DUST Search - New Player Impressions

Sgt Buttscratch wrote:

Cross Atu wrote:

I-Dont-Wipe My BUTT wrote:

Played this game briefly during the open beta. Forgot about it. Then saw an article on JOYSTIQ about MMOs on consoles and thought I'd try it again to see what changes have been made since I was last here.

Amazingly small map.

Only one map at that.

8 vs 8 deathmatch only battles.

The game area is too small and the match is over in less than 5 minutes. I'm completely underwhelmed. I thought "FREE REALMS" and "HAPPY WARS" were bad, but this is much worse.

Complete the "Academy" portion of the game and things open up. The play type you describe is a recent change (one I honestly don't really support) to the training matches portion of the game which is a one time aspect until your toon reaches 10k lifetime WP. After that there are three match types with 16v16 teams and then FW and PC battles on top of that.

The new player experience does need work, but it's far from the full scope or value of the game. Stick around for a bit and give the real game a try, don't judge it on the tutorial alone.

Cheers,
Cross

But surely, It needs to capture new players, by at least giving them a small glimpse of what is to come, If i had started to that, I woulda been gone. It's poor, and I from what I was hearing on the mics last night, not everyone is wandering about life outside academy, I had multiple questions asked about the Maps, vehicles, game modes. New players need to see more tan 1 slimmed down game mode on a slimmed down map, 30 times over before seing the actual game, It's like CCP is tryoing to break their will.

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I-Dont-Wipe My BUTT Star Poopers of the Orc Nebula 1	Posted - 2013.08.01 14:20:00 - [1] - Quote Played this game briefly during the open beta. Forgot about it. Then saw an article on JOYSTIQ about MMOs on consoles and thought I'd try it again to see what changes have been made since I was last here. Amazingly small map. Only one map at that. 8 vs 8 deathmatch only battles. The game area is too small and the match is over in less than 5 minutes. I'm completely underwhelmed. I thought "FREE REALMS" and "HAPPY WARS" were bad, but this is much worse.
Oso Peresoso RisingSuns 473	Posted - 2013.08.01 14:21:00 - [2] - Quote I don't believe you, because if that was true you wouldn't have bothered making this thread.
I-Dont-Wipe My BUTT Star Poopers of the Orc Nebula 1	Posted - 2013.08.01 14:26:00 - [3] - Quote Oso Peresoso wrote: I don't believe you, because if that was true you wouldn't have bothered making this thread. Wow. That is the response of this game's players? And i thought the Call of Duty fanboys were immature and a-holes... Alrighty then.
Crashy Mc Boom-bewm Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 1	Posted - 2013.08.01 14:35:00 - [4] - Quote I-Dont-Wipe My BUTT wrote: Played this game briefly during the open beta. Forgot about it. Then saw an article on JOYSTIQ about MMOs on consoles and thought I'd try it again to see what changes have been made since I was last here. Amazingly small map. Only one map at that. 8 vs 8 deathmatch only battles. The game area is too small and the match is over in less than 5 minutes. I'm completely underwhelmed. I thought "FREE REALMS" and "HAPPY WARS" were bad, but this is much worse. It's ok, after u get out of the academy(which they shouldn't have changed) you get into,it turns into 16 by 16 and skirmish and domination are options and there's more and bigger maps, honestly I don't see why they made this change, I liked the academy the way it was
SIRAJKNIGHT Dakusuri Assassins 179	Posted - 2013.08.01 14:46:00 - [5] - Quote I-Dont-Wipe My BUTT wrote: Played this game briefly during the open beta. Forgot about it. Then saw an article on JOYSTIQ about MMOs on consoles and thought I'd try it again to see what changes have been made since I was last here. Amazingly small map. Only one map at that. 8 vs 8 deathmatch only battles. The game area is too small and the match is over in less than 5 minutes. I'm completely underwhelmed. I thought "FREE REALMS" and "HAPPY WARS" were bad, but this is much worse. Nice username
TheEnd762 Algintal Core Gallente Federation 124	Posted - 2013.08.01 14:54:00 - [6] - Quote Gotta crawl before you can walk there, berry.
Shattered Mirage The Enclave Syndicate Dark Taboo 46	Posted - 2013.08.01 15:02:00 - [7] - Quote I-Dont-Wipe My BUTT wrote: Oso Peresoso wrote: I don't believe you, because if that was true you wouldn't have bothered making this thread. Wow. That is the response of this game's players? And i thought the Call of Duty fanboys were immature and a-holes... Alrighty then. Its because you're still in the Battle Academy.
Absolute Idiom II Greatness Achieved Through Training EoN. 287	Posted - 2013.08.01 15:04:00 - [8] - Quote Your complaint is about the Battle Academy. It's a poor NPE to have only a single map again and again until you hit an invisible tier at which point you are forced into the rest of the maps. Instead, rather than being the only option the Battle Academy should be an Instant Battle choice available only for New Players. That way they can insulate themselves from pubstomps but venture out when ready.
Meeko Fent Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 473	Posted - 2013.08.01 15:49:00 - [9] - Quote I-Dont-Wipe My BUTT wrote: Oso Peresoso wrote: I don't believe you, because if that was true you wouldn't have bothered making this thread. Wow. That is the response of this game's players? And i thought the Call of Duty fanboys were immature and a-holes... Alrighty then. You'll realize that every shooter outside of Indy shooters have people like that. They faqed up the academy in 1.3. Just keep playing until you get outta the academy. Gets worse
low genius the sound of freedom Renegade Alliance 240	Posted - 2013.08.01 16:24:00 - [10] - Quote I-Dont-Wipe My BUTT wrote: Played this game briefly during the open beta. Forgot about it. Then saw an article on JOYSTIQ about MMOs on consoles and thought I'd try it again to see what changes have been made since I was last here. Amazingly small map. Only one map at that. 8 vs 8 deathmatch only battles. The game area is too small and the match is over in less than 5 minutes. I'm completely underwhelmed. I thought "FREE REALMS" and "HAPPY WARS" were bad, but this is much worse. it doesn't seem very much like you know what you're talking about.
Oso Peresoso RisingSuns 477	Posted - 2013.08.01 16:28:00 - [11] - Quote I-Dont-Wipe My BUTT wrote: Oso Peresoso wrote: I don't believe you, because if that was true you wouldn't have bothered making this thread. Wow. That is the response of this game's players? And i thought the Call of Duty fanboys were immature and a-holes... Alrighty then. You're the one that played for 20 minutes and decided to make a complaint thread, but I'm the immature a-hole because I think its a troll? also, character name...
BL4CKST4R warravens League of Infamy 865	Posted - 2013.08.01 17:04:00 - [12] - Quote I-Dont-Wipe My BUTT wrote: Oso Peresoso wrote: I don't believe you, because if that was true you wouldn't have bothered making this thread. Wow. That is the response of this game's players? And i thought the Call of Duty fanboys were immature and a-holes... Alrighty then. Yet your name is I Dont-Wipe My BUTT. Who is immature again?
GIANT Scratch Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2013.08.01 17:11:00 - [13] - Quote I played academy last night. There wasn't even 1 map, It's ONE outpost, with roughly 100m outside until the redline. The 8v8 Ambush shows nothing to a new player about the game. I decided to start calling in Soma's and teaching my teams how to use them, to try make thing better. The new changes to the academy are pathetic. New players learn: Nothing about different maps(vantage points, chokes, sniper spots, nothing) Nothing about team co-ordination or teamwork Nothing about objectives, holding/pressing,taking. Nothing about roles Just aim and click. I feel CCP have messed up on this one, I got 6 matches in (8v8, 25 clone matches) and sat at 2200 WP. The new style prolongs how long new players are in there, which would be good, except its boring. 1 location, over and over and over and over. pathetic. Way to sell your game to the new player CCP.
Sgt Buttscratch G I A N T EoN. 578	Posted - 2013.08.01 17:13:00 - [14] - Quote sorry didn't realise I had my alt selected...
Cross Atu Conspiratus Immortalis Covert Intervention 1370	Posted - 2013.08.01 18:35:00 - [15] - Quote I-Dont-Wipe My BUTT wrote: Played this game briefly during the open beta. Forgot about it. Then saw an article on JOYSTIQ about MMOs on consoles and thought I'd try it again to see what changes have been made since I was last here. Amazingly small map. Only one map at that. 8 vs 8 deathmatch only battles. The game area is too small and the match is over in less than 5 minutes. I'm completely underwhelmed. I thought "FREE REALMS" and "HAPPY WARS" were bad, but this is much worse. Complete the "Academy" portion of the game and things open up. The play type you describe is a recent change (one I honestly don't really support) to the training matches portion of the game which is a one time aspect until your toon reaches 10k lifetime WP. After that there are three match types with 16v16 teams and then FW and PC battles on top of that. The new player experience does need work, but it's far from the full scope or value of the game. Stick around for a bit and give the real game a try, don't judge it on the tutorial alone. Cheers, Cross
Sgt Buttscratch G I A N T EoN. 579	Posted - 2013.08.01 18:40:00 - [16] - Quote Cross Atu wrote: I-Dont-Wipe My BUTT wrote: Played this game briefly during the open beta. Forgot about it. Then saw an article on JOYSTIQ about MMOs on consoles and thought I'd try it again to see what changes have been made since I was last here. Amazingly small map. Only one map at that. 8 vs 8 deathmatch only battles. The game area is too small and the match is over in less than 5 minutes. I'm completely underwhelmed. I thought "FREE REALMS" and "HAPPY WARS" were bad, but this is much worse. Complete the "Academy" portion of the game and things open up. The play type you describe is a recent change (one I honestly don't really support) to the training matches portion of the game which is a one time aspect until your toon reaches 10k lifetime WP. After that there are three match types with 16v16 teams and then FW and PC battles on top of that. The new player experience does need work, but it's far from the full scope or value of the game. Stick around for a bit and give the real game a try, don't judge it on the tutorial alone. Cheers, Cross But surely, It needs to capture new players, by at least giving them a small glimpse of what is to come, If i had started to that, I woulda been gone. It's poor, and I from what I was hearing on the mics last night, not everyone is wandering about life outside academy, I had multiple questions asked about the Maps, vehicles, game modes. New players need to see more tan 1 slimmed down game mode on a slimmed down map, 30 times over before seing the actual game, It's like CCP is tryoing to break their will.
Cross Atu Conspiratus Immortalis Covert Intervention 1371	Posted - 2013.08.01 18:56:00 - [17] - Quote Sgt Buttscratch wrote: Cross Atu wrote: I-Dont-Wipe My BUTT wrote: Played this game briefly during the open beta. Forgot about it. Then saw an article on JOYSTIQ about MMOs on consoles and thought I'd try it again to see what changes have been made since I was last here. Amazingly small map. Only one map at that. 8 vs 8 deathmatch only battles. The game area is too small and the match is over in less than 5 minutes. I'm completely underwhelmed. I thought "FREE REALMS" and "HAPPY WARS" were bad, but this is much worse. Complete the "Academy" portion of the game and things open up. The play type you describe is a recent change (one I honestly don't really support) to the training matches portion of the game which is a one time aspect until your toon reaches 10k lifetime WP. After that there are three match types with 16v16 teams and then FW and PC battles on top of that. The new player experience does need work, but it's far from the full scope or value of the game. Stick around for a bit and give the real game a try, don't judge it on the tutorial alone. Cheers, Cross But surely, It needs to capture new players, by at least giving them a small glimpse of what is to come, If i had started to that, I woulda been gone. It's poor, and I from what I was hearing on the mics last night, not everyone is wandering about life outside academy, I had multiple questions asked about the Maps, vehicles, game modes. New players need to see more tan 1 slimmed down game mode on a slimmed down map, 30 times over before seing the actual game, It's like CCP is tryoing to break their will. I completely agree that the system currently in place needs improvement, if for no other reason than because it does not accurately represent the game nor does it adequately prepare new players for participation upon their exit. I'm also not a fan of the recent changes to the Academy system which watered it down so much. The tutorials generally, the Academy specifically, and the recruiting system as well all need improvements to support and engage new players more fully and effectively. For more details on my ideas regarding these things check out the following links. Recruiting system New Player Experience; #1, #2 0.02 ISK Cross
Pje251296 KILL ORDERS 101	Posted - 2013.08.01 19:16:00 - [18] - Quote Skim Junction is the only map being used for Academy is bit boring. Let the newbies have new maps to try out.

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