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Jason Pearson
Seraphim Auxiliaries
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Posted - 2013.07.30 11:11:00 -
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For everyone with LAV problems, the title is your solution.
(Get a damn soma) |
ChromeBreaker
SVER True Blood
940
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Posted - 2013.07.30 11:13:00 -
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.... AV > LAV's .... |
Jason Pearson
Seraphim Auxiliaries
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Posted - 2013.07.30 11:17:00 -
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ChromeBreaker wrote:.... AV > LAV's ....
See look at that, AV and HAVs kill LAVs, and here I thought they were impossible ^_^ |
ChromeBreaker
SVER True Blood
941
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Posted - 2013.07.30 11:19:00 -
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Jason Pearson wrote:ChromeBreaker wrote:.... AV > LAV's .... See look at that, AV and HAVs kill LAVs, and here I thought they were impossible ^_^
try killing a logi LAV... |
Aeon Amadi
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. League of Infamy
2255
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Posted - 2013.07.30 11:19:00 -
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Jason Pearson wrote:For everyone with LAV problems, the title is your solution.
(Get a damn soma)
And I have a solution to yours.
Drive around while you struggle to turn the turret > Get out of LAV > Forge Gun + Packed AV Grenades
Alternatively, provided you do kill the LAV
Respawn > Call in another LAV > Deal with you first |
Bendtner92
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
819
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Posted - 2013.07.30 11:20:00 -
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LLAVs with 4k shields and 50% resists are so dumb.
Oh and driver with AV nades = dead Soma. |
Jason Pearson
Seraphim Auxiliaries
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Posted - 2013.07.30 11:24:00 -
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ChromeBreaker wrote:Jason Pearson wrote:ChromeBreaker wrote:.... AV > LAV's .... See look at that, AV and HAVs kill LAVs, and here I thought they were impossible ^_^ try killing a logi LAV...
I have, use a soma, shoot the car, all the passengers die :)
Aeon Amadi wrote: And I have a solution to yours.
Drive around while you struggle to turn the turret > Get out of LAV > Forge Gun + Packed AV Grenades
Alternatively, provided you do kill the LAV
Respawn > Call in another LAV > Deal with you first
AV counters Tank. Take the advice the rest of the infantry gives tankers, use cover, play with a team :)
Bendtner92 wrote:LLAVs with 4k shields and 50% resists are so dumb.
Oh and driver with AV nades = dead Soma.
Can't stack 4k shields soz, you can do about 3400 but you lose your booster. 2.9k seems about max for a legit setup. |
Bendtner92
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
819
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Posted - 2013.07.30 11:28:00 -
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Jason Pearson wrote:Can't stack 4k shields soz, you can do about 3400 but you lose your booster. 2.9k seems about max for a legit setup. 3.5k or 4k shields is almost the same. You don't really need a booster as the shield recharge is good enough.
LLAVs with 3.5k shields and 50% resists are so dumb. |
Jason Pearson
Seraphim Auxiliaries
2250
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Posted - 2013.07.30 11:31:00 -
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Bendtner92 wrote:Jason Pearson wrote:Can't stack 4k shields soz, you can do about 3400 but you lose your booster. 2.9k seems about max for a legit setup. 3.5k or 4k shields is almost the same. You don't really need a booster as the shield recharge is good enough. LLAVs with 3.5k shields and 50% resists are so dumb.
Recharge rate on all vehicles is awful, so no, for the LLAV you need a booster, or a red line to keep running back to to recall.
You know what is dumb? AV Grenades that do as much as an entire swarm volley. |
Aeon Amadi
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. League of Infamy
2255
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Posted - 2013.07.30 11:36:00 -
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Jason Pearson wrote:Bendtner92 wrote:Jason Pearson wrote:Can't stack 4k shields soz, you can do about 3400 but you lose your booster. 2.9k seems about max for a legit setup. 3.5k or 4k shields is almost the same. You don't really need a booster as the shield recharge is good enough. LLAVs with 3.5k shields and 50% resists are so dumb. Recharge rate on all vehicles is awful, so no, for the LLAV you need a booster, or a red line to keep running back to to recall. You know what is dumb? AV Grenades that do as much as an entire swarm volley.
'tf would you use a shield LLAV for anyway? Use a Limbus then just hit up the base Supply Depot whenever it gets even remotely damaged - that's what the pro's do.
Face it Jason, you're defending the damn things but you're the only person in the WORLD who honestly thinks that these things are even remotely balanced. Hell even the Imperfects disagree with you and that surprised even me - and I used to hate them (though lately I've found myself agreeing with a lot of their prospective points....) |
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Jason Pearson
Seraphim Auxiliaries
2250
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Posted - 2013.07.30 11:41:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:Jason Pearson wrote:Bendtner92 wrote:Jason Pearson wrote:Can't stack 4k shields soz, you can do about 3400 but you lose your booster. 2.9k seems about max for a legit setup. 3.5k or 4k shields is almost the same. You don't really need a booster as the shield recharge is good enough. LLAVs with 3.5k shields and 50% resists are so dumb. Recharge rate on all vehicles is awful, so no, for the LLAV you need a booster, or a red line to keep running back to to recall. You know what is dumb? AV Grenades that do as much as an entire swarm volley. 'tf would you use a shield LLAV for anyway? Use a Limbus then just hit up the base Supply Depot whenever it gets even remotely damaged - that's what the pro's do. Face it Jason, you're defending the damn things but you're the only person in the WORLD who honestly thinks that these things are even remotely balanced. Hell even the Imperfects disagree with you and that surprised even me - and I used to hate them (though lately I've found myself agreeing with a lot of their prospective points....)
Why? 6 Lai Dai's baby. ;)
I don't believe they are balanced, but I sure as hell don't believe they should be hotfixed, and certainly not in the way most of you guys feel is just. I'll defend the LLAV because I honestly want to use it as support.
Give me a speed reduction, give me massive damage for running people over, make it so when I activate the infantry repper, instead of locking on, it heals in a circular radius, give me Guardian Points for when players inside my bubble get kills. Make it so the turret doesn't shoot the front of the LAV when firing, but do not make them weaker as most of you people want, I pay 250k for my LLAV, I can be shot out of it easily enough and if I had any less eHP I'd be dying constantly to swarms, despite being in a Charybdis |
Vyzion Eyri
The Southern Legion
1086
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Posted - 2013.07.30 11:43:00 -
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It is certainly correct that a Soma can demolish a Baloch.
It is certainly correct that a Madrugar can demolish a Limbus or Charybdis.
But a soma vs. a limbus? No way.
And now when we realise you NEED LAV SKILLS TO GET TO HAVs, we find the problem to your thread title.
For whilst a tank can defeat an LAV of similar meta levels, getting that tank is far more excruciating SP-wise than getting that same LAV.
So why go that extra step into HAV skills, when you can fit an unstoppable LAV? |
Jason Pearson
Seraphim Auxiliaries
2250
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Posted - 2013.07.30 11:48:00 -
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Vyzion Eyri wrote:It is certainly correct that a Soma can demolish a Baloch.
It is certainly correct that a Madrugar can demolish a Limbus or Charybdis.
But a soma vs. a limbus? No way.
And now when we realise you NEED LAV SKILLS TO GET TO HAVs, we find the problem to your thread title.
For whilst a tank can defeat an LAV of similar meta levels, getting that tank is far more excruciating SP-wise than getting that same LAV.
So why go that extra step into HAV skills, when you can fit an unstoppable LAV?
Wrong.
A Soma with a Blaster will kill a Baloch, a Soma with a Blaster will demolish the driver of either LLAV. Just aim for the LAV and you will kill the driver. |
Cosgar
ParagonX
3379
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Posted - 2013.07.30 11:48:00 -
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I found remote explosives and some patience to be more effective. (Just wish proximity mines were equally as effective) |
Jason Pearson
Seraphim Auxiliaries
2251
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Posted - 2013.07.30 11:56:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:I found remote explosives and some patience to be more effective. (Just wish proximity mines were equally as effective)
Proxy Mines need a buff, but it scares me when I'm racing down the road and get hit by about 12 Proximity Mines, I'm dead of course, that if we do buff them, people will be able to instagib any vehicle on the road lol. |
Cosgar
ParagonX
3380
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Posted - 2013.07.30 12:03:00 -
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Jason Pearson wrote:Cosgar wrote:I found remote explosives and some patience to be more effective. (Just wish proximity mines were equally as effective) Proxy Mines need a buff, but it scares me when I'm racing down the road and get hit by about 12 Proximity Mines, I'm dead of course, that if we do buff them, people will be able to instagib any vehicle on the road lol. That's kind of the point of having them. Back when everyone complained about free murder taxis, I would camp common routes with a gauged nanohive and mines, collecting free kills. Damage is fine, but we should have access to more carried like in Chrome and better scaling from 6 at standard to 12 proto. People want logis to use more equipment, give us more equipment to use. |
Poplo Furuya
Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation
499
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Posted - 2013.07.30 12:28:00 -
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For the time being Blaster turrets shoot out LLAV drivers with an incredibly high success rate. Take Turret Operations to 2, Small Hybrids to 1 and stick a Compressed Blaster on a Baloch. Takes all of 30k SP.
Get a gunner to run with you or block the LLAV when he's on an attack run, while their movement is arrested shoot them out of the vehicle. |
Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
980
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Posted - 2013.07.30 12:29:00 -
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Jason Pearson wrote:For everyone with LAV problems, the title is your solution.
(Get a damn soma)
I'm sorry I blew up your Chary, but it had to be done. |
Jason Pearson
Seraphim Auxiliaries
2254
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Posted - 2013.07.30 12:42:00 -
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Chunky Munkey wrote:Jason Pearson wrote:For everyone with LAV problems, the title is your solution.
(Get a damn soma) I'm sorry I blew up your Chary, but it had to be done.
We're not friends anymore :( |
Charlotte O'Dell
0uter.Heaven EoN.
787
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Posted - 2013.07.30 12:58:00 -
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ChromeBreaker wrote:Jason Pearson wrote:ChromeBreaker wrote:.... AV > LAV's .... See look at that, AV and HAVs kill LAVs, and here I thought they were impossible ^_^ try killing a logi LAV...
You kill the driver; not the LAV. It's easy. |
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Charlotte O'Dell
0uter.Heaven EoN.
787
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Posted - 2013.07.30 13:00:00 -
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Vyzion Eyri wrote:It is certainly correct that a Soma can demolish a Baloch.
It is certainly correct that a Madrugar can demolish a Limbus or Charybdis.
But a soma vs. a limbus? No way.
And now when we realise you NEED LAV SKILLS TO GET TO HAVs, we find the problem to your thread title.
For whilst a tank can defeat an LAV of similar meta levels, getting that tank is far more excruciating SP-wise than getting that same LAV.
So why go that extra step into HAV skills, when you can fit an unstoppable LAV?
I've been shot out of my llav my turrets so no u don't need tank skills. |
Aeon Amadi
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. League of Infamy
2256
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Posted - 2013.07.30 13:44:00 -
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Okay, so basically what I'm hearing is that an HAV with a Scattered Blaster will -NOT- kill an LAV, but the driver within and that's by sheer technicality because the hit boxes are wonky.
So, instead of proposing a legitimate AV path that anyone can use you literally have to spec into Vehicles in order to handle up on the LAVs.
Am I the only person here who thinks this is just INSANE? |
Jason Pearson
Seraphim Auxiliaries
2256
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Posted - 2013.07.30 13:47:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:Okay, so basically what I'm hearing is that an HAV with a Scattered Blaster will -NOT- kill an LAV, but the driver within and that's by sheer technicality because the hit boxes are wonky.
So, instead of proposing a legitimate AV path that anyone can use you literally have to spec into Vehicles in order to handle up on the LAVs.
Am I the only person here who thinks this is just INSANE?
Read my other post. This doesn't look like its going to get fixed soon, and it shouldn't until the rebalance. You want to nerf LAVs, that's fine, but I've offered all of you a reasonable alternative rather than crying at this moment in time. |
Justin Tymes
Raymond James Corp
261
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Posted - 2013.07.30 13:47:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:Jason Pearson wrote:Cosgar wrote:I found remote explosives and some patience to be more effective. (Just wish proximity mines were equally as effective) Proxy Mines need a buff, but it scares me when I'm racing down the road and get hit by about 12 Proximity Mines, I'm dead of course, that if we do buff them, people will be able to instagib any vehicle on the road lol. That's kind of the point of having them. Back when everyone complained about free murder taxis, I would camp common routes with a gauged nanohive and mines, collecting free kills. Damage is fine, but we should have access to more carried like in Chrome and better scaling from 6 at standard to 12 proto. People want logis to use more equipment, give us more equipment to use.
I disagree on the damage being fine, it needs to be buffed, especially on the proto level. |
Poplo Furuya
Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation
499
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Posted - 2013.07.30 17:12:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:Okay, so basically what I'm hearing is that an HAV with a Scattered Blaster will -NOT- kill an LAV, but the driver within and that's by sheer technicality because the hit boxes are wonky.
So, instead of proposing a legitimate AV path that anyone can use you literally have to spec into Vehicles in order to handle up on the LAVs.
Am I the only person here who thinks this is just INSANE? Spec into vehicles? A MLT 20GJ Blaster on a MLT Baloch can get the job done, no SP required. Edit: hell, I've had no problems doing this with the MLT Blaster in a friend's own LLAV. He doesn't have turret operation himself, it was the worst Blaster turret and in a vehicle that gets a damage debuff on it's gun. Still worked fine.
30k SP nets you Turret Operation 2, Small Hybrid Turrets 1. +5% damage from skills and access to a Compressed Blaster with 25% more damage than a vanilla blaster. 30k SP isn't much to ask for to gain a potent anti-LLAV solution and a +5% damage boost whenever you man a mate's blaster.
Standard AV also has the Wiyrkomi Breach FG in it's arsenal. Severely under acknowledged weapon, not so great in an AI capacity as it's brothers but an incredibly powerful source of burst damage. Base damage of around 2700, boosted by two damage mods and proficiency 3... looking at around 3350 damage in a single shot. That will total many lesser LLAVs and leave survivors unable to survive one more hit from any form of AV, be it swarms or grenades.
Alternately try baiting with a Scrambler Pistol, headshots will kill the driver real fast even in a heavy suit. Head hitbox seems to be pretty easy to hit on an LAV driver.
Two out of three of those solutions can be used to fight LAVs without needing much SP investment. |
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