DUST Search - I tested out the other ARs.

Cosgar wrote:

Sephirian Fair wrote:

Cosgar wrote:

Jimthefighter wrote:

What's the strategy to using the burst AR? I've always found that it seems to not quite have enough range, given a scope like the TAC. I figured it's kinda a marksman weapon, like the TAC.

Burst is supposed to be the true mid range variant. The GK was one of the best, if not underrated ARs back in beta and the Allotek was a monster in Chrome. Hit detection and aiming issues kind of make it useless below proto level.

^^^Agreed with above. And I have to honestly say, I miss the 7 round burst they used to have. The 3-round burst just doesn't output the same kind of damage that the Allotek used to have before the change. The 7-round burst made full use of the high rate of fire, and those who mastered it were CQC gods. I kinda wish they would change it back, strange as it may seem. >.>

If they brought the 7 round burst back, it might need a wider hip spread. We don't want another repeat of the TAC AR drama.

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Tectonic Fusion The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 92	Posted - 2013.08.03 02:20:00 - [1] - Quote The proto breach ar rocks (1 complex damage mod), but the advanced sucks (even with a complex). The proto burst and the advanced rock with 1 complex damage mod. Why don't I see these guns in the killboard? I used a basic medium caldari suit with a basic smg and a adv burst ar with a complex damage mod, and I got 10-1. I know it's not a good ratio, but this was the 3rd time I used this variant of the AR.
Cat Merc BetaMax. 3770	Posted - 2013.08.03 02:24:00 - [2] - Quote Proto and Advanced Breach AR have barely any difference. You probably had a good match with the proto one. In general Breach AR's suck. Less range, less clip capacity, and a whopping 100 less DPS(!).
Scheneighnay McBob Bojo's School of the Trades 2632	Posted - 2013.08.03 02:44:00 - [3] - Quote CCP needs to get their stats straight- it says HMGs are more accurate than prototype breach ARs- that's only the case if you crouch, ADS, and fire for a while.
G Felix Federated Consultants PMC 13	Posted - 2013.08.03 03:39:00 - [4] - Quote Scheneighnay McBob wrote: CCP needs to get their stats straight- it says HMGs are more accurate than prototype breach ARs- that's only the case if you crouch, ADS, and fire for a while. I also find this discrepancy interesting. I'm curious, does CCP base that accuracy rating on the initial accuracy of the HMG when fired, the accuracy after one second has passed and the spread calms down, or some algorithmic combination of the two?
Tectonic Fusion The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 92	Posted - 2013.08.03 20:23:00 - [5] - Quote True. The breach does suck. But I was owning proto assault with it.
TheAmazing FlyingPig Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 2235	Posted - 2013.08.03 21:04:00 - [6] - Quote Has horrible repressed memories of closed beta breach ARs
Tectonic Fusion The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 92	Posted - 2013.08.03 22:42:00 - [7] - Quote TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote: Has horrible repressed memories of closed beta breach ARs Were they OP back then? I only came on dust like 2-3 updates before uprising.
HYENAKILLER X TEAM SHINOBI 106	Posted - 2013.08.03 22:56:00 - [8] - Quote I remember when I first qualified for the chedreon breach assualt rifle. The first game killed 5 people died once. Next 3 games got danced on. Havent touched one since.
Cosgar ParagonX 3853	Posted - 2013.08.03 23:30:00 - [9] - Quote TAC AR is still damn good, but the other variants aren't that effective until proto. Full-auto AR just outshines them because it's too effective in all situations. If that doesn't say it's OP, nothing will.
Knight Soiaire Better Hide R Die D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1584	Posted - 2013.08.03 23:33:00 - [10] - Quote Cosgar wrote: TAC AR is still damn good, but the other variants aren't that effective until proto. Full-auto AR just outshines them because it's too effective in all situations. If that doesn't say it's OP, nothing will. Edit: Just noticed you basically said what I was saying. Darn

Jack the Rlpper Better Than You. 4	Posted - 2013.08.03 23:36:00 - [11] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Proto and Advanced Breach AR have barely any difference. You probably had a good match with the proto one. In general Breach AR's suck. Less range, less clip capacity, and a whopping 100 less DPS(!). in my opinion I have had good luck with ar's all around though they are easy mode, just swipe your "laser" across someone and boom dead.
Jack the Rlpper Better Than You. 4	Posted - 2013.08.03 23:38:00 - [12] - Quote Tectonic Fusion wrote: True. The breach does suck. But I was owning proto assault with it. i run duvolle assult rifle and it doesnt compare to my creodron breach ar, the dps may be worse but the shots count so if you like firing from the hip then this is the weapon for you
Th3rdSun Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation 453	Posted - 2013.08.03 23:38:00 - [13] - Quote Tectonic Fusion wrote: True. The breach does suck. But I was owning proto assault with it. Ever since the breach AR's got a range nerf,you have to use it in a very specific way in order to be successful with them.Just think of them as full automatic shotguns and you'll be ok with them.
Jimthefighter Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 4	Posted - 2013.08.04 00:12:00 - [14] - Quote What's the strategy to using the burst AR? I've always found that it seems to not quite have enough range, given a scope like the TAC. I figured it's kinda a marksman weapon, like the TAC.
Tectonic Fusion The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 92	Posted - 2013.08.04 02:36:00 - [15] - Quote Jack the Rlpper wrote: Tectonic Fusion wrote: True. The breach does suck. But I was owning proto assault with it. i run duvolle assult rifle and it doesnt compare to my creodron breach ar, the dps may be worse but the shots count so if you like firing from the hip then this is the weapon for you Same, I can make all shots connect. And their shields go down very quick. Armor is the easy part.
Tectonic Fusion The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 92	Posted - 2013.08.04 02:39:00 - [16] - Quote Jimthefighter wrote: What's the strategy to using the burst AR? I've always found that it seems to not quite have enough range, given a scope like the TAC. I figured it's kinda a marksman weapon, like the TAC. Well, I use it as a sidearm sometimes. I take down peoples shields with my submachine gun, then when I run out of ammo, I hipfire with the burst. But I usually go at normal AR range and go into the scope to kill. I have good aim, so I always get quick kills with it. For it to be OP, it needs to be fired faster between the 3 shot burst.
Buster Friently Rosen Association 1438	Posted - 2013.08.04 02:44:00 - [17] - Quote Cosgar wrote: TAC AR is still damn good, but the other variants aren't that effective until proto. Full-auto AR just outshines them because it's too effective in all situations. If that doesn't say it's OP, nothing will. QFT
Cosgar ParagonX 3874	Posted - 2013.08.04 02:47:00 - [18] - Quote Jimthefighter wrote: What's the strategy to using the burst AR? I've always found that it seems to not quite have enough range, given a scope like the TAC. I figured it's kinda a marksman weapon, like the TAC. Burst is supposed to be the true mid range variant. The GK was one of the best, if not underrated ARs back in beta and the Allotek was a monster in Chrome. Hit detection and aiming issues kind of make it useless below proto level.
Sephirian Fair Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 94	Posted - 2013.08.04 02:53:00 - [19] - Quote Cosgar wrote: Jimthefighter wrote: What's the strategy to using the burst AR? I've always found that it seems to not quite have enough range, given a scope like the TAC. I figured it's kinda a marksman weapon, like the TAC. Burst is supposed to be the true mid range variant. The GK was one of the best, if not underrated ARs back in beta and the Allotek was a monster in Chrome. Hit detection and aiming issues kind of make it useless below proto level. ^^^Agreed with above. And I have to honestly say, I miss the 7 round burst they used to have. The 3-round burst just doesn't output the same kind of damage that the Allotek used to have before the change. The 7-round burst made full use of the high rate of fire, and those who mastered it were CQC gods. I kinda wish they would change it back, strange as it may seem. >.>
Cosgar ParagonX 3883	Posted - 2013.08.04 03:13:00 - [20] - Quote Sephirian Fair wrote: Cosgar wrote: Jimthefighter wrote: What's the strategy to using the burst AR? I've always found that it seems to not quite have enough range, given a scope like the TAC. I figured it's kinda a marksman weapon, like the TAC. Burst is supposed to be the true mid range variant. The GK was one of the best, if not underrated ARs back in beta and the Allotek was a monster in Chrome. Hit detection and aiming issues kind of make it useless below proto level. ^^^Agreed with above. And I have to honestly say, I miss the 7 round burst they used to have. The 3-round burst just doesn't output the same kind of damage that the Allotek used to have before the change. The 7-round burst made full use of the high rate of fire, and those who mastered it were CQC gods. I kinda wish they would change it back, strange as it may seem. >.> If they brought the 7 round burst back, it might need a wider hip spread. We don't want another repeat of the TAC AR drama.

Tectonic Fusion The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 93	Posted - 2013.08.04 04:39:00 - [21] - Quote Cosgar wrote: Sephirian Fair wrote: Cosgar wrote: Jimthefighter wrote: What's the strategy to using the burst AR? I've always found that it seems to not quite have enough range, given a scope like the TAC. I figured it's kinda a marksman weapon, like the TAC. Burst is supposed to be the true mid range variant. The GK was one of the best, if not underrated ARs back in beta and the Allotek was a monster in Chrome. Hit detection and aiming issues kind of make it useless below proto level. ^^^Agreed with above. And I have to honestly say, I miss the 7 round burst they used to have. The 3-round burst just doesn't output the same kind of damage that the Allotek used to have before the change. The 7-round burst made full use of the high rate of fire, and those who mastered it were CQC gods. I kinda wish they would change it back, strange as it may seem. >.> If they brought the 7 round burst back, it might need a wider hip spread. We don't want another repeat of the TAC AR drama. 4-5 round burst is fine to me. It's a little underpowered. But I do better with it than my Duvolle.
8213 Grade No.2 75	Posted - 2013.08.04 04:47:00 - [22] - Quote I use the CreoDron once in a while. You can't use the Breach ARs like regular ARs, they force you to hang back and pick up kills and assists from the perimeter. Not really my cup of tea to be playing like that. But for their playstyle and purpose, the CreoDron is probably a bit OP actually.
TODDSTER024 Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 102	Posted - 2013.08.04 05:09:00 - [23] - Quote I use the "Exile" and can handle my own
Jade Hasegawa Intrepidus XI EoN. 29	Posted - 2013.08.04 07:47:00 - [24] - Quote Tried all of them when game came out of beta, the TACAR style does not really suit me (but I dont mind the proto one) I prefer the full auto variant, more due to the feel of it,the breach just felt wrong, didnt like that ROF and the burst, meh, I hate the burst fire AR in Bf3 too, I like to decide for myself how long a burst will be
Tectonic Fusion The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 93	Posted - 2013.08.04 17:27:00 - [25] - Quote Jade Hasegawa wrote: Tried all of them when game came out of beta, the TACAR style does not really suit me (but I dont mind the proto one) I prefer the full auto variant, more due to the feel of it,the breach just felt wrong, didnt like that ROF and the burst, meh, I hate the burst fire AR in Bf3 too, I like to decide for myself how long a burst will be I guess I'm good with the burst because I use to use a burst-like weapon in CoD :p


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