The AR is a short range weapon. It is a plasma weapon and theoretically should be the shortest of all assault rifle variants.

Yeees ... and what about the topic of the sights ?

I totally agree. All the iron sights need to go and be replaced with something better. Red dot is a great start...

On the note of weapon customization, being se to customize scopes would be pretty awesome, even if we did have to sacrifice increased CPU/PG costs for the better scopes. Either way it'd be worth it and make the guns play a little better. The main ones I'm talking about are the regular ARs and LRs.

OK Since I started to play this amazing game one thing keeps pounding my restless mind ...

In a universe where technology is beyond the comprehention of many of us , where spacecraft are capable of reaching speeds hundreds of times the speed of light , universe where every law of nature physics and mathematics is easily breakable ...

HOW exactly do you justify world war 2 iron sights on weapons

I understand that the game is in developement , but those iron sights should not have been in the game in the first place .

Like ... cmon I pick my laser gun wich looks and shoots beams of concentrated light particle and aim down a WW2 SHOTGUN SIGHT

That really breakes the looks of the game for me ... It's like I am playing FALLOUT or something Artsy like that , in a universe where car models are from the 50's but they are using nuclear engines ha-ha-ha

Seriously I hope CCP adds some proper sights and MORE VARIATION in weapon models ... cause atm there are like 30 assault rifle each and everyone of them looks exactly the same with slight color variations and by slight I mean 3 colors

CCP has proven (EVE online) that they have some godlike art stylists / painters /3D modelers and everything else needed to make a model of a 3D gun ... if that staff mobilies (considering their ability to draw incredible complex 2,5 KM long ships) It won't be a problem to draw and make several slightly different 3D models of a gun and slap on them the existing animations right ?

Thanks CCP for all that you've done so far but really It's in the little things , things that keep console players interested . U can not expect the lazy console players to have the same patience that we EVE players have

Hasa

OK Since I started to play this amazing game one thing keeps pounding my restless mind ...

In a universe where technology is beyond the comprehention of many of us , where spacecraft are capable of reaching speeds hundreds of times the speed of light , universe where every law of nature physics and mathematics is easily breakable ...

HOW exactly do you justify world war 2 iron sights on weapons

I understand that the game is in developement , but those iron sights should not have been in the game in the first place .

Like ... cmon I pick my laser gun wich looks and shoots beams of concentrated light particle and aim down a WW2 SHOTGUN SIGHT

That really breakes the looks of the game for me ... It's like I am playing FALLOUT or something Artsy like that , in a universe where car models are from the 50's but they are using nuclear engines ha-ha-ha

Seriously I hope CCP adds some proper sights and MORE VARIATION in weapon models ... cause atm there are like 30 assault rifle each and everyone of them looks exactly the same with slight color variations and by slight I mean 3 colors

CCP has proven (EVE online) that they have some godlike art stylists / painters /3D modelers and everything else needed to make a model of a 3D gun ... if that staff mobilies (considering their ability to draw incredible complex 2,5 KM long ships) It won't be a problem to draw and make several slightly different 3D models of a gun and slap on them the existing animations right ?

Thanks CCP for all that you've done so far but really It's in the little things , things that keep console players interested . U can not expect the lazy console players to have the same patience that we EVE players have

Hasa

CCP can you move this to the request feedback section AND title it [Request] Iron Sights ?

That would help this thread a bit

Yes I was wondering if I am to post in the REQUESTS section but I wanted to see how people respond to the issue . I was not sure that there other people that feel the same as me about the iron sights :)

I am not against better sights but I am against better sights as standard. With the exception of the laser rifle and the plasma cannon, current sights are fine.

Iron sights have been used for over 100 years to great effect at ranges well beyond what we have in DUST. They are cheap, easy to use, and nearly indestructible. But most importantly, they're cheap. When you need to arm hundreds of thousands of soldiers, you don't give them top of the line optics, they get the cheapest thing you can find that will work every time. That's just economics.

To give you a comparison, a quality set of iron sights for a modern assault rifle will run you about $100 US. A quality red dot that will hold zero on impact and not break under typical grunt abuse is more like $500. Assuming you have a quarter of a million individuals that need rifles, it would cost you an additional $100 million to give them red dots over irons.

Now consider that many of those individuals will probably never fire their weapon in combat because they have jobs in rear supply type positions. Is it really with it?

tl;dr yes give us better sights but only with weapon customization. No to better standard sights.

Great comment , wrong game tho :D This ain Battlefield
Let me ellaborate on that :
You are comparing a war in the future in a universe colonised and explored (with unlimited resources) where ships go 400 times the speed of light and you can shoot projectiles hundreds of kilometers away with dead on accuracy using GODLIKE technology , with MERCS advertised for their IMMORTALITY due to using increadible suffisticated technology that (at least in eve) costs hundreds of thousands if not MILLIONS of ISK per death .... you are comparing that with a conventional WAR on this planet of ours , a war and an army of a civilasation that invented the modern assault rifle 100 years ago ???

The game advertises that those clones are using the best they can to colonise planets as fast as possible .
Once you colonise a GALAXY with a bunch of IMMORTAL clones ... 200 bucks MORE for a better sight on a weapon wouldn't be a problem won't you say mate ;)

Your argument is invalid ...

+ I am offering a temporary solution . Once they impliment the costumization CCP can revert back to stock iron sights ;)

I am not against better sights but I am against better sights as standard. With the exception of the laser rifle and the plasma cannon, current sights are fine.

Iron sights have been used for over 100 years to great effect at ranges well beyond what we have in DUST. They are cheap, easy to use, and nearly indestructible. But most importantly, they're cheap. When you need to arm hundreds of thousands of soldiers, you don't give them top of the line optics, they get the cheapest thing you can find that will work every time. That's just economics.

To give you a comparison, a quality set of iron sights for a modern assault rifle will run you about $100 US. A quality red dot that will hold zero on impact and not break under typical grunt abuse is more like $500. Assuming you have a quarter of a million individuals that need rifles, it would cost you an additional $100 million to give them red dots over irons.

Now consider that many of those individuals will probably never fire their weapon in combat because they have jobs in rear supply type positions. Is it really with it?

tl;dr yes give us better sights but only with weapon customization. No to better standard sights.

I am not against better sights but I am against better sights as standard. With the exception of the laser rifle and the plasma cannon, current sights are fine.

Iron sights have been used for over 100 years to great effect at ranges well beyond what we have in DUST. They are cheap, easy to use, and nearly indestructible. But most importantly, they're cheap. When you need to arm hundreds of thousands of soldiers, you don't give them top of the line optics, they get the cheapest thing you can find that will work every time. That's just economics.

To give you a comparison, a quality set of iron sights for a modern assault rifle will run you about $100 US. A quality red dot that will hold zero on impact and not break under typical grunt abuse is more like $500. Assuming you have a quarter of a million individuals that need rifles, it would cost you an additional $100 million to give them red dots over irons.

Now consider that many of those individuals will probably never fire their weapon in combat because they have jobs in rear supply type positions. Is it really with it?

tl;dr yes give us better sights but only with weapon customization. No to better standard sights.

So you are saying that when factions from 20,000 years in the future , that control dozens of planets and space stations; they can't figure out how to fund red dot sights or make guns have built in sights?

I think I heard that sights are standard issue in the US military , I think a US marine can confirm it or not.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FEGWas0i7KE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HURC79ovHe0

Marines qualify with iron sights.. Because every Marine is a rifleman first. Marines spend more time than any other branch learning to shoot.

Actually many US servicemen have to buy their own optics. Only a few units can get them in significant numbers.

Also, optics break, they lose zero, batteries die, tritium dims out, fiber optics lose light and don't work, holographic sights can be seen by your target. Iron sights don't have these problems very often. And if they do then more often then not the cause of it also damaged the weapon beyond a point where it can be safely shot. I know this because I have experienced every single one of these problems and the only thing you can fix quickly in the field is changing batteries.

And EMP? Really? We can shield electronics from EMP now, why has this ability suddenly vanished in New Eden?

@Zekain Kade: I'm not saying that we shouldn't have them. I'm just saying that they shouldn't be standard. And ccp shouldn't slap a band-aid on by making it standard now and taking it away later. Just save it for weapon customization.