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Rusty Shallows
Black Jackals
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Posted - 2013.08.03 05:01:00 -
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Nguruthos IX wrote:So what is the problem with a heavy aircraft vehicle again? The problem was Fixed Wing Heavy Aircraft.
Because high eHP and good mobility will equal invulnerability in this game. L-LAVs have pretty much proven that. The only counter then would be Stinger missiles and some variant of the Aegis Combat System.
Not to mention it would be a big middle finger to Dropships.
I don't foresee CCP putting out vehicles with the eHP of a HAV, speed of a LAV, and mobility of a Dropship. |
Nguruthos IX
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
976
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Posted - 2013.08.03 05:06:00 -
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Rusty Shallows wrote:Nguruthos IX wrote:So what is the problem with a heavy aircraft vehicle again? The problem was Fixed Wing Heavy Aircraft. Because high eHP and good mobility will equal invulnerability in this game. L-LAVs have pretty much proven that. The only counter then would be Stinger missiles and some variant of the Aegis Combat System. Not to mention it would be a big middle finger to Dropships. I don't foresee CCP putting out vehicles with the eHP of a HAV, speed of a LAV, and mobility of a Dropship.
Wait I'm so confused. Who was talking about fixed wing anything or fast "air tanks" ?
I don't think any person is suggesting there should be jets moving at jet speed that are tankier than a HAV (See also, current logi LAV's lol)
PS LAV's are so survivable not just because of their speed but because they are on the ground, able to go between buildings, under bridges, and around all sorts of things.
A heavy air vehicle would neither be that fast nor able to squeeze between and hide under such cover. I'm not sure what you're on about.. |
Tallen Ellecon
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
369
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Posted - 2013.08.03 05:11:00 -
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gbghg wrote:Probably still stuck in the art department.
This |
Nguruthos IX
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
976
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Posted - 2013.08.03 05:16:00 -
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Tallen Ellecon wrote:gbghg wrote:Probably still stuck in the art department. This
CPM stated in IRC that the art department is actually not the holdup, as revealed to them by CCP in conversations.
Basically Heavy Aircraft Vehicle has not yet been discussed or brainstormed by developers since they sat around a table and said "Yeah, we'll have them".
They are stuck in the idea department. Several floors below the "We got screwed with Carbon by PS3" and then "Wow...We really ****ed up, time to spend a year doing quick patches to hardly salvage things" departments..
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darkiller240
K-A-O-S theory
120
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Posted - 2013.08.03 05:21:00 -
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Nguruthos IX wrote:I don't see the problem with a "Flying tank" Or heavily armored gunship.
The secret advantage of Tanks and LAV's right now over dropships (other than DS being paper) is the Fact that they are on the ground. Or rather, they are constantly LOS and have many obstacles to move around or behind in order to rep up or hide from Forge Guns and swarms.
In the air there is no cover.
Imagine a HAV as it is now, except flying in the air and fairly slow. The thing would almost be a joke, it'd be so easy to kill.
Any AV on the map could target it from anywhere and if it got close to the ground it might die from collision impacts or flip over. Or get stuck as it's landing gear glues it to one spot for being too too low. Such a tank would be demolished in moments.
So what is the problem with a heavy aircraft vehicle again? There he gets it |
Rusty Shallows
Black Jackals
208
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Posted - 2013.08.03 05:25:00 -
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Nguruthos IX wrote:Wait I'm so confused. Who was talking about fixed wing anything or fast "air tanks" ?
I don't think any person is suggesting there should be jets moving at jet speed that are tankier than a HAV (See also, current logi LAV's lol)
PS LAV's are so survivable not just because of their speed but because they are on the ground, able to go between buildings, under bridges, and around all sorts of things.
A heavy air vehicle would neither be that fast nor able to squeeze between and hide under such cover. I'm not sure what you're on about.. It's completely my fault. Sorry Nguruthos. My sarcasm radar failed. |
Hunter Junko
Vherokior Combat Logistics Minmatar Republic
125
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Posted - 2013.08.03 05:27:00 -
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Dimitri Rascolovitch wrote: if you scroll up, you will see that i DO welcome new targets, more stuff to swat out of the sky means more WP/ISK/SP per match for me and others like me
until CCP introduces Countermeasures |
Nguruthos IX
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
976
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Posted - 2013.08.03 05:31:00 -
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Rusty Shallows wrote:Nguruthos IX wrote:Wait I'm so confused. Who was talking about fixed wing anything or fast "air tanks" ?
I don't think any person is suggesting there should be jets moving at jet speed that are tankier than a HAV (See also, current logi LAV's lol)
PS LAV's are so survivable not just because of their speed but because they are on the ground, able to go between buildings, under bridges, and around all sorts of things.
A heavy air vehicle would neither be that fast nor able to squeeze between and hide under such cover. I'm not sure what you're on about.. It's completely my fault. Sorry Nguruthos. My sarcasm radar failed.
Oh that's okay. I hadn't read all the posts, I was wondering if some moron actually suggested for some tank jet abomination.
I would expect this to look something like the mothership from starcraft 2. Maybe it could have a good top speed but only after immensely* slow build up. |
Mobius Wyvern
BetaMax.
2839
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Posted - 2013.08.03 06:24:00 -
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darkiller240 wrote:So dropships are medium expensive paper weight, still hasent been fixed. SOON we Will have 'fighter' crafts (cheap assult dropships) wich Will be' nice But as i recently discovered the 'bomber' that were getting is just an expensive paper weight with bombs Where is our heavy aircraft? Who knows?
Hell, we've even had a Dev make a post about MTACs, but not a single damn word about aircraft.
Kind of a downer for someone who got into this game wanting to be a pilot. |
darkiller240
K-A-O-S theory
123
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Posted - 2013.08.03 06:26:00 -
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Mobius Wyvern wrote:darkiller240 wrote:So dropships are medium expensive paper weight, still hasent been fixed. SOON we Will have 'fighter' crafts (cheap assult dropships) wich Will be' nice But as i recently discovered the 'bomber' that were getting is just an expensive paper weight with bombs Where is our heavy aircraft? Who knows? Hell, we've even had a Dev make a post about MTACs, but not a single damn word about aircraft. Kind of a downer for someone who got into this game wanting to be a pilot. ,.......... |
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Mobius Wyvern
BetaMax.
2844
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Posted - 2013.08.03 06:30:00 -
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darkiller240 wrote:Mobius Wyvern wrote:darkiller240 wrote:So dropships are medium expensive paper weight, still hasent been fixed. SOON we Will have 'fighter' crafts (cheap assult dropships) wich Will be' nice But as i recently discovered the 'bomber' that were getting is just an expensive paper weight with bombs Where is our heavy aircraft? Who knows? Hell, we've even had a Dev make a post about MTACs, but not a single damn word about aircraft. Kind of a downer for someone who got into this game wanting to be a pilot. ,.......... Oh, sorry, I guess I forgot "Bomber Dropships".
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Scipio Falconius
Nemesis Consortium
6
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Posted - 2013.08.03 11:44:00 -
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I always figured the Heavy Aircraft would be similar to the Dragon gunship in Avatar. |
Shadow of War88
0uter.Heaven EoN.
27
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Posted - 2013.08.03 12:22:00 -
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hold ur horses buddy, they have yet to balance current vehicles. Dont talk to me bout jets n heavy aircraft |
darkiller240
K-A-O-S theory
123
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Posted - 2013.08.03 18:31:00 -
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Shadow of War88 wrote:hold ur horses buddy, they have yet to balance current vehicles. Dont talk to me bout jets n heavy aircraft i wish they would balace dropships |
Mobius Wyvern
BetaMax.
2855
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Posted - 2013.08.03 19:28:00 -
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Shadow of War88 wrote:hold ur horses buddy, they have yet to balance current vehicles. Dont talk to me bout jets n heavy aircraft But that's what I'm talking about.
I don't want more air assets with the balance we have right now. That's part of why I'm so opposed to Bomber Dropships, because it's emblematic of the same train of thought CCP Reykjavik had to work their way out of with EVE Online, that being constantly releasing new content but rarely iterating on the things that needed fixing.
As many free-to-play games have proven, you can have all the content in the world and it won't save you from people leaving because the mechanics are lousy. |
Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
1063
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Posted - 2013.08.03 20:07:00 -
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Maybe we already have them, & they just get forge gunned out of the sky before anyone realises. |
Mobius Wyvern
BetaMax.
2859
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Posted - 2013.08.03 20:34:00 -
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Chunky Munkey wrote:Maybe we already have them, & they just get forge gunned out of the sky before anyone realises. QFT |
Taeryn Frost
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
23
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Posted - 2013.08.03 21:23:00 -
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All this talk of proto tanks and heavy dropships...guess I better start skilling into proto swarms. Doesn't help that in the past 2 days I've had 2 dropships kill me by landing on top of me: one was crashing and burning, the other seemed like it bounced me on purpose. (New murder taxi?) |
Lightning Bolt2
DUST University Ivy League
89
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Posted - 2013.08.03 21:41:00 -
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Taeryn Frost wrote:All this talk of proto tanks and heavy dropships...guess I better start skilling into proto swarms. Doesn't help that in the past 2 days I've had 2 dropships kill me by landing on top of me: one was crashing and burning, the other seemed like it bounced me on purpose. (New murder taxi?)
lol, I've been using dropships trying to kill by crushing people... did you see my name? |
Mobius Wyvern
BetaMax.
2860
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Posted - 2013.08.03 21:46:00 -
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Taeryn Frost wrote:All this talk of proto tanks and heavy dropships...guess I better start skilling into proto swarms. Doesn't help that in the past 2 days I've had 2 dropships kill me by landing on top of me: one was crashing and burning, the other seemed like it bounced me on purpose. (New murder taxi?) Speaking of that, we still need a Swarm nerf.
For the sake of spreading this as much as possible: give the Plasma Cannon the current damage of Swarms, and vice versa.
Then reduce the arc and increase the speed of the PC projectile, and give Swarms a major speed buff so they're great for hitting fast targets. |
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