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Deluxe Edition
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Posted - 2013.07.30 14:22:00 -
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Every proto logi in the game had the same amount of CPU/PG, so what was the point of nerfing this aspect of the nerf?
I am fine with the delay and the racial bonus nerf, but for the life of me I can't figure out why they lowered our CPU, other than to try and keep their track record alive of nerfing OP stuff to the point where they are virtually unusable. |
Alaika Arbosa
Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc.
Interstellar Murder of Crows
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Posted - 2013.07.30 14:26:00 -
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Because they can?
lol |
BL4CKST4R
WarRavens
League of Infamy
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Posted - 2013.07.30 14:27:00 -
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Deluxe Edition wrote:Every proto logi in the game had the same amount of CPU/PG, so what was the point of nerfing this aspect of the nerf?
I am fine with the delay and the racial bonus nerf, but for the life of me I can't figure out why they lowered our CPU, other than to try and keep their track record alive of nerfing OP stuff to the point where they are virtually unusable.
Effectively forces you to choose for that extra complex shield extender by sacrificing something else. |
N1ck Comeau
Ahrendee Mercenaries
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Posted - 2013.07.30 14:28:00 -
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Because you have 5 high slots and 4 low slots, and a bunch of equipment slots. If you can't stand to put a cpu enhancer or 2, then i don't know what to say. |
The legend345
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Posted - 2013.07.30 14:30:00 -
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I don't know. I heard some deluxe edition kid was too op in it and was just slaughtering errybody so they nerfed it. :/ |
DUST Player 5842684267
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
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Posted - 2013.07.30 14:34:00 -
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Deluxe Edition wrote:Every proto logi in the game had the same amount of CPU/PG, so what was the point of nerfing this aspect of the nerf?
I am fine with the delay and the racial bonus nerf, but for the life of me I can't figure out why they lowered our CPU, other than to try and keep their track record alive of nerfing OP stuff to the point where they are virtually unusable.
cuz you use it |
semperfi1999
Internal Error.
Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.07.30 14:34:00 -
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TBH its because CCP cant balance something without nerfing it too far. The recharge delay change and the change to the racial bonus was enough to balance out this suit.....so they had to make sure it was overnerfed. |
ZDub 303
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Posted - 2013.07.30 14:37:00 -
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Its in order to make it the worst logistics dropsuit for logistics.
It actually kind of makes sense... its more combat oriented so they are trying to make it where you can't run as good of equipment as minmatar.
With that said though... its not what a lot of people who signed up for logistics would have picked... myself included.
but c'est la vie. Wait for 1.4 and the eventual respec. Its not like 1.3 will be worth playing anymore than 1.2 was. |
Lucifalic
Baked n Loaded
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Posted - 2013.07.30 14:39:00 -
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Don't put proto everything in every place on the suit. Drop the duvolle. Problem solved. And cry into a jar and mail it to me. That will solve my problems. |
Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.07.30 14:40:00 -
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I would have preferred they just take away one of your low slots. But while you still have 4, why not just stick a CPU extender on. |
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Sana Rayya
WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL
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Posted - 2013.07.30 14:41:00 -
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The CPU nerf will have the greatest effect on Cal Logis who are trying to be logis.
I think the advanced suit will be the hardest hit by the CPU nerf, which is a shame since it's my favorite dropsuit, and it's getting unfairly nerfed just because the proto suit is too powerful.
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Texs Red
SVER True Blood
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Posted - 2013.07.30 14:43:00 -
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It wasn't just the Caldari logi either. When I logged on today some of my galente logi setups were invalid due to CPU requirement (and it wasn't like that yesterday). |
The Attorney General
ZionTCD
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Posted - 2013.07.30 14:44:00 -
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ZDub 303 wrote:
Wait for 1.4 and the eventual respec.
The second, optional respec is why we are going to have a river of tears on here today.
So many people specced Caldari Logi with it, that one can't help but laugh at them for not thinking that this exact situation would happen.
Not that I am opposed to respecs, but if people used it to go FotM, then I have no problem with them crying to day.
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Deluxe Edition
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Posted - 2013.07.30 14:49:00 -
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N1ck Comeau wrote:Because you have 5 high slots and 4 low slots, and a bunch of equipment slots. If you can't stand to put a cpu enhancer or 2, then i don't know what to say.
Why does everyone forget the equipment slots? which we only have 3 of. Lets do some math.
Galante Logi: 3 High, 5 Low, 4 Equipment, 1 Light Weapon. Total: 13 Slots
Minmitar Logi: 4 High, 4 Low, 4 Equipment, 1 Light Weapon. Total: 13 Slots
Amarr Logi: 3 High, 4 Low, 3 Equipment, 1 Light Weapon, 1 Side Arm. Total: 12 Slots (Could use a buff)
Caladari Logi: 5 High, 4 Low, 3 Equipment, 1 Light Weapon Total: 13 Slots
Numbers don't lie, out of the logi suits the only outlier in them is the Amarr suit which is in desperate need of a BUFF. Any other disparity between the logi suis isn't due to one being better than the other but rather one method of tanking (Armor or Shield) being superior. Therefore blaming the logi suit is bad development when the rut of the issue is armor vs shields and not cal logi vs other suits.
Like I said I am fine with the change in the shield delays, however I feel that the CPU nerf is WAY overboard.
Also I wouldn't complain about the change to our racial bonus, however, CCP stated that even this is a placeholder and will be changed once they figure out how to apply bonuses to equipment. It would be nice to let us know which equipment the bonuses will be applied to for each suit so we can decide how we want to spec out suit. |
ZDub 303
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Posted - 2013.07.30 14:50:00 -
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The Attorney General wrote:ZDub 303 wrote:
Wait for 1.4 and the eventual respec.
The second, optional respec is why we are going to have a river of tears on here today. So many people specced Caldari Logi with it, that one can't help but laugh at them for not thinking that this exact situation would happen. Not that I am opposed to respecs, but if people used it to go FotM, then I have no problem with them crying to day.
That they would get a 40 CPU nerf? Wow I wish someone would have told me that... I didn't figure the bonus would last.. sure but I definitely couldn't predict this.. |
Sana Rayya
WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL
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Posted - 2013.07.30 14:51:00 -
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Texs Red wrote:It wasn't just the Caldari logi either. When I logged on today some of my galente logi setups were invalid due to CPU requirement (and it wasn't like that yesterday).
Are you sure you didn't have flaylocks or contact grenades on those fits? I know they did some tweaking on the numbers for them, but not sure on the specifics since I don't use them anyway. |
Sana Rayya
WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL
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Posted - 2013.07.30 14:53:00 -
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They should have kept CPU the same, then taken away either a high slot (and kept the racial bonus) or a low slot (and removed the racial bonus) and given us an extra equipment slot.
So logis could be logis and equipment focused, with the exception of the Amarr as the combat logi due to its sidearm bonus. |
Aquinarius Zoltanus
0uter.Heaven
EoN.
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Posted - 2013.07.30 14:56:00 -
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Deluxe Edition wrote:Every proto logi in the game had the same amount of CPU/PG, so what was the point of nerfing this aspect of the nerf?
I am fine with the delay and the racial bonus nerf, but for the life of me I can't figure out why they lowered our CPU, other than to try and keep their track record alive of nerfing OP stuff to the point where they are virtually unusable.
Ummm, the first sentence is completely false. The Amarr Logi has always had less PG than the other 3. Previously it had been 12 less PG at proto level, and now they bumped it up a bit, but they still have less than all the others. I guess they decided that just like low PG is the Amarr's weakness, lower CPU should be the Caldari's weakness. |
The Attorney General
ZionTCD
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Posted - 2013.07.30 14:56:00 -
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ZDub 303 wrote:
That they would get a 40 CPU nerf? Wow I wish someone would have told me that... I didn't figure the bonus would last.. sure but I definitely couldn't predict this..
Other than the TAC AR, when has CCP been light handed with the nerf hammer? Since most of the best players who went Cal Logi have been around for a while, they already knew this.
Speccing into something that is seemingly OP is a recipe for wasted SP, at least for a few months while CCP finds real balance.
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Den-tredje Baron
ParagonX
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Posted - 2013.07.30 15:03:00 -
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So nice to see everybody showing they'r real colour. Everybody who was playing the caldari logi as it was meant to, has probably already adapted to these changes and altered their fit a bit.
Those who trusted in the Call logi to be their main powerhouse and only focus on killing as many people as they could with 2 nanohives and remotes are now crying because they now have to make so big changes that this has now gotten much harder.
CPU nerf was to make the gap between logis and assaults bigger. AS you've stated yourself the Amarr logi got a lower slot amount and is actually quite weak but if we strengthen it a lot more it's just gonna be the new assault v2 now with sidearm.
As long as assaults bonuses have not gotten redone into something more meaningfull for each of them this is by far the best solution. A solution that doesn't stomp all logis into the ground but still kind of fixes the problem of the call logi. |
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ZDub 303
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Posted - 2013.07.30 15:03:00 -
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The Attorney General wrote:
Speccing into something is a recipe for wasted SP, at least for a few months while CCP finds real balance.
Very true :( |
LCB Holdings
Expert Intervention
Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.07.30 15:12:00 -
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Time to move on to greener pastures.
CCP can take their game, their respecs, trash events and nerfs to the hole where they came from... New Eden |
Deluxe Edition
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Posted - 2013.07.30 15:20:00 -
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Den-tredje Baron wrote:So nice to see everybody showing they'r real colour. Everybody who was playing the caldari logi as it was meant to, has probably already adapted to these changes and altered their fit a bit.
Those who trusted in the Call logi to be their main powerhouse and only focus on killing as many people as they could with 2 nanohives and remotes are now crying because they now have to make so big changes that this has now gotten much harder.
CPU nerf was to make the gap between logis and assaults bigger. AS you've stated yourself the Amarr logi got a lower slot amount and is actually quite weak but if we strengthen it a lot more it's just gonna be the new assault v2 now with sidearm.
As long as assaults bonuses have not gotten redone into something more meaningfull for each of them this is by far the best solution. A solution that doesn't stomp all logis into the ground but still kind of fixes the problem of the call logi.
Guess you didn't get the memo that this had the opposite effect. Players who used equipment now face either running paper thin HP total or abandoning their proto repair tools. |
FATCannon - XOXO
Osmon Surveillance
Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.07.30 15:33:00 -
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That extra low makes it way too combat focused. Having one less equipment slot is just not enough to not see it as the best logi suit. So CPU nerf.
-XOXO |
negative49er
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
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Posted - 2013.07.30 16:02:00 -
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Because they were the scout, heavy, assault, and logi( this make sense) of the game. So really appreciate the Callogi nerf. |
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