DUST Search - Iron Sights ?

Hasa Hakira wrote:

Crow Splat wrote:

I am not against better sights but I am against better sights as standard. With the exception of the laser rifle and the plasma cannon, current sights are fine.

Iron sights have been used for over 100 years to great effect at ranges well beyond what we have in DUST. They are cheap, easy to use, and nearly indestructible. But most importantly, they're cheap. When you need to arm hundreds of thousands of soldiers, you don't give them top of the line optics, they get the cheapest thing you can find that will work every time. That's just economics.

To give you a comparison, a quality set of iron sights for a modern assault rifle will run you about $100 US. A quality red dot that will hold zero on impact and not break under typical grunt abuse is more like $500. Assuming you have a quarter of a million individuals that need rifles, it would cost you an additional $100 million to give them red dots over irons.

Now consider that many of those individuals will probably never fire their weapon in combat because they have jobs in rear supply type positions. Is it really with it?

tl;dr yes give us better sights but only with weapon customization. No to better standard sights.

Great comment , wrong game tho :D This ain Battlefield
Let me ellaborate on that :
You are comparing a war in the future in a universe colonised and explored (with unlimited resources) where ships go 400 times the speed of light and you can shoot projectiles hundreds of kilometers away with dead on accuracy using GODLIKE technology , with MERCS advertised for their IMMORTALITY due to using increadible suffisticated technology that (at least in eve) costs hundreds of thousands if not MILLIONS of ISK per death .... you are comparing that with a conventional WAR on this planet of ours , a war and an army of a civilasation that invented the modern assault rifle 100 years ago ???

The game advertises that those clones are using the best they can to colonise planets as fast as possible .
Once you colonise a GALAXY with a bunch of IMMORTAL clones ... 200 bucks MORE for a better sight on a weapon wouldn't be a problem won't you say mate ;)

Your argument is invalid ...


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Hasa Hakira Dust2Dust. Top Men. 1	Posted - 2013.08.01 11:12:00 - [1] - Quote OK Since I started to play this amazing game one thing keeps pounding my restless mind ... In a universe where technology is beyond the comprehention of many of us , where spacecraft are capable of reaching speeds hundreds of times the speed of light , universe where every law of nature physics and mathematics is easily breakable ... HOW exactly do you justify world war 2 iron sights on weapons I understand that the game is in developement , but those iron sights should not have been in the game in the first place . Like ... cmon I pick my laser gun wich looks and shoots beams of concentrated light particle and aim down a WW2 SHOTGUN SIGHT That really breakes the looks of the game for me ... It's like I am playing FALLOUT or something Artsy like that , in a universe where car models are from the 50's but they are using nuclear engines ha-ha-ha Seriously I hope CCP adds some proper sights and MORE VARIATION in weapon models ... cause atm there are like 30 assault rifle each and everyone of them looks exactly the same with slight color variations and by slight I mean 3 colors
Hasa Hakira Dust2Dust. Top Men. 3	Posted - 2013.08.01 11:33:00 - [2] - Quote Beren Hurin wrote: The AR is a short range weapon. It is a plasma weapon and theoretically should be the shortest of all assault rifle variants. Yeees ... and what about the topic of the sights ?
Hasa Hakira Dust2Dust. Top Men. 6	Posted - 2013.08.01 14:45:00 - [3] - Quote STABBEY wrote: CCP can you move this to the request feedback section AND title it [Request] Iron Sights ? That would help this thread a bit Yes I was wondering if I am to post in the REQUESTS section but I wanted to see how people respond to the issue . I was not sure that there other people that feel the same as me about the iron sights :)
Hasa Hakira Dust2Dust. Top Men. 9	Posted - 2013.08.01 15:21:00 - [4] - Quote Just to clarify my position towards the topic . I know that CCP has in plan to put weapon costumization and I am not rushing them . I understand that this is a complicated process and needs alot of testing and balancing . A system like that is fragile and needs time to get working properly . What I really want to see is a temporary fix to the "outdated and uncomfortable sights" that we have right now . My suggestion would be to give us more diversity and improve the STOCK sights that we have right now . More importantly make weapons and sights unique in the way they look and possible in the way they perform (the sights) . My idea is to make the weapons like ships in EVE . A standard ship and then the advanced ones use the same hull but look diferent in various ways . It is not too much work and it will be worth it CCP , I am sure of it . Then on those models slap slightly diferent sights . Even the color on the DOT on the sight will give a form of diversity and players will look forward using diferent types of weapons more often They will start using what ever suits them best . + You will somewhat fix a problem that is kinda unique for this game ... = there is really no visual feeling of progress in DUST 514 due to everything basicly looking the same with small exceptions . Suits look almost the same , sometimes even exactly the same . U play 2-3 weeks to progress from standart to advanced caldari assault suit and then u put it on = no diference in looks . SAME goes for the weapons ... Many assault rifles = all with the exact same model EVEN COLLORS ... If you change this many players will join back the game , new players will gave a reason to stay and veterans will feel rewarded for their patience I hope my message connects guys . Make topics about this stuff and they will hear us . Tho I doubt that they don't have a single person in CCP quarters that already told them what I just wrote here .
Hasa Hakira Dust2Dust. Top Men. 9	Posted - 2013.08.01 16:14:00 - [5] - Quote Crow Splat wrote: I am not against better sights but I am against better sights as standard. With the exception of the laser rifle and the plasma cannon, current sights are fine. Iron sights have been used for over 100 years to great effect at ranges well beyond what we have in DUST. They are cheap, easy to use, and nearly indestructible. But most importantly, they're cheap. When you need to arm hundreds of thousands of soldiers, you don't give them top of the line optics, they get the cheapest thing you can find that will work every time. That's just economics. To give you a comparison, a quality set of iron sights for a modern assault rifle will run you about $100 US. A quality red dot that will hold zero on impact and not break under typical grunt abuse is more like $500. Assuming you have a quarter of a million individuals that need rifles, it would cost you an additional $100 million to give them red dots over irons. Now consider that many of those individuals will probably never fire their weapon in combat because they have jobs in rear supply type positions. Is it really with it? tl;dr yes give us better sights but only with weapon customization. No to better standard sights. Great comment , wrong game tho :D This ain Battlefield Let me ellaborate on that : You are comparing a war in the future in a universe colonised and explored (with unlimited resources) where ships go 400 times the speed of light and you can shoot projectiles hundreds of kilometers away with dead on accuracy using GODLIKE technology , with MERCS advertised for their IMMORTALITY due to using increadible suffisticated technology that (at least in eve) costs hundreds of thousands if not MILLIONS of ISK per death .... you are comparing that with a conventional WAR on this planet of ours , a war and an army of a civilasation that invented the modern assault rifle 100 years ago ??? The game advertises that those clones are using the best they can to colonise planets as fast as possible . Once you colonise a GALAXY with a bunch of IMMORTAL clones ... 200 bucks MORE for a better sight on a weapon wouldn't be a problem won't you say mate ;) Your argument is invalid ...
Hasa Hakira Dust2Dust. Top Men. 10	Posted - 2013.08.01 16:21:00 - [6] - Quote Hasa Hakira wrote: Crow Splat wrote: I am not against better sights but I am against better sights as standard. With the exception of the laser rifle and the plasma cannon, current sights are fine. Iron sights have been used for over 100 years to great effect at ranges well beyond what we have in DUST. They are cheap, easy to use, and nearly indestructible. But most importantly, they're cheap. When you need to arm hundreds of thousands of soldiers, you don't give them top of the line optics, they get the cheapest thing you can find that will work every time. That's just economics. To give you a comparison, a quality set of iron sights for a modern assault rifle will run you about $100 US. A quality red dot that will hold zero on impact and not break under typical grunt abuse is more like $500. Assuming you have a quarter of a million individuals that need rifles, it would cost you an additional $100 million to give them red dots over irons. Now consider that many of those individuals will probably never fire their weapon in combat because they have jobs in rear supply type positions. Is it really with it? tl;dr yes give us better sights but only with weapon customization. No to better standard sights. Great comment , wrong game tho :D This ain Battlefield Let me ellaborate on that : You are comparing a war in the future in a universe colonised and explored (with unlimited resources) where ships go 400 times the speed of light and you can shoot projectiles hundreds of kilometers away with dead on accuracy using GODLIKE technology , with MERCS advertised for their IMMORTALITY due to using increadible suffisticated technology that (at least in eve) costs hundreds of thousands if not MILLIONS of ISK per death .... you are comparing that with a conventional WAR on this planet of ours , a war and an army of a civilasation that invented the modern assault rifle 100 years ago ??? The game advertises that those clones are using the best they can to colonise planets as fast as possible . Once you colonise a GALAXY with a bunch of IMMORTAL clones ... 200 bucks MORE for a better sight on a weapon wouldn't be a problem won't you say mate ;) Your argument is invalid ... + I am offering a temporary solution . Once they impliment the costumization CCP can revert back to stock iron sights ;)
Hasa Hakira Dust2Dust. Top Men. 12	Posted - 2013.08.02 08:57:00 - [7] - Quote The topic is not about how usefull an iron sight COULD be in the future ... It is a bout the LACK of choise regarding the matter . We can pay hundreds of thousands of ISK per FIT and we can't get a normal sight/scope on our weapons . . . = this is BS and you guys know it ... Every SCI-FI fan would tell you how ridiculus this iron sight ** is in conquering planets hundreds of light years away ... Next thing you will see is 1400 mm projectile artillery turrets that are aimed with a huge X for a sight on top of them .... And resources in eve are not limited anywhere pal ... especially in NULL ... where there are literaly hundreds of thousands of asteroid BELTS that noone touches ... The cash you make in DUST as a merc per MONTH is = to the cash an average eve player an make in 1-4 hours easily ... So don't talk to me about resources and lack of money .... that is a *** excuse to keep ALL THE WEAPONRY crippled and hold the game BACK IN THE PAST ... Do you really think that a CLONE that buys a 200 000 ISK suit + fit would use IRON SIGHTS on his weapon TO SAVE MONEY ??? Or maybe because "the sight is not going to brake" WTF is this ??? WE ARE NOT ROLE PLAYING ... ITS an FPS GAME for F SAKES GOD there are some people here in the forums that really LIKE TO HOLD THE GAME BACK ... and make no real improvement what so ever to it ... only thing most of those people do is WHINE how underpowered overpowered a weapon is and refuse to look at the big picture which is that we have a HALF game at the moment ... The game is so unfinished that talking about balance is literarly USELESS endevor ... That last patch 1.3 was complete BS ... 30 MB patch ?! CCP patches that are 1.5 1.6 2.0 THEY CARRY BIG IMPROVEMENT that 1.3 patch that you gave us is more a 1.21 .... Seriously guys (here in the forums and CCP) get your head out of the sand and gives us REAL CONTENT ... One patch you give the Lazer rifle a sight NEXT PATCH you remove it and slap an iron sight THEN you realise how rediculus this is and NOW in 1.4 you are again giving it a red dot sight .... WAY TO MAKE PROGRESS ....
Hasa Hakira Dust2Dust. Top Men. 12	Posted - 2013.08.02 09:11:00 - [8] - Quote THAT my friends is the FUTURE = http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9ZlFYUXcV8 And what we are playing at the moment is WORLD WAR 2 with concept weapons
Hasa Hakira Dust2Dust. Top Men. 12	Posted - 2013.08.02 11:06:00 - [9] - Quote Ronan Elsword wrote: Customization of your guns is a need in my opinion. However not a necessity at the moment. Many more important things to do. I totaly understand and I agreed with that in my initial post . I am against rushing the costumization , HOWEVER I am for IMPROVING THE stock sights in some way