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Crow Splat
DUST University Ivy League
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Posted - 2013.08.01 15:59:00 -
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I am not against better sights but I am against better sights as standard. With the exception of the laser rifle and the plasma cannon, current sights are fine.
Iron sights have been used for over 100 years to great effect at ranges well beyond what we have in DUST. They are cheap, easy to use, and nearly indestructible. But most importantly, they're cheap. When you need to arm hundreds of thousands of soldiers, you don't give them top of the line optics, they get the cheapest thing you can find that will work every time. That's just economics.
To give you a comparison, a quality set of iron sights for a modern assault rifle will run you about $100 US. A quality red dot that will hold zero on impact and not break under typical grunt abuse is more like $500. Assuming you have a quarter of a million individuals that need rifles, it would cost you an additional $100 million to give them red dots over irons.
Now consider that many of those individuals will probably never fire their weapon in combat because they have jobs in rear supply type positions. Is it really with it?
tl;dr yes give us better sights but only with weapon customization. No to better standard sights. |
Crow Splat
DUST University Ivy League
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Posted - 2013.08.01 18:57:00 -
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Hasa Hakira wrote:Hasa Hakira wrote:Crow Splat wrote:I am not against better sights but I am against better sights as standard. With the exception of the laser rifle and the plasma cannon, current sights are fine.
Iron sights have been used for over 100 years to great effect at ranges well beyond what we have in DUST. They are cheap, easy to use, and nearly indestructible. But most importantly, they're cheap. When you need to arm hundreds of thousands of soldiers, you don't give them top of the line optics, they get the cheapest thing you can find that will work every time. That's just economics.
To give you a comparison, a quality set of iron sights for a modern assault rifle will run you about $100 US. A quality red dot that will hold zero on impact and not break under typical grunt abuse is more like $500. Assuming you have a quarter of a million individuals that need rifles, it would cost you an additional $100 million to give them red dots over irons.
Now consider that many of those individuals will probably never fire their weapon in combat because they have jobs in rear supply type positions. Is it really with it?
tl;dr yes give us better sights but only with weapon customization. No to better standard sights. Great comment , wrong game tho :D This ain Battlefield Let me ellaborate on that : You are comparing a war in the future in a universe colonised and explored (with unlimited resources) where ships go 400 times the speed of light and you can shoot projectiles hundreds of kilometers away with dead on accuracy using GODLIKE technology , with MERCS advertised for their IMMORTALITY due to using increadible suffisticated technology that (at least in eve) costs hundreds of thousands if not MILLIONS of ISK per death .... you are comparing that with a conventional WAR on this planet of ours , a war and an army of a civilasation that invented the modern assault rifle 100 years ago ??? The game advertises that those clones are using the best they can to colonise planets as fast as possible . Once you colonise a GALAXY with a bunch of IMMORTAL clones ... 200 bucks MORE for a better sight on a weapon wouldn't be a problem won't you say mate ;) Your argument is invalid ... + I am offering a temporary solution . Once they impliment the costumization CCP can revert back to stock iron sights ;)
First, changing sights and then reverting back would only **** customers off. No one wants to buy a rifle that works a certain way only to have it change dramatically overnight and get charged again to make it work the way it used to.
Second, are you telling me that in a universe run by corporations and in a game where risk vs. reward and making money are primary goals, that we shouldn't care about maximizing profit? The technological level of the setting has no bearing on economics. The bottom line is that you don't need a $10 tool to do a -ó5 job. Iron sights work so why would you need anything more? That's how a corporation sees it, and that's how I see things everyday at my REAL job. If I went and got my employees all really nice work gloves and brand new boots and sunglasses and anything else they wanted, whenever they wanted it, I would be unemployed real fast. That's what you're saying corps in New Eden do and that is false.
And unlimited resources? Have you played EVE? If so, have you ever been out to nullsec? Resources may seem unlimited if all you do is sit in Jita and scam all day, but in 0.0, finding a specific item can be a PITA.
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Crow Splat
DUST University Ivy League
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Posted - 2013.08.02 02:20:00 -
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Avinash Decker wrote:Crow Splat wrote:I am not against better sights but I am against better sights as standard. With the exception of the laser rifle and the plasma cannon, current sights are fine.
Iron sights have been used for over 100 years to great effect at ranges well beyond what we have in DUST. They are cheap, easy to use, and nearly indestructible. But most importantly, they're cheap. When you need to arm hundreds of thousands of soldiers, you don't give them top of the line optics, they get the cheapest thing you can find that will work every time. That's just economics.
To give you a comparison, a quality set of iron sights for a modern assault rifle will run you about $100 US. A quality red dot that will hold zero on impact and not break under typical grunt abuse is more like $500. Assuming you have a quarter of a million individuals that need rifles, it would cost you an additional $100 million to give them red dots over irons.
Now consider that many of those individuals will probably never fire their weapon in combat because they have jobs in rear supply type positions. Is it really with it?
tl;dr yes give us better sights but only with weapon customization. No to better standard sights. So you are saying that when factions from 20,000 years in the future , that control dozens of planets and space stations; they can't figure out how to fund red dot sights or make guns have built in sights? I think I heard that sights are standard issue in the US military , I think a US marine can confirm it or not. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FEGWas0i7KEhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HURC79ovHe0 Marines qualify with iron sights.. Because every Marine is a rifleman first. Marines spend more time than any other branch learning to shoot.
Actually many US servicemen have to buy their own optics. Only a few units can get them in significant numbers.
Also, optics break, they lose zero, batteries die, tritium dims out, fiber optics lose light and don't work, holographic sights can be seen by your target. Iron sights don't have these problems very often. And if they do then more often then not the cause of it also damaged the weapon beyond a point where it can be safely shot. I know this because I have experienced every single one of these problems and the only thing you can fix quickly in the field is changing batteries.
And EMP? Really? We can shield electronics from EMP now, why has this ability suddenly vanished in New Eden?
@Zekain Kade: I'm not saying that we shouldn't have them. I'm just saying that they shouldn't be standard. And ccp shouldn't slap a band-aid on by making it standard now and taking it away later. Just save it for weapon customization. |
Crow Splat
DUST University Ivy League
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Posted - 2013.08.02 13:01:00 -
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You keep saying WW2 sights like that's a bad thing. WW2 sights were just as accurate at set ranges as iron sights today at a single known distance. The leaf sights that were common in the '30s and '40s are actually more accurate when engaging targets at varying ranges than modern sights. Many were adjustable out to 2000 meters even though no one in their right mind should ever try to shoot out that far with one of those rifles.
Iron sights are a fine baseline. Think KISS. Keep It Simple Stupid. Iron sights are as simple as it gets. |
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