When will WE the PLAYERS get to vote on those who REPRESENT us in Dust 514? Will it be at the same time as the next CSM elections? Will any current CPM run for it? Is there any here who feel our CPM are lacking at times , and misrepresent what we want and do not truly listen to what we say?

Who will be running, is there any here who feel they could do a better job at communicating to ccp and the dust community about making the games future more enjoyable to all?

This is serious.. because lately I feel some in the CPM are not direct representitivies.. some even abusing the power and knowledge to further personal agendas ( won't say who, why , and not asking for anyone to delve deeper into that )

thanks

The flaylock got nerfed and the AR still kicks ass... I'm feeling pretty well represented over here.

Until the CPM and CP figure out how to formalize a relationship that helps them listen to the community, elections wont matter. The business process is what this one is about.

They are all monkeys on a CCP string.

Working as intended.

None of them even play this game anymore anyway so..............meh who cares really.

the CSM seems to be running, what process is really different other than the game itself? It has been in act for YEARS

Eve has a separate studio - Dust514 is created by different devs, mostly based in the Shanghai studio. Read some of Hans' CPM reports for information on the difficulties that they face in setting up the CPM because you clearly are lacking in actual knowledge on the situation.

whatever bro, I don't need to read that to know that I nor anyone here voted for them. Or to know that it is not working, and that half talk down to anything that is not their own and some do not even play the game.

So, back to what I originally asked. WHEN will we actually be able to VOTE on our representatives?

If you refuse to look into what the CPM is actually doing, you have no right to complain about what they are or are not doing.

k thx

So you would rather have representation without power than a process that could lead to power and the promise of possible representation?

Just because you vote for someone doesn't mean that they WILL do what you want, CAN do what you want, or even CARE what you want...

Seriously people...the cynical institutional hatred and blindness toward process is so strong with you all.

[...]Note: And yeah i do realize that all the EvE players in the CPM claiming that Dust players are not mature enough is a non sequitur.

Judging by the OPs behavior in this thread i'd say it's a demonstrable fact.

I used "non sequitur" for a reason. Maturity level really does not matter when the current EvE playing CPM are drooling imbeciles.

It does matter when remarks like "drooling imbeciles" are the direct result of this immaturity - when it in fact "does follow" if you will.

Say what you want, I talk with these guys on IRC all the time, minus Jenza who seems to have disappeared into the ether, and from what it sounds like they are doing a good job, and CCP learned a lot of things from them.

Oh and if I ever run for the CPM, do not vote for me. /reversepsychologylol

must be hard to look for threads on some issues, take the ideas presented, and pass it off as their own

must be hard to look for threads on some issues, take the ideas presented, and pass it off as their own

This is more stuff like setting up better communication between CCP and the community.
Or making sure another "Uprising" won't happen.
From what I hear, it's improving, but they have to fight to get what they want, exactly like the CSM had to with EVE.

Honestly about that "another uprising wont happen" bit ... wasnt that the POINT OF THE WHOLE CLOSED BETA? lol. Like everytime a new patch comes out its some shocking thing that something is broken.. are people not using to this yet? Thats expected the shittty part is when it takes another 2-3months to fix that last patch. Wasnt that the whole point of hotfixes? lol.

Tired of hearing excuses but hey CCP needs more yesmen in their coroner dont got enough.

Thats expected the shittty part is when it takes another 2-3months to fix that last patch

Theres is currently no one worthy of being on the CPM

I take issue with the whole concept of "good ideas". If this game is so chalk full of good ideas then why is there so much dissatisfaction with it.

Results have no consequences in the current unelected CPM....exposing their positions to a popular vote would force them to become results oriented rather then praised for undocumented "good ideas".

Ditto for setting up what ever it is they are supposed to set up. In what way are these idiots motivated to finish anything. Let alone if they finish setting it up their reward is being exposed to elections.

Imagine driving a car.
Only you have to make the road yourself before you can drive that car.
That's CPM 0 in a nutshell, they have to set it all up for CPM 1.

That is not true. The current CPM has made the excuse to work on setting it up because people not being mature enough.

If that was the case then why haven't they finished setting it up then called for a delay of elections?

They have not done this. Instead they debate weather there should be elections at all.

Seriously they have pulled every scum bag tyrant trick in the book to prevent any kind of responsibility to players/voters.

That is not true. The current CPM has made the excuse to work on setting it up because people not being mature enough.

If that was the case then why haven't they finished setting it up then called for a delay of elections?

They have not done this. Instead they debate weather there should be elections at all.

Seriously they have pulled every scum bag tyrant trick in the book to prevent any kind of responsibility to players/voters.

It is because they want to finish their work before they pass it on.
Elections will happen eventually, they just want to setup the road and it seems like a year won't be enough.

No it is because they do not want to be accountable for the results of their failed work. They did not finish their job in a reasonable time period. If we are not ready for CPM1 then fine...lets have elections for CPM0 v2.

The CPM needs to accountable or they will never get it done. CPM0 has proven it.

It is because they want to finish their work before they pass it on.
Elections will happen eventually, they just want to setup the road and it seems like a year won't be enough.

Considering their input got CCP to restructure and start monthly releases....
Also, they had 4 months out of 12.
Give em a chance.

Also, they had 4 months out of 12.

Considering their input got CCP to restructure and start monthly releases.....

LOL they needed a group of CPM to tell them releasing an update every 6 monthes was a bad idea? Hahahahaha

You fanboys and yesmen probably hurt this game more than the trolls. Sad really.

Considering their input got CCP to restructure and start monthly releases....
Also, they had 4 months out of 12.
Give em a chance.

CSM Terms are usually a year apiece the 6 month terms were far too disruptive to the process in keeping the players up to date because soon as they get settled in its campaign time again.

As for when the CPM 0 will get phased out that is truly up to CCP Dolan and the people he works with. Until then the CPM 0 is forced to carry out the duties of an elected CPM until then.

CPM is currently hard at work though in trying to get things running smoothly on the inside so when CPM 1 is elected in even with absolutely no carry overs from zero they should and be able to not only function but not get pigeon holed and all the work zero has done not go to waste.

While yes it would seem the CPM is focusing on this aspect quite a bit you maybe need to read/watch/listen to the AMA to have somewhat of an idea what is going on between the CPM and CCP. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=97190&find=unread

The community can make some pretty rational and irrational demands and the thing is we can forward things to CCP all day long, act like children with a tantrum or the most reasonable people in the world, that still will not get things done ultimately on many issues because of everything involved in every choice.

The CPM dont change anything like.... like Jenza doesnt change her pants

I have to ask this
You guys say its a struggle to get communication channels in place yes?
Well why dont you all focus on Mintchip, she is the community manager...

hahahahaha

*wipes tears from eyes*

I have to ask this
You guys say its a struggle to get communication channels in place yes?
Well why dont you all focus on Mintchip, she is the community manager or some such right so it makes sense the communication flow should go Playerbase > CPM > Mintchip > Rest of CCP and then back again, and lets face it if they arent going to listen to what one of their co workers is telling them they arent going to listen to the CPM at all the idea should just be scrapped completely

Yes and No, there are times we get CCP to spill beans easily, and there are times we're like http://www.mememaker.net/static/images/templates/14288.jpg

CCP Mintchip and CCP Logibro are useful at times but they are still getting settled into the company they very recent hires.

We know that the Forums are being read vigorously and the message is not getting lost to the point I am nearly useless in this aspect unless its an under-posted thread that warrants more attention. The only thing I can seeminlgy do with the weekly reports is to follow up on the hot topics.

It's finally not a matter of listening to other workers and the sorts but trying to change the environment in which one portion of the studio works. Most of them probably come from traditional game companies where community has very little input, now they have to deal with 6 players poking and prodding them every other day? There are a few devs already adjusted and liking the idea of interacting when time allows there are a few more the CPM would how to best put this... Drag into a spotlight and slap them with a trout until they start squawk to at least the CPM. CCP Shanghai is still developing itself overall and the work there is continuously ongoing, there are many new recent hires over there and they're now getting adjusted into the studio. There is a development team specifically working on other teams in developing the studio itself from workflow, practices and communication.

This is a subject the CPM feels most important however and has been nearly the same subject every meeting once the meat and bones of the meeting was dished out form CCP.

Also there are some office technologies being phased in and out so its a bit chaotic to get on the same page until that work is done.

Either way its headache central I do not wish this upon anyone ill prepared for CPM duties. However, I may be saying that as my current role in the CPM as a secretary of sorts. Call it what you will but my behavior on the forums does not reflect the behavior I have in the formal environment I am rather typically quite and only bring up concerns that are mostly missed by the other members.

So a bunch of chickens with their heads cut off and no strong guiding hand

Pretty much.
Even they have problems making CCP to give them information, even while they're under NDA.