DUST Search - permanent SP respect option

Egypt Musk wrote:

Meeko Fent wrote:

Malkai Inos wrote:

jlpgaming2752 wrote:

[...]You're thoughts?

I'm mostly thinking about the blessing that the search function is. This subject is brought up extremely frequently as of lately and there is literally nothing new that could be said about it by now so i will keep this very succinct.

The lack of respecs is part of the games design concept. Choices should have consequences and circumventing this aspect calls the skillsystem as a whole into question.
Balance becomes a nightmare because even slight imbalances lead to a complete shift in the metagame, amplifying the FOTM issue.
Many current and some future features can not properly work with respecs. Think about traders who cannot predict market trends because demands change completely within hours.
The game's lifespan is significantly reduced as players can quickly try out everything and tinkering is a matter of minutes, rather than weeks.
New players get shafted as there is virtually nothing that they can compete in when vets can just respec millions of SP into whatever they deem worthy.

Every reason respecs are bad.

And people think that respecs are going to help newbies...

They'll only make newbies predicament worse as all the oldies field full proto FOTM fits. It make everything worse

you say it like this isn't allready the case the beta vets have there core skills maxed and most weapon and suits proto so there free too use all sp into FOTM weapons leaving everyone else scrambling after suit and weapon nerfs to come up with something half useable for pc matches.. some times even pub matches.

i get why most of the vets are against respecs ... they are scared of actual competition if they loose fairly they will quit leaving a newer and more balanced player base what a shame that would be... no big ego trolls in the forums or in game. What a shame that would be lol FYI I passed on the 1st respecs but would and do support a repec now as the non beta vets have enough sp accumulated that a respec now would allow us to be a force to be reccond with leveling the pc battle field alot more then it currently is I will not QQ over a respec as I will be there soon enough sp wise and by then most of the beta vets will have moved on to the ps4 after ruining the competive gaming of dust until ther exit
cheers

p.s. dont belive me watch outer heaven ancient exiles or the top teir eon guys play some times... there war crimes are pathetic considering how much skill they claim to have


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Mobius Wyvern BetaMax. 2796	Posted - 2013.08.01 13:29:00 - [1] - Quote Egypt Musk wrote: Meeko Fent wrote: Malkai Inos wrote: jlpgaming2752 wrote: [...]You're thoughts? I'm mostly thinking about the blessing that the search function is. This subject is brought up extremely frequently as of lately and there is literally nothing new that could be said about it by now so i will keep this very succinct. The lack of respecs is part of the games design concept. Choices should have consequences and circumventing this aspect calls the skillsystem as a whole into question. Balance becomes a nightmare because even slight imbalances lead to a complete shift in the metagame, amplifying the FOTM issue. Many current and some future features can not properly work with respecs. Think about traders who cannot predict market trends because demands change completely within hours. The game's lifespan is significantly reduced as players can quickly try out everything and tinkering is a matter of minutes, rather than weeks. New players get shafted as there is virtually nothing that they can compete in when vets can just respec millions of SP into whatever they deem worthy. Every reason respecs are bad. And people think that respecs are going to help newbies... They'll only make newbies predicament worse as all the oldies field full proto FOTM fits. It make everything worse you say it like this isn't allready the case the beta vets have there core skills maxed and most weapon and suits proto so there free too use all sp into FOTM weapons leaving everyone else scrambling after suit and weapon nerfs to come up with something half useable for pc matches.. some times even pub matches. i get why most of the vets are against respecs ... they are scared of actual competition if they loose fairly they will quit leaving a newer and more balanced player base what a shame that would be... no big ego trolls in the forums or in game. What a shame that would be lol FYI I passed on the 1st respecs but would and do support a repec now as the non beta vets have enough sp accumulated that a respec now would allow us to be a force to be reccond with leveling the pc battle field alot more then it currently is I will not QQ over a respec as I will be there soon enough sp wise and by then most of the beta vets will have moved on to the ps4 after ruining the competive gaming of dust until ther exit cheers p.s. dont belive me watch outer heaven ancient exiles or the top teir eon guys play some times... there war crimes are pathetic considering how much skill they claim to have Uh, you do realize that respecs can never favor newer players as much as they do older ones? A lot of those guys saying they want them and especially want unlimited numbers of them in exchange for money are getting up toward 25 million skillpoints. That's more than enough to instantly max out any specialization and all the general support skills and still leave quite a bit left over.
Mobius Wyvern BetaMax. 2797	Posted - 2013.08.01 13:40:00 - [2] - Quote Gaelon Thrace wrote: jlpgaming2752 wrote: respect I honestly think this typo is my biggest gripe with all the respec threads. It's not that hard to proof read before you post. I know it's a minor thing and I shouldn't let it bother me, but it's so prevalent it drives effing nuts. Also, there's a search function. Please use it before you make a new thread. These threads are an attempt to "drown CCP in threads" to provide an artificial sense of this idea being popular with the community.
Mobius Wyvern BetaMax. 2797	Posted - 2013.08.01 13:49:00 - [3] - Quote Cosgar wrote: Captain Wontubulous wrote: Cosgar wrote: I'm okay with players in the academy being able to respec as much as they want and one last time upon graduation. But after that, sell them for AUR but you have to give up 1/3 of your lifetime SP every time. The only other time we should get respecs is for Uprising level major build changes. ... You might need to change your math. 1/3 is a ridiculous number especially after paying real world money. It's a choice you'll have to make. This will stop FotM jumpers as well and force those who really do want the respec to be careful with their SP. It's a similar concept to how they've said that the early days of ISK transfers between EVE and Dust will involve a massive tax in order to make it prohibitively expensive to try and fund craploads of Proto gear using your EVE player.