You said it perfectly.

Unlike you, I am flexible and effective.

I bring the right vehicle for the job and very often find myself at the front of the battle.
Whether its blaster tank/scanning at the front...
Suppressing enemy rail tanks/rail turrets from the back...
Blasting infantry apart from the sky while dropping friends on points with a dropship...
Repairing friendly infantry/vehicles shields/armor while running over enemies in an LAV...
Or peppering the field with a rainbow of uplinks...

You sir are inflexible.
You complain about snipers but lack the balls to counter them.

I take WP hits when I change my strategy to deal with a problem.

You know what?

That is far better than your mindless "zerg the point" strategy.
You lack situational awareness and your inability to change to cope
with threats shows you for the weak player you are.

I think that all LAVs should take equal damage to them as the suit they ran over at a minimum. I have been playing since January and I am so sick of getting run over by a buch of BS players that shouldn't even be in this game. We have to pay for expensive gear and suits then some nobody runs you over.

Forge guns are ridiculous. OP on infantry to a point that any idiot with a militia can one shot my proto suit.

Now to my biggest problem with this game. Why the hell would you make a game where some loser can sit back and shoot the crap out of you and make you waste isk like its going out of syle. Now I cant prevent this without a redzone yet I could at least go get revenge so I don't feel like choking somebody or breaking my controller in half. The longer I play this game the more I come to the conclusion that the game designers need to listen to people or just quit trying.

We try to tell you LAVs are too beastly and you take away free ones. Big deal because a lot of ppl have one of the two free ones that you get in the packs anyhow. Why a redzone? Just to let little campin ******* hide out all day and make me lose tons of isk and I can never touch em. I cant even get to them and that's wrong. The redzone should only be your little starting area around your side of the map and if you don't leave in 1 minute from respawn then you die. Or go no redzone plz. I want to kill these KDR paddin idiots.

I hide behind noone. I was accepted to where I am due to the merits of my ability, which sadly you lack.

You see these problems but do nothing constructive other than ***** and moan for nerfs, which is sad really when there are other ways to get around them.

You just the lack the tools necessary. Oh well, you and your empty tool box and can keep kicking around in the sand, wondering why you have lost all your ISK...

Q.Q

The murder taxi is only a problem with the llav's. The free ones were a joke with a level or two
of AV equipment. No idea why CCP removed them tbh...
Forge guns are fine.
Redline sniping isn't a problem either. Set up a sniper fit and counter snipe. I know a few guys
that go after the proto/officer snipers with a passion. Fight fire with fire or something...
The redline itself is there to give both teams an area to work out of if the match turns ugly.
And don't break your controller, that s*** costs REAL money to replace.
And above all else:
Just breathe, it's only a game.

I think that all LAVs should take equal damage to them as the suit they ran over at a minimum. I have been playing since January and I am so sick of getting run over by a buch of BS players that shouldn't even be in this game. We have to pay for expensive gear and suits then some nobody runs you over.

Forge guns are ridiculous. OP on infantry to a point that any idiot with a militia can one shot my proto suit.

Now to my biggest problem with this game. Why the hell would you make a game where some loser can sit back and shoot the crap out of you and make you waste isk like its going out of syle. Now I cant prevent this without a redzone yet I could at least go get revenge so I don't feel like choking somebody or breaking my controller in half. The longer I play this game the more I come to the conclusion that the game designers need to listen to people or just quit trying.

We try to tell you LAVs are too beastly and you take away free ones. Big deal because a lot of ppl have one of the two free ones that you get in the packs anyhow. Why a redzone? Just to let little campin ******* hide out all day and make me lose tons of isk and I can never touch em. I cant even get to them and that's wrong. The redzone should only be your little starting area around your side of the map and if you don't leave in 1 minute from respawn then you die. Or go no redzone plz. I want to kill these KDR paddin idiots.

I'm afraid that I will lose my forge gun of epic pwnage

Yeah yeah, keep trying to defend your win button. I know all too well what it can do

Is that all you got? Seriously fk out of here kid unless you have a valid argument that shows at least some points. You fail kid and btw if you cry this gun is op is pathetic. Its ok. Your corp loves to use prototype gear in pubs. But I own most of you with standard suits and advanced weapons :)

What weapon do you use sir? I use most of them on one character and bpo dren suits

I used to be a sniper in the old build and I never used the redzone. Most the time I would welcome the little battles where people came to get me. I had such memorable battles on the big hill. You knew when they sent heavys up the hill that you were getting on their nerves. Now with the redzone so huge snipers never show their faces. I just want to kill them.

The Forge gun is not a balanced weapon.

Am I saying nerf it into oblivion? No, because it functions as intended versus tanks.

Versus infantry and dropships? Not so much.

It needs work, but not a boot.
Perhaps drop off some damage after range increments?
Perhaps cutting off some of the splash?
Remove the ability to spam shots after only 1 second charges?


Stuff like that.

people want to complain about everything that kills them. i use many guns, but mainly use snipers outside of the red line and keep some points safe in skimish or support my team when they need it. the AR is by far easier to use then anything in this game, and forge guns are balanced. i use them and they have many drawbacks, while those AR have very little to none. don't complain about anything being OP if your unwilling to change your fits mid game. i know i change my fits a lot and it helped me out in the long run

I don't hide. I am the center attraction baby, throwing bodies left and right.

Learn to play.

Oh wait... you can't...

Keep on crying "nerfs", you failhard.

One more thing to add onto redline sniping-
The redzone has, more often than not, the best locations to snipe into certain areas from.

Explain to me how players aren't expected to use towers in the redzone with ladders going up them- especially the structure that looks like it's specifically for sniping.

Then explain how I get one shot kills with The NT-511, and not all are head shots

Read this:


Adapted from Deep Core Mining Inc.GÇÖs proprietary technology, the DCMA S-1 subverts conventional expectations of what a man-portable anti-material weapons platform is capable of.-áDespite its excessive weight and extended recharge times, the GÇ£Forge GunGÇ¥ as it has become known, is regarded as the most devastating infantry weapon on the battlefield, and an invaluable tool for those capable of wielding it.

Powered by a GeminiGäó microcapacitor, the Forge Gun utilizes a stored electric charge to fire kinetic slugs at speeds in excess of 7,000 m/s, enough to penetrate even augmented armor systems.-áDuring the pre-fire charge, the forward armature locks into position, stabilizing the magnetic field and helping to shield the user from backscatter and the excessive heat produced.-áPower generation remains the single largest drawback of the current design, the onboard capacitor requiring a significant amount of time to reach full power after each discharge

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Not sure if you can read but to sum that up it states that the gun is a ANTI MATERIAL NOT ANTI VEHICLE. MEANING ITS FOR INFANTRY, INSTALATIONS AND VEHICLE.
so why cry? Seriously you sound so bad lol. Probably got killed by me a couple times lol.
Dude the forge gun has toooooo many drawbacks that scrubs like you ignore. Charge time, being on the slowest thing on the game. No zoom, it requires more aim than a ar. Like pin point accuracy. You have to lead to be able to take out moving targets.
Hitting moving targets is pretty hard tbh. Most of time it's splash dmg that just hurts them. You fail kid.
Forge sniping, takes skill kiddo. Need to be able to get a drop ship, decent location. You have to watch for snipers and you need someone to refill you. If a gun requires that much to get a decent kdr than how the fk is it OP? Seriously stop acting like a little bytch because you suck. Most of the kills I've gotten was because they stand still and shoot at me thinking I suck lol. I use my forge gun in the front line. And trust me it requires a lot more skill than using any other gun due to its slow reload and rof. Use the gun and tell me how many kill you get. Quit trying to nerf shyt just because you suck. Mad because you can't stand still to kill people? Useless. Why do you ignore the draw backs that these guns have? Who the fk are you to tell me that my gun is op when you're the dumbazz that stood still long enough for me to charge my gun and shoot you. Quit dust you scrub. I'm so tired of people who want to nerf every fking thing in the game because they can't think while playing. It isn't my fault dust isn't a point and shoot game. And the assault forge gun can't hold charge, meaning once it's charge it will fire. It requires timing to use. More skill than a simple assault rifle. I mean more skill than the idiot assault rifle users who are brainless fks

I think that all LAVs should take equal damage to them as the suit they ran over at a minimum. I have been playing since January and I am so sick of getting run over by a buch of BS players that shouldn't even be in this game. We have to pay for expensive gear and suits then some nobody runs you over.

Forge guns are ridiculous. OP on infantry to a point that any idiot with a militia can one shot my proto suit.

Now to my biggest problem with this game. Why the hell would you make a game where some loser can sit back and shoot the crap out of you and make you waste isk like its going out of syle. Now I cant prevent this without a redzone yet I could at least go get revenge so I don't feel like choking somebody or breaking my controller in half. The longer I play this game the more I come to the conclusion that the game designers need to listen to people or just quit trying.

We try to tell you LAVs are too beastly and you take away free ones. Big deal because a lot of ppl have one of the two free ones that you get in the packs anyhow. Why a redzone? Just to let little campin ******* hide out all day and make me lose tons of isk and I can never touch em. I cant even get to them and that's wrong. The redzone should only be your little starting area around your side of the map and if you don't leave in 1 minute from respawn then you die. Or go no redzone plz. I want to kill these KDR paddin idiots.

Flaylock Steve your really talking smack. All of you guys have terrible memories I suppose. Do you remember 2 nights ago when I ran into you so since your name is Flaylock Steve I killed you with my flaylock just for fun. Then you forged me from some unknown location. After that I went on to kill you 4 more times lol. I killed you 5 times in 1 match and you killed me once. You had 9 deaths man. I remember a lot so maybe you should shhhhh. I have no pics because why the hell would I photo it. Im never hardly on the forums to argue. Yet here you are talkin crap and truth is you suck man.

Flaylock Steve your really talking smack. All of you guys have terrible memories I suppose. Do you remember 2 nights ago when I ran into you so since your name is Flaylock Steve I killed you with my flaylock just for fun. Then you forged me from some unknown location. After that I went on to kill you 4 more times lol. I killed you 5 times in 1 match and you killed me once. You had 9 deaths man. I remember a lot so maybe you should shhhhh. I have no pics because why the hell would I photo it. Im never hardly on the forums to argue. Yet here you are talkin crap and truth is you suck man.

Aw how cute you killed me. Point is? You still lacking in information. Sqaud? Team? When you killed me was it 1v1 or was it a group? Or did you just pick off some kills? Anyway nice try

I think that all LAVs should take equal damage to them as the suit they ran over at a minimum. I have been playing since January and I am so sick of getting run over by a buch of BS players that shouldn't even be in this game. We have to pay for expensive gear and suits then some nobody runs you over.

Forge guns are ridiculous. OP on infantry to a point that any idiot with a militia can one shot my proto suit.

Now to my biggest problem with this game. Why the hell would you make a game where some loser can sit back and shoot the crap out of you and make you waste isk like its going out of syle. Now I cant prevent this without a redzone yet I could at least go get revenge so I don't feel like choking somebody or breaking my controller in half. The longer I play this game the more I come to the conclusion that the game designers need to listen to people or just quit trying.

We try to tell you LAVs are too beastly and you take away free ones. Big deal because a lot of ppl have one of the two free ones that you get in the packs anyhow. Why a redzone? Just to let little campin ******* hide out all day and make me lose tons of isk and I can never touch em. I cant even get to them and that's wrong. The redzone should only be your little starting area around your side of the map and if you don't leave in 1 minute from respawn then you die. Or go no redzone plz. I want to kill these KDR paddin idiots.

1vs1 2 times the other 3 I spawn camped your cru and you just kept spawning with your heavy forge gun. First time I killed you, you had an assault or logi suit. That's when I flaylocked you. 1on1. We all were laughing because I targeted you with your stupid name and killed you with the same weapon that is in your name. My squad stood back and watched and laughed at your death. HAHAHAHA

Forge guns are the the weapon taht best rewards you for your AIM..

If you aim good, you have good games.
If you miss a single shot, you might be doomed.

I think the forge gun is good as it is.
Its a good weapon yes. Broken, no....

I agree. It requires more skill than a ar to use.

No steve I do not hate you but when I said I spawn camped you well I guess you didn't get it. You said there goes my pro moment lol. Think Steve why would I say I spawn camped you the other 3 kills. I was telling your stupidity to respawn at the same location that you just died at. Then you did it again. Then guess what man. You did it again lol. So I guess there goes your pro moment steve. You cant win this one man. You were dumb enough to keep spawning there.

You came on my post talking smack. Yet the match with you was one of the most memorable that I had for fun times shooting dummys so I remember it perfectly. I don't hate you. You just have a memorable name. Then you tried to come on my post talking and I just made you eat your words. I wouldn't talk again because you are losing this one.

Forge guns are the the weapon taht best rewards you for your AIM..

If you aim good, you have good games.
If you miss a single shot, you might be doomed.

I think the forge gun is good as it is.
Its a good weapon yes. Broken, no....

Ahem...Plasma Cannon hardest thing to use and best rewards u for good aim. U literally have to aim 20 meters in the direction hes going

I am in agreement with all of your gripes. I didn't say this is exactly how it should be fixed. I merely stated that I should be able to get to anyone at any given time if I choose to. You guys don't provide any other ideas just that mine are stupid. So if you don't like mine add your own ideas or don't post.

I used to snipe all the time in the other builds too but I usually had shot gunners coming after
me. Never worried about heavies at the time... I guess my point about all this is, honestly not
trying being a d***, everything has a counter man. I hate murder taxi's too which is why I spec'd
Swarms and grenades and am about to spec into demo. I put everything else on hold because
of them. And more than a few vehicle users have paid the price for the murder taxi drivers.
(Not so much the good vehicle users though) I wholeheardedly disagree with removing the
redline in pubs and FW if for nothing more than giving the casual (re: most) players somewhere
to spawn into on the ground when they're getting stomped.
As far as forge gunners go I've only had a problem with one or two guys but it had nothing to do
with the gun, it was all that players skill with thier weapon and suit build and positioning.
(not tower top forge sniping either, thats easy enough to avoid or suppress)
Maybe it's just me, I don't know. Just trying to give a bit of perspective.
If you want, find me in game I'd be more than willing to squad up and discuss stuff.

Redline sniping isn't a problem either. Set up a sniper fit and counter snipe. I know a few guys
that go after the proto/officer snipers with a passion. Fight fire with fire or something...

This probably isnt the case anymore with the changes to falloff meaning that damage is just reduced over distance, but there was a point in one match where I ran into the redzone for 10 seconds, shot a sniper using a proto sniper in the head but did not damage him. Range on militia is not as good as proto, so I think so long as noone can sit at a point in the redzone that is so far out they cant be hit by milita then yeah that is fine.
Otherwise I agree, the LAV thing is going to be fixed soon (according to the roadmap). Being 'sniped' by forge guns is annoying but can always be countered by snipers.
The redzone has to stay in pub matches at least because otherwise instead of being camped into the redzone people would be camped into the MCC or spawn camped on the ground. Some modification could probably be made though to reduce the tendency for people to turn to redline sniping so quickly.

NO THEY DONT NEED ANY TWEAK.

The forge gun does what its meant to be. 1 shot kill slow mofos, destroy vehicles.

Any good player can avoid a Forge-gun blast if they know its coming and after that take out the F.Gunner.
Thats why being a F.Gunner is all about positioning, calculating your shots,and saving bullets.

A militia Forge gunner cannot even hurt well made Tanks or LAV's.
A forge-gunner with a milita FG can take 1 out of 2+ soldiers.Usually ending up in a 1 for 1 trade.
(not the same can be said about other militia weapons, say AR? Where you can literally go around owning everything if you are a good player/or SMG that is decently powerful as a side arm/or milita sniper rifle , etc...)

Again a Weapon that Does what its supposed to do on the hands of a skilled player is NOT OP.
Its a good weapon, and we need more of these,not nerf the few one we have.

I think that all LAVs should take equal damage to them as the suit they ran over at a minimum. I have been playing since January and I am so sick of getting run over by a buch of BS players that shouldn't even be in this game. We have to pay for expensive gear and suits then some nobody runs you over.

Forge guns are ridiculous. OP on infantry to a point that any idiot with a militia can one shot my proto suit.

Now to my biggest problem with this game. Why the hell would you make a game where some loser can sit back and shoot the crap out of you and make you waste isk like its going out of syle. Now I cant prevent this without a redzone yet I could at least go get revenge so I don't feel like choking somebody or breaking my controller in half. The longer I play this game the more I come to the conclusion that the game designers need to listen to people or just quit trying.

We try to tell you LAVs are too beastly and you take away free ones. Big deal because a lot of ppl have one of the two free ones that you get in the packs anyhow. Why a redzone? Just to let little campin ******* hide out all day and make me lose tons of isk and I can never touch em. I cant even get to them and that's wrong. The redzone should only be your little starting area around your side of the map and if you don't leave in 1 minute from respawn then you die. Or go no redzone plz. I want to kill these KDR paddin idiots.

Having a staging point for a team works.

When I'm an enemy crossing into a redline I have a short amount of time to get out or I DIE its pretty severe and its accepted.

When the red line is abused it ruins any enjoyment you have in a successful outcome. Not to mention the people abusing the redlines hurt the people that get redlined and potentially spawn camped by not contributing to forwarding the map progress. MCC camping, sniping no helpful spot in the map, rails tanks... etc.

If you are in a redline for a couple minutes you should have no damage dealing potential, if over a longer period removed from game, if u are idle in the redline with no movement for 1 minute = kicked from match.

these redlines are not new concepts or even concepts not in practice this very hour in other games successfully.