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Cody Sietz
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Posted - 2013.08.01 02:12:00 -
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Depending which, it means caldari and Gallente with get MD like weapons, or Minmatar will get a real AV weapon.
Just curious. |
FATPrincess - XOXO
Shining Flame Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.08.01 02:15:00 -
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Plasma Cannon should be like the swarm, intended for AV.
MD is like the laser rifle, sniper and shotgun.
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Doc Noah
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.08.01 02:49:00 -
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Plasma cannon was CCP's attempt at creating a literal "hybrid" of MD and light weapon AV. |
Soldner VonKuechle
SAM-MIK
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Posted - 2013.08.01 04:17:00 -
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Doc Noah wrote:Plasma cannon was CCP's attempt at creating a literal "hybrid" of MD and light weapon AV.
Its not terribbllllleeee...sometimes... i usually go 2:1, sometimes 3:1 if its a odd match. But buffing even just projectile speed of the plasma ball would be great. I mean its A FLYING BALL OF PLASMA FFS! |
Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
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Posted - 2013.08.01 04:47:00 -
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Yup. |
G Felix
Federated Consultants PMC
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Posted - 2013.08.01 05:10:00 -
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As is the PC plays much more like a MD than Swarms. It falls far short of Packed AV 'nades in AV performance. It actually functions much more like a MD/Shotgun hybrid in my experience.
It's like a really slow, REALLY visible Mass Driver projectile with the slowest reload ever. But it's fun because people tend not to have a lot of familiarity facing the weapon and the reactions can be priceless. A startling amount of players have never even seen one used, as I repeatedly hear on coms when I bust out the plasma nonsense. |
ladwar
Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn
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Posted - 2013.08.01 05:13:00 -
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Cody Sietz wrote:Depending which, it means caldari and Gallente with get MD like weapons, or Minmatar will get a real AV weapon.
Just curious. oh its the bigger version of the MD, its not really meant for the AV kindof like te flaylock, its the baby version of the SL, no really it is. |
DJINN leukoplast
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
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Posted - 2013.08.01 05:31:00 -
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Doc Noah wrote:Plasma cannon was CCP's attempt at creating a literal "hybrid" of MD and light weapon AV.
And it fails at both roles, quite badly. It's ever so slightly useful against infantry, but totally useless against vehicles that arent paper thin (only std LAV's get damage that is worth anything).
PC is great if you can land a direct hit, as I don't think any suit can withstand 1000+ damage, but forget about getting reliable splash damage. From my experience, the odds of getting a hit-marker from firing into a tightly packed blob of reds, is about 1 in 5.
A few times the PC has surprised me when facing LLAV's, as it almost knocked their shields down to nothing with a single hit. Was probably a noob LLAV or one that was primary armor tanked. Most times though, a hit on a LLAV results in such a small amount of damage done, it's almost visually imperceivable on their health bar. |
G Felix
Federated Consultants PMC
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Posted - 2013.08.01 05:55:00 -
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DJINN leukoplast wrote:Doc Noah wrote:Plasma cannon was CCP's attempt at creating a literal "hybrid" of MD and light weapon AV. And it fails at both roles, quite badly. It's ever so slightly useful against infantry, but totally useless against vehicles that arent paper thin (only std LAV's get damage that is worth anything). PC is great if you can land a direct hit, as I don't think any suit can withstand 1000+ damage, but forget about getting reliable splash damage. From my experience, the odds of getting a hit-marker from firing into a tightly packed blob of reds, is about 1 in 5. A few times the PC has surprised me when facing LLAV's, as it almost knocked their shields down to nothing with a single hit. Was probably a noob LLAV or one that was primary armor tanked. Most times though, a hit on a LLAV results in such a small amount of damage done, it's almost visually imperceivable on their health bar.
You sell the PC short. Yes it fails spectacularly against LAV's because of the slow projectile speed, and lacks the SL's ability to fire from cover against HAV's, it's not terribad against infantry. The splash can wipe out a scout, a direct hit takes out all but the heaviest of heavies, and a little practice goes a long way in dealing with the arc and projectile speed.
That said, I'm the first to admit the plasma projectile's collision detection physics need some love. Also something needs to be done about that dud shot glitch. |
Cody Sietz
Bullet Cluster
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Posted - 2013.08.01 13:53:00 -
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Just wanna say, I love the plasma cannon, it tries to do both and somewhat succeeds at it.
The wonky nature of splash DMG and the weird reload glitch are my only problems with it. |
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kanders
Sand Mercenary Corps Inc. Interstellar Conquest Enterprises
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Posted - 2013.08.01 13:57:00 -
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G Felix wrote:The splash can wipe out a scout Yeah, but so can the wind. |
Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.08.01 14:26:00 -
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The Plasma Cannon is the Gallente version of a feather duster. |
Cody Sietz
Bullet Cluster
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Posted - 2013.08.01 14:33:00 -
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Chunky Munkey wrote:The Plasma Cannon is the Gallente version of a feather duster. Minmatar or Caldari? |
Beren Hurin
The Vanguardians
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Posted - 2013.08.01 14:36:00 -
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If you are asking if we will get a hybrid mass driver, with the same kind of range, damage, splash etc, I think that is unlikely.
That's like asking if we will get an explosive assault rifle complete with the normal explosive splash. I would hope not... |
Cody Sietz
Bullet Cluster
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Posted - 2013.08.01 14:43:00 -
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Beren Hurin wrote:If you are asking if we will get a hybrid mass driver, with the same kind of range, damage, splash etc, I think that is unlikely.
That's like asking if we will get an explosive assault rifle complete with the normal explosive splash. I would hope not... Its more like how each race will get a rifle. I'm trying to wiggle out a little info to see if we will get Minmatar AV weapon or a Gal/caldari anti-infantry area denial weapon. |
Cody Sietz
Bullet Cluster
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Posted - 2013.08.01 15:48:00 -
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I'm gonna take IWS as info. |
Medic 1879
Forsaken Immortals Top Men.
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Posted - 2013.08.01 15:53:00 -
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I always assumed it was just a toned down FG designed for hit and run instead. I like it but I hate the crosshairs I just dont like them at all. |
Cosgar
ParagonX
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Posted - 2013.08.01 15:55:00 -
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I think it's more of an RPG, but badly designed. |
Cody Sietz
Bullet Cluster
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Posted - 2013.08.01 19:23:00 -
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Medic 1879 wrote:I always assumed it was just a toned down FG designed for hit and run instead. I like it but I hate the crosshairs I just dont like them at all. Pretty much. Its not as bad as people make it out to be. |
Jason Pearson
Seraphim Auxiliaries
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Posted - 2013.08.01 19:51:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Yup.
IWS, do you even read the thread when you post? Just seems like you miss things completely.. all the time. |
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Sgt Kirk
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
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Posted - 2013.08.01 20:10:00 -
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Cody Sietz wrote:Medic 1879 wrote:I always assumed it was just a toned down FG designed for hit and run instead. I like it but I hate the crosshairs I just dont like them at all. Pretty much. Its not as bad as people make it out to be. but it still is terrible whether youre trying to make sure this thing doesnt get buffed or not.
The plasma cannon was meant to be a light AV weapon. But the projectile speed doesnt allow that.
Also to take into account the weapon doesnt really get any better if you skill into it.
Look at the numbers on the plasma cannon from basic to proto. Then look at the damage difference between basic and proto with the Caldari smarms or Mass Driver.
There's a good reason to skill up into those while the plasma cannon is just **** damage at proto. I understand it's a light AV weapon so it shouldn't do as much damage as a forge of course but keep in mind the proto swarms do 1980 base damage while the proto Plasma Cannon only does 1155 (basic PC is 1050) |
Killar-12
Molon Labe. League of Infamy
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Posted - 2013.08.01 20:34:00 -
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Jason Pearson wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Yup. IWS, do you even read the thread when you post? Just seems like you miss things completely.. all the time. He means both... I think, clairification would help |
Cody Sietz
Bullet Cluster
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Posted - 2013.08.02 13:11:00 -
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Sgt Kirk wrote:Cody Sietz wrote:Medic 1879 wrote:I always assumed it was just a toned down FG designed for hit and run instead. I like it but I hate the crosshairs I just dont like them at all. Pretty much. Its not as bad as people make it out to be. but it still is terrible whether youre trying to make sure this thing doesnt get buffed or not. The plasma cannon was meant to be a light AV weapon. But the projectile speed doesnt allow that. Also to take into account the weapon doesnt really get any better if you skill into it. Look at the numbers on the plasma cannon from basic to proto. Then look at the damage difference between basic and proto with the Caldari smarms or Mass Driver. There's a good reason to skill up into those while the plasma cannon is just **** damage at proto. I understand it's a light AV weapon so it shouldn't do as much damage as a forge of course but keep in mind the proto swarms do 1980 base damage while the proto Plasma Cannon only does 1155 (basic PC is 1050) there is no reason to use the proto plasma cannon, that is true. I don't want a buff for it, just for them to fix the glitchy nature of it.
As for the proto and advance versions, they need to make them cheaper or something.
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Cody Sietz
Bullet Cluster
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Posted - 2013.08.02 13:59:00 -
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Killar-12 wrote:Jason Pearson wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Yup. IWS, do you even read the thread when you post? Just seems like you miss things completely.. all the time. He means both... I think, clairification would help Either I stumbled on to some new weapon, or IWS is trolling us...the latter seems more likely. |
Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
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Posted - 2013.08.04 20:27:00 -
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Cody Sietz wrote:Killar-12 wrote:Jason Pearson wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Yup. IWS, do you even read the thread when you post? Just seems like you miss things completely.. all the time. He means both... I think, clairification would help Either I stumbled on to some new weapon, or IWS is trolling us...the latter seems more likely.
On the grid the PLC is in the same row as the lightweight launcher category thus MD SL and whatever the amarr variant is are somewhat in the same class. It doesn't mean that in the future there wouldn't be any a Gallente Plasma mortar or a microswarm launcher from the caldari in the future though just as it stands right now that's one row of weapons here.
Knives Pistols SMGs Shotguns Rifle Snipers Launchers Heavy Anti-infantry Heavy Anti-Vehicle
Minmatar is used the odd method diverted over to the dakka dakka method though instead of their usual da big kaboom one. |
Billi Gene
The Southern Legion
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Posted - 2013.08.04 20:46:00 -
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Sgt Kirk wrote:Cody Sietz wrote:Medic 1879 wrote:I always assumed it was just a toned down FG designed for hit and run instead. I like it but I hate the crosshairs I just dont like them at all. Pretty much. Its not as bad as people make it out to be. but it still is terrible whether youre trying to make sure this thing doesnt get buffed or not. The plasma cannon was meant to be a light AV weapon. But the projectile speed doesnt allow that. Also to take into account the weapon doesnt really get any better if you skill into it. Look at the numbers on the plasma cannon from basic to proto. Then look at the damage difference between basic and proto with the Caldari smarms or Mass Driver. There's a good reason to skill up into those while the plasma cannon is just **** damage at proto. I understand it's a light AV weapon so it shouldn't do as much damage as a forge of course but keep in mind the proto swarms do 1980 base damage while the proto Plasma Cannon only does 1155 (basic PC is 1050)
swarms are AV only.
also: the MD is wonderful against vehicle armor <3 |
Cody Sietz
Bullet Cluster
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Posted - 2013.08.04 22:59:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Cody Sietz wrote:Killar-12 wrote:Jason Pearson wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Yup. IWS, do you even read the thread when you post? Just seems like you miss things completely.. all the time. He means both... I think, clairification would help Either I stumbled on to some new weapon, or IWS is trolling us...the latter seems more likely. On the grid the PLC is in the same row as the lightweight launcher category thus MD SL and whatever the amarr variant is are somewhat in the same class. It doesn't mean that in the future there wouldn't be any a Gallente Plasma mortar or a microswarm launcher from the caldari in the future though just as it stands right now that's one row of weapons here. Knives Pistols SMGs Shotguns Rifle Snipers Launchers Heavy Anti-infantry Heavy Anti-Vehicle Minmatar is used the odd method diverted over to the dakka dakka method though instead of their usual da big kaboom one. schooled.
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