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Yun Hee Ryeon
Dead Six Initiative
Lokun Listamenn
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Posted - 2013.08.01 06:02:00 -
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Nova knives mean that you've given up both your sidearm slot and a good bit of suit resources for a melee upgrade. They're silly-hard to hit with in actual combat even against an opponent who is shooting at somebody else and has no idea you're there (nobody ever stops freaking moving). They're near impossible, presently, to score a hit with on a target who's moving away from you.
Yes, they're deadly, but there's a very good reason why they're still rare.
That said, I love 'em to bits. They're terrible in a fight, but fantastic for cutting down the unsuspecting. Heavies, in particular, tend to be insufficiently paranoid when hacking. |
D legendary hero
THE WARRIORS OF LEGEND
501
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Posted - 2013.08.01 06:21:00 -
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why do people think secondary automatically means weaker than primary?
if you point blank someone with a pistol in their kevlar vest, it will still penetrat and kill them.
primaries have more range than secondaries thats the point.
hell even in real life some "secondaries" have more power than primaries... i mean a desert egale, .44magnum are crazy powerful and you betta beleive they will kill you fast.
primaries have range, secondaries don't. damages between the two can fluxuate.
OP knove nives are PHKs because that is concentrated plasma on the edge of a blade. that tand they guy has to be in spiting distance of you to get you with them. |
ALPHA DECRIPTER
M.E.R.C. Conventional Forces
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
184
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Posted - 2013.08.01 06:48:00 -
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In DUST side arm, light, and heavy weapons are actually just classified by there CPU/PG usage. Knives consume the least amount of CPU and therefore are placed in the Side arm category.
I've yet to go beyond standard knives as I actually use them as a secondary or to defend against heavies(primary is a breach SMG). Because of this, it takes a full charged combo to the back of the head to actually kill someone or, in the case of heavies, wreck there shields.
As you can probably tell by my weapon selection, i'm a scout and I focus on field management (uplinks, hacking, destroying equipment) so I'm actually always at a disadvantage. You saying that with my gimped combat abilities I shouldn't be able to kill somebody that is hacking my objective?
As for the OHK, you have to keep in mind that;
- he has to get within striking distance.
- he has to charge up which disables his ability to sprint.
- he has to time the release so that both strikes hit you as you are strafing, jumping, sprinting, etc.
- he has to avoid your grenades, bullets, etc.
- he has to avoid your allies grenades, bullets, etc.
- he has to not get ran over.
With all this pre-planning needing to be done in less then a second, do you really feel that they should have to perform 2 and 3 twice in order to kill you? If so then you are just sad bro.
`Sigh. Just another fun game of DUST  . |
xCOSHEEx
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
4
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Posted - 2013.08.01 07:40:00 -
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Also take into account the skills and fittings.
Minmatar scout lv5 - 25% increase to melee dmg
Complex Myofibril - 50% increace to melee damage
Nova Knife Proficiency lv5 - 15% increase to nova knife dmg.
so just with those 3 that's already 90% increase.
Minmatar pro scout suit can fit 3 myofibril......
MASSIVE damage when charged.
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Cosgar
ParagonX
3668
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Posted - 2013.08.01 07:48:00 -
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You're complaining about a guy bringing a knife to ga gunfight. Think about that f |
Sinboto Simmons
SVER True Blood
835
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Posted - 2013.08.01 07:54:00 -
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xCOSHEEx wrote:Also take into account the skills and fittings.
Minmatar scout lv5 - 25% increase to melee dmg
Complex Myofibril - 50% increace to melee damage
Nova Knife Proficiency lv5 - 15% increase to nova knife dmg.
so just with those 3 that's already 90% increase.
Minmatar pro scout suit can fit 3 myofibril......
MASSIVE damage when charged.
Sidearm weapon mod is what you'd be using there bud...... |
ALPHA DECRIPTER
M.E.R.C. Conventional Forces
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
186
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Posted - 2013.08.01 07:59:00 -
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xCOSHEEx wrote:Also take into account the skills and fittings.
Minmatar scout lv5 - 25% increase to melee dmg
Complex Myofibril - 50% increace to melee damage
Nova Knife Proficiency lv5 - 15% increase to nova knife dmg.
so just with those 3 that's already 90% increase.
Minmatar pro scout suit can fit 3 myofibril......
MASSIVE damage when charged.
I was pointing out the difficulty in landing the hits.... you pointed out the time that is to be consumed to make the hits matter (very valid)
When using light armor for any role; Sniper, ninja, shotgunner, etc. One must shift there original state of mind to fit the role. Failure to do so will result in you being a waste of space on the battlefield as well as a waste of your own ISK, SP, and Time.
Most people think it's all about "hack the objective" or "get kills" but as any logi will tell you, that's not always true.
A good sniper can lock down an objective without getting a single kill, Shotgunners and ninja destroy any plans the enemy has leaving them at a tactical advantage as they now will be too busy looking behind them in fear of your wrath then looking in front of them at the heavy with the forge gun!
Field managers give your team a tactical advantage by utilizing uplinks to give the team a tactical spawn, hacking the objective and any useful instillations, and wiping out the enemy's equipment putting them at a disadvantage. Doing this I managed to keep the enemy surrounded while also keeping objectives in our control.
This game thrives on players using tactics and if someone you are going against is good at what they do then you're going to have a bad time, period!
`Sigh. Just another fun game of DUST . |
Shattered Mirage
The Enclave Syndicate
Dark Taboo
43
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Posted - 2013.08.01 09:06:00 -
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Wait... what?
Are you serious? I mean.... what?
I just can't take this seriously.... |
Powerh8er
DIOS EX.
Top Men.
8
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Posted - 2013.08.01 09:30:00 -
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Stop trying to nerf everything. You are ruining this game. |
Fang 95
Immortal Shinigami
2
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Posted - 2013.08.01 09:36:00 -
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wow you guys are all idiots if this starts happening more often it has the possibility to become almost like some call of duty knifing BS |
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Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet
Top Men.
1060
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Posted - 2013.08.01 09:43:00 -
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I have been knifed precisely once successfully. After I had been softened up by two idiots who thought "run straight at the heavy" was a tactic of sublime brilliance.
the second, third and eighth time he came after me I unloaded an HMG in his face and he died horribly. the tenth I shot him, ran out of ammo and beat him to death with the HMG.
overpowered my ass.
it was right up there with open beta and all of the newbie babies running up behind me thinking they were gonna one-shot me by meleeing me in the back while I was hacking a point and dying horrendously. After all, it worked for Master Chief, right guys? right? |
Cosgar
ParagonX
3672
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Posted - 2013.08.01 09:50:00 -
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Fang 95 wrote:wow you guys are all idiots if this starts happening more often it has the possibility to become almost like some call of duty knifing BS at least in CQC
In case if you missed my earlier response allow me to repeat myself. You're complaining about someone bringing a knife to a gun fight. |
SIRAJKNIGHT
Dakusuri Assassins
178
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Posted - 2013.08.01 12:10:00 -
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I love nova knives. ever since I skilled into them their easier and much fun to use. Also don't be hating on the ninjas! |
Alaika Arbosa
Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc.
Interstellar Murder of Crows
841
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Posted - 2013.08.01 12:13:00 -
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Fang 95 wrote:so im in an area thats mostly close quarters medium suit my health is full shields 288 armor 310 then out of nowhere some guy in a light suit rushes up and and 1 hit kills me with ishukone nova knifes.... really? im seeing this more and more and its really getting annoying. please read further down i have more posts clarifying things more.
I think it is more that your situational awareness needs buffed. |
Captain Wontubulous
Nova Corps Marines
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
56
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Posted - 2013.08.01 13:08:00 -
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Fang 95 wrote:apparently most of you are misunderstanding or just idiots i am actually a good player i constantly check my surroundings and radar im always aware of whats going on around me and im good at what i do especially killing not that i care for my k/d but its currently 3.69 dont believe me check my stats and no im not some douche that uses the most OP gear i can get my hands on 80 - 90% of the time i run adv armor with a standard AR or gek-38 i do play often and im no noob still dont believe me? dont care. but when a guy in light armor rushes out from behind a corner with ishukone nova knifes and 1 hit kills you theres nothing you can do about it
Before you complain about the nova knives and before you start listing your mediocre stats, go run a nove knives suit and come back and tell us your KD from that match.
Also never mention you run AR. The people who play with the other weapons won't take you seriously. |
Captain Wontubulous
Nova Corps Marines
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
56
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Posted - 2013.08.01 13:10:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:Fang 95 wrote:wow you guys are all idiots if this starts happening more often it has the possibility to become almost like some call of duty knifing BS at least in CQC In case if you missed my earlier response allow me to repeat myself. You're complaining about someone bringing a knife to a gun fight.
HAHAHAHA. I literally said this yesterday while playing MD vs Knives. "Ohhhhh looks like someone brought a knife to a bomb fight." +1 for making my day. |
Orion Vahid
DUST University
Ivy League
96
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Posted - 2013.08.01 13:12:00 -
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Captain Wontubulous wrote:If somebody hits you with nova knives, I don't care what suit you're in, they deserve a kill. I'm all for these things OH killing tanks.
Even if it's a Heavy suit? I disagree. |
Prangstar RND
Ahrendee Mercenaries
EoN.
153
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Posted - 2013.08.01 13:36:00 -
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oh man this thread made me lol. My respect goes to those using scout suits and nova knifes. If they get a kill they certainly deserve it, dodging bullets and knifing you in the face. I might just spec into it and search Fang 95 in battles just for the heck of it. I've never been knifed straight on, but they did get me a few times while i was sniping, I only had to blame myself for not watching my six. Suck it up, learn from your mistakes and become a better player. |
Cosgar
ParagonX
3711
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Posted - 2013.08.01 15:59:00 -
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Fang 95 wrote:wow you guys are all idiots if this starts happening more often it has the possibility to become almost like some call of duty knifing BS at least in CQC
I used to shiv people all the time in CoD, whether trolling or looking for a challenge. Nova Knives in Dust are much more difficult if you try using them. Not only do you have to be fast enough get within range, but you have to charge them (without sprinting) and then release the button. Usually it's not a OHK and you have to either throw in a quick follow up swipe or a melee hit. Even with all these drawbacks, there are some damn good knifers that don't complain (about anything not related to hit detection) and if you're crying, again about dying to someone that brought a knife to a gun fight, that's on you. |
Pokey Dravon
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
882
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Posted - 2013.08.01 20:36:00 -
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Fang 95 wrote:wow you guys are all idiots if this starts happening more often it has the possibility to become almost like some call of duty knifing BS at least in CQC
Let me ask you this, how many games have you played with the knives? My guess is none, at least not using then as a main weapon. So do you really have any right to comment on how easy it is to get kills when you yourself have never used the weapon?
I challenge you to spend a little SP and get the basic knives, just the Standard. Put them on a dragonfly scout, fit it however you like, and then try to get a clean hit on someone. You dont even need to kill them, just hit them with a full charge on both knives. And no stabbing someone who is hacking or standing still doesnt count. Let us know how many times you die before landing a clean hit. Or perhaps you dont want to risk tarnishing that precious kdr?
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Thurak1
Psygod9
RISE of LEGION
21
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Posted - 2013.08.01 20:46:00 -
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Ha you think thats bad i play a heavy and nova knives are a one hit kill for me. Best part is that they can often run right at me and kill me even with a boundless. I am betting its because the hmg still has a very fast dispersion. Last time i nearly got him though he had about 1/4 armor. Still aggrivating considering heavies are supposed to be the CQC monsters. |
Fang 95
Immortal Shinigami
2
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Posted - 2013.08.01 21:54:00 -
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Pokey Dravon wrote:Fang 95 wrote:wow you guys are all idiots if this starts happening more often it has the possibility to become almost like some call of duty knifing BS at least in CQC Let me ask you this, how many games have you played with the knives? My guess is none, at least not using then as a main weapon. So do you really have any right to comment on how easy it is to get kills when you yourself have never used the weapon? I challenge you to spend a little SP and get the basic knives, just the Standard. Put them on a dragonfly scout, fit it however you like, and then try to get a clean hit on someone. You dont even need to kill them, just hit them with a full charge on both knives. And no stabbing someone who is hacking or standing still doesnt count. Let us know how many times you die before landing a clean hit. Or perhaps you dont want to risk tarnishing that precious kdr?
actually yea i did play with them in a few matches just to test them out for my self and it wasnt hard i did die a good amount of times but it sure is a way to get easy kills. and about my precious kdr you must not have been paying attention because i already said i dont care about my kdr if you dont believe me then whatever i dont need you to. |
Aerion Spiritus
The Southern Legion
48
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Posted - 2013.08.01 22:24:00 -
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Fang 95 wrote:so im in an area thats mostly close quarters medium suit my health is full shields 288 armor 310 then out of nowhere some guy in a light suit rushes up and and 1 hit kills me with ishukone nova knifes.... really? im seeing this more and more and its really getting annoying. please read further down i have more posts clarifying things more.
I run nova knives every now and then, only adv knives though and you would not believe how careful you have to be to get even remotely close to get the kill. so if they can get close enough to use the knives then they deserve the kill. they are supposed to be super powerful melee. they are designed to kill incredibly quickly. if they took longer to kill someone than a shotgun than they would be obsolete. useless. |
ladwar
Dead Six Initiative
Lokun Listamenn
1021
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Posted - 2013.08.01 22:37:00 -
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Sinboto Simmons wrote:xCOSHEEx wrote:Also take into account the skills and fittings.
Minmatar scout lv5 - 25% increase to melee dmg
Complex Myofibril - 50% increace to melee damage
Nova Knife Proficiency lv5 - 15% increase to nova knife dmg.
so just with those 3 that's already 90% increase.
Minmatar pro scout suit can fit 3 myofibril......
MASSIVE damage when charged.
Sidearm weapon mod is what you'd be using there bud......
no, not really.. you don't always have the time for a charge plus melee adds to knife power and that myofibril gives more damage then the sidearm damage mod.
back to the OP, lol. i must say no. i have seen them around and well dodge them about 70% of time and 20% they miss straight up so 10% land a blow from ninja tactics and w/e. i died about 4 times from them. i have OHK them about 30-35 times. its good where its at. |
Tal-Rakken
DUST University
Ivy League
41
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Posted - 2013.08.01 23:05:00 -
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The good knifers are using the minny scout suit for its damage bonus and should have complex kincats and cardiacs. Take a look at your skill tree just getting to basic cardiacs and kincats takes a huge skill point investment. Frankly I think knives are just fine they are a niche weapon which has some serious hit detection issues.
P.s. I've died to knives several times and I've killed substantially more than I've been killed by(although the noob knifer I ohk wih a heavy's melee strike was the best) |
Scheneighnay McBob
Bojo's School of the Trades
2599
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Posted - 2013.08.01 23:20:00 -
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Knives are actually broken. The only way to damage anyone is if they're standing still, or moving towards you.
Coincidentally, I dusted off my advanced knives today to use with my "true scout" fit. I have proto, but I still don't trust the hit detection to use them.
If you're wondering, the "true scout" has a sniper rifle, knives (obviously), an uplink, and a codebreaker, among less important modules. It's great as long as you aren't spotted. |
Sinboto Simmons
SVER True Blood
843
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Posted - 2013.08.01 23:59:00 -
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ladwar wrote:Sinboto Simmons wrote:xCOSHEEx wrote:Also take into account the skills and fittings.
Minmatar scout lv5 - 25% increase to melee dmg
Complex Myofibril - 50% increace to melee damage
Nova Knife Proficiency lv5 - 15% increase to nova knife dmg.
so just with those 3 that's already 90% increase.
Minmatar pro scout suit can fit 3 myofibril......
MASSIVE damage when charged.
Sidearm weapon mod is what you'd be using there bud...... no, not really.. you don't always have the time for a charge plus melee adds to knife power and that myofibril gives more damage then the sidearm damage mod. back to the OP, lol. i must say no. i have seen them around and well dodge them about 70% of time and 20% they miss straight up so 10% land a blow from ninja tactics and w/e. i died about 4 times from them. i have OHK them about 30-35 times. its good where its at.
The NK are a sidearm classed weapon so the sidearm damage mods are what increases the damage,I know it doesn't make alot of sense but that's the way they have been and still are since they were introduced |
ladwar
Dead Six Initiative
Lokun Listamenn
1022
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Posted - 2013.08.02 00:07:00 -
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Sinboto Simmons wrote:ladwar wrote:Sinboto Simmons wrote:xCOSHEEx wrote:Also take into account the skills and fittings.
Minmatar scout lv5 - 25% increase to melee dmg
Complex Myofibril - 50% increace to melee damage
Nova Knife Proficiency lv5 - 15% increase to nova knife dmg.
so just with those 3 that's already 90% increase.
Minmatar pro scout suit can fit 3 myofibril......
MASSIVE damage when charged.
Sidearm weapon mod is what you'd be using there bud...... no, not really.. you don't always have the time for a charge plus melee adds to knife power and that myofibril gives more damage then the sidearm damage mod. back to the OP, lol. i must say no. i have seen them around and well dodge them about 70% of time and 20% they miss straight up so 10% land a blow from ninja tactics and w/e. i died about 4 times from them. i have OHK them about 30-35 times. its good where its at. The NK are a sidearm classed weapon so the sidearm damage mods are what increases the damage,I know it doesn't make alot of sense but that's the way they have been and still are since they were introduced
complex myofibril base bonus(before skills) to melee(including NKs) is 40damage
sidearm damage mod on a proto knife base bonus(before skills) is 19.5damage because is doesn't effect the melee part on the knife damage. |
mollerz
Minja Scouts
778
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Posted - 2013.08.02 00:53:00 -
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The funny thing is Fang 95s name has been put out there, and he is now marked for death by all the heavy hitter scout knifers. If he wanted a nerf, now we'll give him something to really QQ nerf about. If he hated knives before, he is going to really hate them shortly 
Out of curiosity, Fang... Who was the knifer?
oh... and good luck. you are going to need it. |
mollerz
Minja Scouts
778
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Posted - 2013.08.02 00:57:00 -
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Pokey Dravon wrote:
Also a secondary? No, not really. No one in their right mind will go "Oh hey, my AR ran out of bullets, instead of reloading let me whip out these knives and run straight at the guy who's shooting me." Just because it's classified as a sidearm doesn't mean its meant as a secondary weapon.
*raises hand*
I actually switch to my knives after i use the AR to solely close the distance. The AR is extremely useful in this regard. Hell, I often forget to reload. I can only imagine their faces when some lil scout rushes them with an AR and finishes them off with a knife leap.
When it works it's glorious! |
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