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Herman Hardon
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
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Posted - 2013.07.31 22:28:00 -
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CCP says that "soon"tm they will introduce a market for players to trade and sell gear . But the players who think ahead and bought bulk of these items now are stuck with items with much less value then what they had been sold for in the first place . Everyones response is to waive the EULA in there face and say your an idiot . Most of you just don't like the weapon and qq until ccp had to act . Not thinking ahead they should realize these items should have been removed from market , rebalanced and renamed leaving what was purchased alone .
Instead CCP punishes the players who buy in bulk . They dictate what will be on the market and can adjust or change anything they please. Same can be said about logi suits . If you had bought a lot the suits that should have been left 'as is" and removed . So if a player wanted to save them for when market opened up they could . The bonus should have stayed with the suit . CCP should of removed it , rebalanced it and renamed it . This allows the CONSUMER to keep what they had purchased and ccp to make there changes . Plus it allowes for future gain in the market later on down the road.
Taking away 2/3rds of what you had sold someone is terrible business , leaves a consumer feeling robbed of there money! Weather you wanna call it false advertizment or bait and switch , it is consider WRONG in most of the world . CCP did not handle this correctly and will suffer loses I am sure from it . I for one will not buy a thing from them again , unless the except they handled themselves wrong and buy back there items that were defective and or broken !!!!
Like I said CCP has found away to punish those who invest in there products , and players who would like to run the BLACK MARKET down the road .
Thanx You HERMAN HARDON |
Smooth Assassin
Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.07.31 22:30:00 -
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We are mercs whos gonna buy of us. See my point? |
8213
Grade No.2
56
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Posted - 2013.07.31 22:41:00 -
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Damn this Herman fella got sophisticated!
I don't like the idea of direct personal markets. But being able to sell stuff back that I don't use anymore would be nice. Just so I don't have to scroll through a long list of assets when building suits. |
Mac Dac
Wraith Shadow Guards
119
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Posted - 2013.07.31 22:49:00 -
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Smooth Assassin wrote:We are mercs whos gonna buy of us. See my point? actually im pretty sure that everyone has piles of stuff they're not gonna use but know others who will.
I personally have a couple of salvaged scout suits, LAVs, and forge guns that i have and probably not going to use. I might sell them at militia price just to get rid of them. And there advanced gear too.
...........When player trading goes online watch local chat buzz like wallstreet and i'll have the lowest prices ....... |
hooc order
Deep Space Republic Top Men.
790
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Posted - 2013.07.31 22:53:00 -
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Herman Hardon wrote:
CCP says that "soon"tm they will introduce a market for players to trade and sell gear . But the players who think ahead and bought bulk of these items now are stuck with items with much less value then what they had been sold for in the first place . Everyones response is to waive the EULA in there face and say your an idiot . Most of you just don't like the weapon and qq until ccp had to act . Not thinking ahead they should realize these items should have been removed from market , rebalanced and renamed leaving what was purchased alone .
Instead CCP punishes the players who buy in bulk . They dictate what will be on the market and can adjust or change anything they please. Same can be said about logi suits . If you had bought a lot the suits that should have been left 'as is" and removed . So if a player wanted to save them for when market opened up they could . The bonus should have stayed with the suit . CCP should of removed it , rebalanced it and renamed it . This allows the CONSUMER to keep what they had purchased and ccp to make there changes . Plus it allowes for future gain in the market later on down the road.
Taking away 2/3rds of what you had sold someone is terrible business , leaves a consumer feeling robbed of there money! Weather you wanna call it false advertizment or bait and switch , it is consider WRONG in most of the world . CCP did not handle this correctly and will suffer loses I am sure from it . I for one will not buy a thing from them again , unless the except they handled themselves wrong and buy back there items that were defective and or broken !!!!
Like I said CCP has found away to punish those who invest in there products , and players who would like to run the BLACK MARKET down the road .
Thanx You HERMAN HARDON
I bought an original blue print of some light weapon damage modifier with AUR....that is real money for those who do not know.
Then CCP changed the logi suit so i really could not use it any more.....
*Shrugs*
Anyway i am sure CCP was not out to get me specifically....so i really do not care. |
Rynoceros
Rise Of Old Dudes
439
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Posted - 2013.07.31 22:54:00 -
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Another salvage buyout like we had after Chromosome (R.I.P.) wouldn't offend me. i would like to pick a couple of keepers though. |
Robocop Junior
The Surrogates Of War
96
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Posted - 2013.07.31 23:31:00 -
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Herman's back and harder than ever weeeeeeeeee! |
Oso Peresoso
RisingSuns
463
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Posted - 2013.07.31 23:41:00 -
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I'm pretty sure the people that bought Saga IIs or Charge sniper rifles in bulk aren't feeling as persecuted as you would believe.
Also your post is terrible. |
Promethius Franklin
DUST University Ivy League
143
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Posted - 2013.07.31 23:50:00 -
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So your suggestion is that imbalance should be able to be bought into and maintained for as long as supplies gained before changes are made last? Considering this would be a known application how could this avoid being horrendously abused preventing the intended game play changes for potentially weeks or months? Doesn't this just bypass the point of balance changes for a subset of players to begin with and is that really a healthier solution to the ills of our current balance problems than the current system? |
Seymor Krelborn
DUST University Ivy League
427
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Posted - 2013.07.31 23:50:00 -
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I agree with the OP... I did not buy nor do I ever buy AUR gear unless its BPs and boosters, but whats stopping them from making those things I bought of less value down the road... this is WRONG!
CCP you cannot take our money and then change what we bought it isn't right unless you buy it back for AUR or leave it be and change future versions...
this is our money not isk.... it would be like buying an HD TV and then 6 months later having the people who made that tv come and take the HD out of it...
I agree with the balancing you all did but give these people their money back, or be marked as swindlers...
I will also not be buying anything else from you until you you fix this... you have lost my trust for now. |
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Zatara Rought
TeamPlayers EoN.
628
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Posted - 2013.08.01 00:02:00 -
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Actually what if CCP created the option for sellback on items, for AUR as well, at half price? sure it sucks they nerfed fused locus nades and cavity and I had like 1k of them, but if I could sell them back for half the aur I'd be ok. It's the idea that I'm stuck with something I bought when it was great in the pubs vs shotties and now they are utterly useless. |
Herman Hardon
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
17
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Posted - 2013.08.01 00:25:00 -
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Promethius Franklin wrote:So your suggestion is that imbalance should be able to be bought into and maintained for as long as supplies gained before changes are made last? Considering this would be a known application how could this avoid being horrendously abused preventing the intended game play changes for potentially weeks or months? Doesn't this just bypass the point of balance changes for a subset of players to begin with and is that really a healthier solution to the ills of our current balance problems than the current system?
I am suggesingt ways they could prevent tossing their EULA around like its candy . They are suppose to make it so we can buy and sell items . Officer gear is OP and rare . 2 yrs from now sumone could have put their m2 nades on market for a hefty price tag . All it would be doing is bringing more options to the market which is suppose to be in the works. I for one look forward to selling stuff for extra isk , I have hundreds of OFFICER weapons . I know other ppl that look forward to a trade and sell system . So what if sumone held on to ccp op items , or at worst used up what they had in their inventory. Oh wait its not mine , its ccp !! Duh ppl like to think that when they buy sumthing it belongs to them , what a stupid concept that is . |
NOAMIzzzzz
BIG BAD W0LVES Eternal Syndicate
5
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Posted - 2013.08.01 00:30:00 -
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take my money CCP TAKE IT |
Acezero 44
Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State
117
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Posted - 2013.08.01 00:33:00 -
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@Herman
Im sorry, but you seem new to this whole cash shop thing,. this your first time playing a FTP micro payment game?
Its PVP, its going to be unbalanced in any game, so closing your eyes and spending a ton of money is not really a good idea.
Learn from the mistake an stop posting this crap.. |
Promethius Franklin
DUST University Ivy League
143
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Posted - 2013.08.01 00:47:00 -
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Herman Hardon wrote:Promethius Franklin wrote:So your suggestion is that imbalance should be able to be bought into and maintained for as long as supplies gained before changes are made last? Considering this would be a known application how could this avoid being horrendously abused preventing the intended game play changes for potentially weeks or months? Doesn't this just bypass the point of balance changes for a subset of players to begin with and is that really a healthier solution to the ills of our current balance problems than the current system? I am suggesingt ways they could prevent tossing their EULA around like its candy . They are suppose to make it so we can buy and sell items . Officer gear is OP and rare . 2 yrs from now sumone could have put their m2 nades on market for a hefty price tag . All it would be doing is bringing more options to the market which is suppose to be in the works. I for one look forward to selling stuff for extra isk , I have hundreds of OFFICER weapons . I know other ppl that look forward to a trade and sell system . So what if sumone held on to ccp op items , or at worst used up what they had in their inventory. Oh wait its not mine , its ccp !! Duh ppl like to think that when they buy sumthing it belongs to them , what a stupid concept that is . I understood what you are saying, but none of it really negates my stated concerns. This isn't officer items, dropped in limited quantities from a controlled drop structure. This is a game which already has plenty of isk sitting in peoples wallets which allows people to lock themselves in to gear deemed problematic from a balance standpoint. There is no enforcement of rarity until it's too late. It's no longer that semi rare drop, it's the thing you bought a couple thousand of along with who knows how many others. And now it's something that gets used liberally for a continued amount of time despite being potentially problematic due to the relatively low value enforced by abundance. This is a completely different scenario from officer weapons.
Enforceable rarity balances OP items, but simply retiring publicly available imbalances while leaving stockpiles intact is begging for abuse which WILL bypass that rarity and render changes moot for a subset of the community that probably doesn't really need the extra help. I'd rather the game health be placed with greater importance than your sense of ownership where no such thing exists. |
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