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The dark cloud Intara Direct Action Caldari State 1814	Posted - 2013.08.01 19:59:00 - [1] - Quote packed AV grenades have their damage stats updated. Now you can see how much av grenades actually hurt. King of it is still the Lai Dai packed av grenade that deals a whoppping 1764HP base damage. The Ishukone assault forgegun deals "only" 1663HP damage. So some 1 explain me why a grenade sized weapon deals more then a weapon that is beeing used by heavys only? Not just that but Av grenades are even more devastating against any kind of armor based vehicles due to the added 30% damage. So the packed lai dai av grenade deals in total 2269HP damage against armored vehicles. In my opinion no grenade sized weapon should deal more alpha damage then a forgegun. And no the argument that the breach forgegun deals more damage does not count. Why? Because you can throw 3 av grenades faster compared to 1 charged shot from a breach. CCP should swap the damage from the packed av grenades to plasma canons.
DeadlyAztec11 Max-Pain-inc Dark Taboo 1753	Posted - 2013.08.01 20:01:00 - [2] - Quote Doesn't the proto breach do more damage?
QQ Commander Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 2	Posted - 2013.08.01 20:02:00 - [3] - Quote Reserved.
Buddha Brown Factory Fresh 217	Posted - 2013.08.01 20:20:00 - [4] - Quote Well, you do have to get REALLY close to a deadly, deadly killing machine to even have a chance at delivering those AV nades. So, there's that.
Deluxe Edition TeamPlayers EoN. 672	Posted - 2013.08.01 20:20:00 - [5] - Quote but it also requires you to get up close and personal with a tank... If you as a tank allow this to happen you deserve to die. Keep moving and be aware of your surroundings and AV grenades are not a problem.
Xender17 Intrepidus XI EoN. 407	Posted - 2013.08.01 20:22:00 - [6] - Quote Buddha Brown wrote: Well, you do have to get REALLY close to a deadly, deadly killing machine to even have a chance at delivering those AV nades. So, there's that. AV=Skill ? ... no
Cy Clone1 Ancient Exiles Negative-Feedback 178	Posted - 2013.08.01 20:22:00 - [7] - Quote ill one up you and say that any hand held weapon shouldn't have more damage than a massive railgun mounted on a tank. im fine with it im just saying
The dark cloud Intara Direct Action Caldari State 1814	Posted - 2013.08.01 20:26:00 - [8] - Quote Cy Clone1 wrote: ill one up you and say that any hand held weapon shouldn't have more damage than a massive railgun mounted on a tank. im fine with it im just saying Well appearently the devs think the smaller a weapon gets the more damage it should do.
Foundation Seldon Gespenster Kompanie Villore Accords 63	Posted - 2013.08.01 20:29:00 - [9] - Quote The dark cloud wrote: Cy Clone1 wrote: ill one up you and say that any hand held weapon shouldn't have more damage than a massive railgun mounted on a tank. im fine with it im just saying Well appearently the devs think the smaller a weapon gets the more damage it should do. Still waiting for the ability to Nova Knife a tank to death, then we will truly be Starhawk.
Poplo Furuya Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 530	Posted - 2013.08.01 20:31:00 - [10] - Quote Missing a vital detail: you can't boost AV grenade damage. You'd be extremely hard pressed to find a Forge Gunner who doesn't have Proficiency 2 and at least 1 Complex Damage Mod, usually 2. Want to add about +25% to that damage figure.

Chris F2112 187. 276	Posted - 2013.08.01 20:42:00 - [11] - Quote With that forge gun you get more shots, anti infantry potential, and more damage as long as you have any proficiency levels and a damage mod on. Don't try to pretend like the forge gun is bad.
8213 Grade No.2 57	Posted - 2013.08.01 20:46:00 - [12] - Quote Really, because I threw an AV grenade at a guy using a Forge Gun, and it did NOTHING! Then he shot and killed me.
Buddha Brown Factory Fresh 217	Posted - 2013.08.01 20:47:00 - [13] - Quote Xender17 wrote: Buddha Brown wrote: Well, you do have to get REALLY close to a deadly, deadly killing machine to even have a chance at delivering those AV nades. So, there's that. AV=Skill ? ... no AV = anti vehicle duh
Xender17 Intrepidus XI EoN. 409	Posted - 2013.08.01 20:48:00 - [14] - Quote Poplo Furuya wrote: Missing a vital detail: you can't boost AV grenade damage. You'd be extremely hard pressed to find a Forge Gunner who doesn't have Proficiency 2 and at least 1 Complex Damage Mod, usually 2. Want to add about +25% to that damage figure. Not very vital... It hardly changes the fact that a pure av weapon you skill into deeply does less than something more powerful in every way/costs less.
Xender17 Intrepidus XI EoN. 409	Posted - 2013.08.01 20:50:00 - [15] - Quote Buddha Brown wrote: Xender17 wrote: Buddha Brown wrote: Well, you do have to get REALLY close to a deadly, deadly killing machine to even have a chance at delivering those AV nades. So, there's that. AV=Skill ? ... no AV = anti vehicle duh Ohhhh haha I understand now. because it's a AV weapon it should be OP and take no skill.
gbghg L.O.T.I.S. RISE of LEGION 2903	Posted - 2013.08.01 20:53:00 - [16] - Quote Scissors holding paper is just stupid, it messes up the relationship between the different units.
Forlorn Destrier Bullet Cluster 1256	Posted - 2013.08.01 20:54:00 - [17] - Quote The dark cloud wrote: packed AV grenades have their damage stats updated. Now you can see how much av grenades actually hurt. King of it is still the Lai Dai packed av grenade that deals a whoppping 1764HP base damage. The Ishukone assault forgegun deals "only" 1663HP damage. So some 1 explain me why a grenade sized weapon deals more then a weapon that is beeing used by heavys only? Not just that but Av grenades are even more devastating against any kind of armor based vehicles due to the added 30% damage. So the packed lai dai av grenade deals in total 2269HP damage against armored vehicles. In my opinion no grenade sized weapon should deal more alpha damage then a forgegun. And no the argument that the breach forgegun deals more damage does not count. Why? Because you can throw 3 av grenades faster compared to 1 charged shot from a breach. CCP should swap the damage from the packed av grenades to plasma canons. Same reason that shotguns do more damage than AR's - range.
Buddha Brown Factory Fresh 217	Posted - 2013.08.01 20:55:00 - [18] - Quote IIRC Grenadier 5 costs more than weap 5, heavy weap 3 and FG 5 combined, just tossin that in too
Ninjanomyx One Who Bears Fangs At GOD 124	Posted - 2013.08.01 20:55:00 - [19] - Quote Deluxe Edition wrote: but it also requires you to get up close and personal with a tank... If you as a tank allow this to happen you deserve to die. Keep moving and be aware of your surroundings and AV grenades are not a problem. Do you even LAV bro??? :P
Jason Pearson Seraphim Auxiliaries 2326	Posted - 2013.08.01 21:00:00 - [20] - Quote Poplo Furuya wrote: Missing a vital detail: you can't boost AV grenade damage. You'd be extremely hard pressed to find a Forge Gunner who doesn't have Proficiency 2 and at least 1 Complex Damage Mod, usually 2. Want to add about +25% to that damage figure. o/ I run shield extenders on mine, I kill pretty fast.

Knight Soiaire Better Hide R Die D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1564	Posted - 2013.08.01 21:03:00 - [21] - Quote Foundation Seldon wrote: The dark cloud wrote: Cy Clone1 wrote: ill one up you and say that any hand held weapon shouldn't have more damage than a massive railgun mounted on a tank. im fine with it im just saying Well appearently the devs think the smaller a weapon gets the more damage it should do. Still waiting for the ability to Nova Knife a tank to death, then we will truly be Starhawk. Wont be Starhawk until Dropships get a CAF option.
Makuta Miserix Better Hide R Die D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 163	Posted - 2013.08.01 21:03:00 - [22] - Quote Foundation Seldon wrote: The dark cloud wrote: Cy Clone1 wrote: ill one up you and say that any hand held weapon shouldn't have more damage than a massive railgun mounted on a tank. im fine with it im just saying Well appearently the devs think the smaller a weapon gets the more damage it should do. Still waiting for the ability to Nova Knife a tank to death, then we will truly be Starhawk. 2 hit kill? Bruiser abuser.
Poplo Furuya Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 531	Posted - 2013.08.01 21:05:00 - [23] - Quote Xender17 wrote: Poplo Furuya wrote: Missing a vital detail: you can't boost AV grenade damage. You'd be extremely hard pressed to find a Forge Gunner who doesn't have Proficiency 2 and at least 1 Complex Damage Mod, usually 2. Want to add about +25% to that damage figure. Not very vital... It hardly changes the fact that a pure av weapon you skill into deeply does less than something more powerful in every way/costs less. ... You what, mate? In practice it means an Assault FG does about 2400 damage a shot. Some other small details in it's favour: 300 metre range, better efficiency versus shields, 16 rounds per suit (w/ higher damage per shot in practice), can be highly effective against infantry. Charge of 1.875s, 4 rounds per magazine, let's say 2400 damage. It can spike for about 9600 damage in 7.5 seconds. The Lai Dai probably take about 1.5 seconds to throw. 1764*3 is 5292 damage in 4.5 seconds? For armor, 6807. For shields, I dunno, less. I'm all maths'd out now. So slightly better burst, less overall damage, no follow up, significantly shorter range of delivery. Considering this, do you really want to claim Lai Dais outperform proto Forges when it comes to general AV ability? No. They're good and don't consume the focus of a fit but they only outperform a Forge in the first 5.625 seconds of an engagement. That's it.
stlcarlos989 SVER True Blood 437	Posted - 2013.08.01 21:32:00 - [24] - Quote Packed AV grenades can't be thrown far and also require throwing the grenade close to the vehicle because they have a small lock-on range. Forge guns can be used at a distance and are also effective against dropships and infantry not just HAVs and LAVs. EDIT: AV grendades do work on dropships but only if the pilot is dumb enough to fly that low.
Delta 749 Kestrel Reconnaissance 1517	Posted - 2013.08.01 21:35:00 - [25] - Quote I know right? and they benefit from damage mods, have a skill that ups their damage, and you can carry way more than three grenades at a time Seriously though quit your bitching, AV nades are fine as they are and need that large spike damage to act as a deterrent to bitching tank drivers who think they should be able to safely park next to a cru and rack up kills


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