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negative49er
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
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Posted - 2013.07.28 04:06:00 -
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it been difficult to hold my own battle when i get solo'd by a dude with a proto nade and bring my armor to 10% and even 5% in a matter of seconds. The proto Av weapons and forcing me to retreat the moment I enter battle. The iskunkone assault forge gun can destroy a gunnologi in a full clip if the it can't retreat, also I thought assault variation are suppose to fast to fire, but low in damage, but the iskunkone is even powerful to letave a huge dent in a madruger. Now that CCP found the 3x rep bug on armor vehicle my tank is going to suffer more than it already does. I max out the Gallente HAV to 5 hoping that one day i can my proto tank and be more use to my team than being a coward. I took the blaster off my tank and replace them with missile launcher ( so i can still be in battle, but not too close), now all my tank are range vehicles and i refuse to put a blaster on my tank unless CCP give us driver something to use
Now Tanks got it hard |
Void Echo
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
853
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Posted - 2013.07.28 04:31:00 -
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negative49er wrote:it been difficult to hold my own battle when i get solo'd by a dude with a proto nade and bring my armor to 10% and even 5% in a matter of seconds. The proto Av weapons and forcing me to retreat the moment I enter battle. The iskunkone assault forge gun can destroy a gunnologi in a full clip if the it can't retreat, also I thought assault variation are suppose to fast to fire, but low in damage, but the iskunkone is even powerful to letave a huge dent in a madruger. Now that CCP found the 3x rep bug on armor vehicle my tank is going to suffer more than it already does. I max out the Gallente HAV to 5 hoping that one day i can my proto tank and be more use to my team than being a coward. I took the blaster off my tank and replace them with missile launcher ( so i can still be in battle, but not too close), now all my tank are range vehicles and i refuse to put a blaster on my tank unless CCP give us driver something to use
Now Tanks got it hard
you missed the forums battles we had weeks ago over the state of HAVs, I think ccp finally listened to us this time though |
Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
6655
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Posted - 2013.07.28 04:32:00 -
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If you see a guy running towards you and he doesn't have AV he doesn't have a suicide wish. |
medomai grey
WarRavens League of Infamy
89
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Posted - 2013.07.28 04:52:00 -
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Void Echo wrote:you missed the forums battles we had weeks ago over the state of HAVs, I think ccp finally listened to us this time though I wouldn't call that a "forums battle". It was more like a gathering of newb tankers calling themselves "vets" and crying on the forums about how they keep losing tanks; see the irony . Whenever someone disagreed with them or tried to help them with good advise, the newbs told them to HTFU and vomited up copious amounts of BS logic. It got so bad that they convinced CCP to not fix an exploit. |
FATPrincess - XOXO
Shining Flame Amarr Empire
308
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Posted - 2013.07.28 04:57:00 -
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LOL @ Gallente HAV lvl 5. So much wasted SP there. I don't see proto tanks anytime soon.
-XOXO |
Shattered Mirage
The Enclave Syndicate Dark Taboo
13
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Posted - 2013.07.28 04:58:00 -
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Hopefully CCP listened but,... Meh, they will probably just nerf it instead |
Knightshade Belladonna
Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation
731
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Posted - 2013.07.28 04:58:00 -
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FATPrincess - XOXO wrote:LOL @ Gallente HAV lvl 5. So much wasted SP there. I don't see proto tanks anytime soon.
-XOXO
it's just around the corner...
and then at end of that really fkn long road after |
Heathen Bastard
Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation
399
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Posted - 2013.07.28 04:59:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:If you see a guy running towards you and he doesn't have AV he doesn't have a suicide wish.
Yeah, he actually has the hands down best AV in the game for armor(it's a close second to forge guns for shields). Good thing CCP isn't going to do **** about that though. you know, because it's balanced to have something that can do 3.5k damage a throw, and be thrown every second. and you can shove a nanohive up your ass and become an impassable wall of death for tanks/ every vehicle in the game that isn't a dropship. |
Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
6656
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Posted - 2013.07.28 05:04:00 -
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CCP would have loved to have done something but it was simply too big for 1.4. |
Duran Lex
Silver Talon Corporation
116
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Posted - 2013.07.28 05:09:00 -
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Heathen Bastard wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:If you see a guy running towards you and he doesn't have AV he doesn't have a suicide wish. Yeah, he actually has the hands down best AV in the game for armor( it's a close second to forge guns for shields). Good thing CCP isn't going to do **** about that though. you know, because it's balanced to have something that can do 3.5k damage a throw, and be thrown every second. and you can shove a nanohive up your ass and become an impassable wall of death for tanks/ every vehicle in the game that isn't a dropship.
I may be too tired, but are you implying forge guns are strong against shields? Cause it's a hybrid weapon.
Plasma cannon is the AV shield destroyer. Its just in a state of "loluseless" atm. |
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CoD isAIDS
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
66
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Posted - 2013.07.28 05:12:00 -
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medomai grey wrote:Void Echo wrote:you missed the forums battles we had weeks ago over the state of HAVs, I think ccp finally listened to us this time though I wouldn't call that a "forums battle". It was more like a gathering of newb tankers calling themselves "vets" and crying on the forums about how they keep losing tanks; see the irony . Whenever someone disagreed with them or tried to help them with good advise, the newbs told them to HTFU and vomited up copious amounts of BS logic. It got so bad that they convinced CCP to not fix an exploit. I think the invisible man glitch is more of an exploit than the repair modules are, because as has been pointed out, it's been that way through multiple builds. That is entirely on CCP. It has absolutely nothing to do with those that use armor tanks. You think we found some way to glitch more armor to be repaired? |
CoD isAIDS
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
66
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Posted - 2013.07.28 05:13:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:CCP Wolfman is working on vehicle fixes as soon as he can he's very busy with not just infantry weapons and gear but also controls. Maybe his team should be expanded. |
CoD isAIDS
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
66
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Posted - 2013.07.28 05:14:00 -
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Duran Lex wrote:Heathen Bastard wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:If you see a guy running towards you and he doesn't have AV he doesn't have a suicide wish. Yeah, he actually has the hands down best AV in the game for armor( it's a close second to forge guns for shields). Good thing CCP isn't going to do **** about that though. you know, because it's balanced to have something that can do 3.5k damage a throw, and be thrown every second. and you can shove a nanohive up your ass and become an impassable wall of death for tanks/ every vehicle in the game that isn't a dropship. I may be too tired, but are you implying forge guns are strong against shields? Cause it's a hybrid weapon. Plasma cannon is the AV shield destroyer. Its just in a state of "loluseless" atm. Sounds to me like you're using a militia forge gun. |
Duran Lex
Silver Talon Corporation
116
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Posted - 2013.07.28 05:15:00 -
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CoD isAIDS wrote:Duran Lex wrote:Heathen Bastard wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:If you see a guy running towards you and he doesn't have AV he doesn't have a suicide wish. Yeah, he actually has the hands down best AV in the game for armor( it's a close second to forge guns for shields). Good thing CCP isn't going to do **** about that though. you know, because it's balanced to have something that can do 3.5k damage a throw, and be thrown every second. and you can shove a nanohive up your ass and become an impassable wall of death for tanks/ every vehicle in the game that isn't a dropship. I may be too tired, but are you implying forge guns are strong against shields? Cause it's a hybrid weapon. Plasma cannon is the AV shield destroyer. Its just in a state of "loluseless" atm. Sounds to me like you're using a militia forge gun.
I'm not saying my Ishukone can't destroy shield tanks...but if I'm not mistaken, hybrid weapons deal equal damage to armor and shields? |
The legend345
TeamPlayers EoN.
826
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Posted - 2013.07.28 05:16:00 -
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medomai grey wrote:Void Echo wrote:you missed the forums battles we had weeks ago over the state of HAVs, I think ccp finally listened to us this time though I wouldn't call that a "forums battle". It was more like a gathering of newb tankers calling themselves "vets" and crying on the forums about how they keep losing tanks; see the irony . Whenever someone disagreed with them or tried to help them with good advise, the newbs told them to HTFU and vomited up copious amounts of BS logic. It got so bad that they convinced CCP to not fix an exploit. Do you drive tanks? Do you make a profit in tanks? Do play pc in tanks? Enough said |
medomai grey
WarRavens League of Infamy
93
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Posted - 2013.07.28 06:04:00 -
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The legend345 wrote:medomai grey wrote:Void Echo wrote:you missed the forums battles we had weeks ago over the state of HAVs, I think ccp finally listened to us this time though I wouldn't call that a "forums battle". It was more like a gathering of newb tankers calling themselves "vets" and crying on the forums about how they keep losing tanks; see the irony . Whenever someone disagreed with them or tried to help them with good advise, the newbs told them to HTFU and vomited up copious amounts of BS logic. It got so bad that they convinced CCP to not fix an exploit. Do you drive tanks? Do you make a profit in tanks? Do play pc in tanks? Enough said Here is a fine sample of hot steaming BS logic.
The statement implies that I have no credibility to speak on this game's tanks because I don't use them; I do by the way. So all those mercs who use AV on tanks, the one who watch tanks either dominate or blow up have no legit insight on tanking. Do you realize how stupid that is? That the equivalent of saying biologists can't comment on the microbes they observed under the microscope because they themselves are not single cell organisms. That how silly The legend345's statement is. And this is only the tip of the iceberg of the stupidity that was posted in the thread Void Echo is referring to. |
The legend345
TeamPlayers EoN.
826
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Posted - 2013.07.28 06:25:00 -
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medomai grey wrote:The legend345 wrote:medomai grey wrote:Void Echo wrote:you missed the forums battles we had weeks ago over the state of HAVs, I think ccp finally listened to us this time though I wouldn't call that a "forums battle". It was more like a gathering of newb tankers calling themselves "vets" and crying on the forums about how they keep losing tanks; see the irony . Whenever someone disagreed with them or tried to help them with good advise, the newbs told them to HTFU and vomited up copious amounts of BS logic. It got so bad that they convinced CCP to not fix an exploit. Do you drive tanks? Do you make a profit in tanks? Do play pc in tanks? Enough said Here is a fine sample of hot steaming BS logic. The statement implies that I have no credibility to speak on this game's tanks because I don't use them; I do by the way. So all those mercs who use AV on tanks, the one who watch tanks either dominate or blow up have no legit insight on tanking. Do you realize how stupid that is? That the equivalent of saying biologists can't comment on the microbes they observed under the microscope because they themselves are not single cell organisms. That how silly The legend345's statement is. And this is only the tip of the iceberg of the stupidity that was posted in the thread Void Echo is referring to. Oh so you do drive tanks. Do you survive? Do you profit? Do you tank in pc? They are questions. I ask because its "silly" for you to think tanks are fine and don't need the repping bug. My logic is your not a good tanker, who are you to say how to balance tanks? You have nothing to your name. That's my logic. I don't care if you use the tank or if you use AV. I care if you play pc if your a good player and play against other good players. I dont need some random pub player telling me anything about vehicle balance. Have a good day sir |
Billi Gene
The Southern Legion
184
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Posted - 2013.07.28 06:34:00 -
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The legend345 wrote:medomai grey wrote:The legend345 wrote:medomai grey wrote:Void Echo wrote:you missed the forums battles we had weeks ago over the state of HAVs, I think ccp finally listened to us this time though I wouldn't call that a "forums battle". It was more like a gathering of newb tankers calling themselves "vets" and crying on the forums about how they keep losing tanks; see the irony . Whenever someone disagreed with them or tried to help them with good advise, the newbs told them to HTFU and vomited up copious amounts of BS logic. It got so bad that they convinced CCP to not fix an exploit. Do you drive tanks? Do you make a profit in tanks? Do play pc in tanks? Enough said Here is a fine sample of hot steaming BS logic. The statement implies that I have no credibility to speak on this game's tanks because I don't use them; I do by the way. So all those mercs who use AV on tanks, the one who watch tanks either dominate or blow up have no legit insight on tanking. Do you realize how stupid that is? That the equivalent of saying biologists can't comment on the microbes they observed under the microscope because they themselves are not single cell organisms. That how silly The legend345's statement is. And this is only the tip of the iceberg of the stupidity that was posted in the thread Void Echo is referring to. Oh so you do drive tanks. Do you survive? Do you profit? Do you tank in pc? They are questions. I ask because its "silly" for you to think tanks are fine and don't need the repping bug. My logic is your not a good tanker, who are you to say how to balance tanks? You have nothing to your name. That's my logic. I don't care if you use the tank or if you use AV. I care if you play pc if your a good player and play against other good players. I dont need some random pub player telling me anything about vehicle balance. Have a good day sir
the problem with trying to be an expert: you're always looking for someone you can claim knows less than you.
let us not forget: PC the game mode that brought us the Caldari Logi suit fiasco. If that is what you wish to balance this game around good luck to you, but i prefer balance wrought from actual... you know... balance.
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medomai grey
WarRavens League of Infamy
94
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Posted - 2013.07.28 06:46:00 -
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CoD isAIDS wrote: I think the invisible man glitch is more of an exploit than the repair modules are, because as has been pointed out, it's been that way through multiple builds. That is entirely on CCP. It has absolutely nothing to do with those that use armor tanks. You think we found some way to glitch more armor to be repaired?
The Oxford dictionary site defines exploit as to "make full use of and derive benefit from (a resource)". The word is normally used to imply that the benefit gained is unfair.
Was the armor repair bug an exploit before it was common knowledge? No. You can't make full use of something you didn't know about.
Is the armor repair bug an exploit after it became common knowledge? Yes, because people are knowingly benefiting from a bug that is unfair to other players, particularly shield tankers and AV users.
Does crying on these forms to CCP to keep the armor repair bug so you can keep exploiting it make you look pathetic?
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Alpha 443-6732
Pure Innocence. EoN.
46
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Posted - 2013.07.28 07:06:00 -
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medomai grey wrote:CoD isAIDS wrote: I think the invisible man glitch is more of an exploit than the repair modules are, because as has been pointed out, it's been that way through multiple builds. That is entirely on CCP. It has absolutely nothing to do with those that use armor tanks. You think we found some way to glitch more armor to be repaired?
The Oxford dictionary site defines exploit as to "make full use of and derive benefit from (a resource)". The word is normally used to imply that the benefit gained is unfair. Was the armor repair bug an exploit before it was common knowledge? No. You can't make full use of something you didn't know about. Is the armor repair bug an exploit after it became common knowledge? Yes, because people are knowingly benefiting from a bug that is unfair to other players, particularly shield tankers and AV users. Does crying on these forms to CCP to keep the armor repair bug so you can keep exploiting it make you look pathetic?
Look at this pseudo-intellectual.
Stop grabbing at straws, drama queen. The "abuse" that you speak of was unintentional, and even added to gameplay balance.
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Our Deepest Regret
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2013.07.28 07:07:00 -
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I'm a noob, not an expert, but I'm an observant noob. This is stuff I've noticed.
1. Whenever tankers complain about how unfair it is to field standard vehicles against protoype AV, the AV players always bring up the hypothetical "Super-tanker," who through some incredible fit, is immune to damage no matter how much effort the AV puts into it. "Why, if you buff tanks too much, those super-tankers will become unkillable gods and it'll screw us all over! It's already bad enough that five people have to use our launchers to take out one tank!"
2. I have not found ANY super-tankers in the game. What I have done is ride shotgun with a few really good missile gunlogi drivers. You know, shield tanks? The guys whom you don't get any damage bonuses against if you use swarm launchers? yeah, those guys. What I've found is that people like to try to use swarm launchers against them. Good lord, the poor bastards got eaten alive for making the attempt. You know what they did upon revival? They used swarm launchers against the gunny again. SMDH.
Anyway, I'm pretty sure this solved the mystery of the so-called super-tankers. Bums me out, because I want to meet one and beg him for his fit. |
Xocoyol Zaraoul
Superior Genetics
965
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Posted - 2013.07.28 07:11:00 -
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My Gunnies are as "super tanker" as you'll ever get with EHP, and I don't think I'm even halfway invincible Maybe there are some nifty Maddie fits though that I'm not aware of, but whatever, the forums exist to amuse me and I'll play regardless of what is on them. |
medomai grey
WarRavens League of Infamy
94
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Posted - 2013.07.28 07:18:00 -
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The legend345 wrote:Oh so you do drive tanks. Do you survive? Do you profit? Do you tank in pc? They are questions. I ask because its "silly" for you to think tanks are fine and don't need the repping bug. My logic is your not a good tanker, who are you to say how to balance tanks? You have nothing to your name. That's my logic. I don't care if you use the tank or if you use AV. I care if you play pc if your a good player and play against other good players. I dont need some random pub player telling me anything about vehicle balance. Have a good day sir I find it comical that after I explain to you why your logic in discrediting others is flawed you continue to push that flawed logic, expanding on it as if more words would make it any truer. It ain't Tinkerbell, you can stop clapping now.
Also, where have I told you tanks are fine? Are you now trying to shove your hand up my ass to treat me like a sock puppet so that I'll vomit your BS? You sick pervert.
And no, I'm not a good tanker. But neither are you. So by your own logic you should HTFU in regards to all matters that deal with tanks. |
Rusty Shallows
Black Jackals
184
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Posted - 2013.07.28 07:42:00 -
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Our Deepest Regret wrote:I'm a noob, not an expert, but I'm an observant noob. This is stuff I've noticed.
1. Whenever tankers complain about how unfair it is to field standard vehicles against protoype AV, the AV players always bring up the hypothetical "Super-tanker," who through some incredible fit, is immune to damage no matter how much effort the AV puts into it. "Why, if you buff tanks too much, those super-tankers will become unkillable gods and it'll screw us all over! It's already bad enough that five people have to use our launchers to take out one tank!"
2. I have not found ANY super-tankers in the game. What I have done is ride shotgun with a few really good missile gunlogi drivers. You know, shield tanks? The guys whom you don't get any damage bonuses against if you use swarm launchers? yeah, those guys. What I've found is that people like to try to use swarm launchers against them. Good lord, the poor bastards got eaten alive for making the attempt. You know what they did upon revival? They used swarm launchers against the gunny again. SMDH.
Anyway, I'm pretty sure this solved the mystery of the so-called super-tankers. Bums me out, because I want to meet one and beg him for his fit. HAV pilots simply get to enjoy the same learning curve as Eve Online. It doesn't help that the Skill Points needed in Vehicle Upgrades is not pretty.
I'm not sure what Supper Tankers you were referencing but there are standard HAVs that can solo tank my Ishukone FG. That has been an observed fact. Sometime I dual proto team with a swarm buddy other times attempt maneuvering to get a firing position on the top or rear armor. |
Purona
The Vanguardians
26
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Posted - 2013.07.28 09:04:00 -
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but the assault forge gun is low upfront damage and fast rate of fire
breach is high upfront damage but low rate of fire
the regular forge on the other hand has thee worse damage per second out of all forge guns but it allows you to move and store charges |
Ninjanomyx
One Who Bears Fangs At GOD
118
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Posted - 2013.07.28 09:51:00 -
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medomai grey wrote:The legend345 wrote:Oh so you do drive tanks. Do you survive? Do you profit? Do you tank in pc? They are questions. I ask because its "silly" for you to think tanks are fine and don't need the repping bug. My logic is your not a good tanker, who are you to say how to balance tanks? You have nothing to your name. That's my logic. I don't care if you use the tank or if you use AV. I care if you play pc if your a good player and play against other good players. I dont need some random pub player telling me anything about vehicle balance. Have a good day sir I find it comical that after I explain to you why your logic in discrediting others is flawed you continue to push that flawed logic, expanding on it as if more words would make it any truer. It ain't Tinkerbell, you can stop clapping now. Also, where have I told you tanks are fine? Are you now trying to shove your hand up my ass to treat me like a sock puppet so that I'll vomit your BS? You sick pervert. And no, I'm not a good tanker. But neither are you. So by your own logic you should HTFU in regards to all matters that deal with tanks.
If you were "Good".....this Discussion would be over :P |
Kekklian Noobatronic
Goonfeet Top Men.
229
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Posted - 2013.07.28 09:53:00 -
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*sigh* Time to smack down another noob tanker.
Look pal, I see you're Unholy Legion of Darkstar. They got some really great tankers in there. I imagine you saw them and looked up and said "Thats so cool, I want to do that!". So you spent a few mil in tanks and think you're "In like flynn" now.
You clearly are not one of them.
Here we go.
negative49er wrote:it been difficult to hold my own battle when i get solo'd by a dude with a proto nade and bring my armor to 10% and even 5% in a matter of seconds. ,
Throwing grenades has an inherent Cooldown. Also, even Packed Lai Dai doing full damage to armor only(rare) have an upper limit on damage(Roughly 6321.6). This is applied over the span of 4 seconds. In that time, what you're saying is that the person has not only managed to get close to you(Your situational awareness failed), but that when the damage did start coming in you did not have the presence of mind to activate reps(Staying cool under fire)?
Sounds like a personal problem to me. At least you lived. Odds are good if you activated reps you'd be able to GTFO of dodge. I've seen plenty of tanks eat my Lai Dai, then Wrykomi Swarms and still run away. That's because the Mardrugars reps are OP.
Additionally, you said "Hold your own". Are you seriously driving solo with no friends? Big mistake. Real tankers don't make that mistake.
TLDR; Fit a rep and have the presense of mind to use it, and bring friends noob.
negative49er wrote:The proto Av weapons and forcing me to retreat the moment I enter battle. No kidding? That's sorta their job. To keep you keen. Tanks are not auto-win's, there are counters(Hint: that's why they call it ANTI VEHICLE). Noob.
negative49er wrote:The iskunkone assault forge gun can destroy a gunnologi in a full clip if the it can't retreat, also I thought assault variation are suppose to fast to fire, but low in damage, but the iskunkone is even powerful to letave a huge dent in a madruger. That's one crappy Gunnlogi then. Especially since Forge Guns are now 90% damage to Shield, rendering their upper damage limit (without taking skills or hardeners into account - usually another 20-50%!) per clip at 6220 base(EDIT: Yes, proficencies and Damage mods can push it higher, but are often negated by Shield Tankers stacked resists). And it's against moving targets. And we apply that damage over 6(on paper, usually 7.5) seconds. Again, see first rebuttal - this comes down to the tank drivers presence of mind. Turn your hardeners on, activate your reps, and you will make it out alive.
negative49er wrote:Now that CCP found the 3x rep bug on armor vehicle my tank is going to suffer more than it already does. They said they found it, but the idiot Dev that found it also said he was going to leave it. Clearly, he's a Mardrugar pilot who cant stand to see his 'I Win' button nerfed either.
CCP is their own worst enemy to this games survival..
negative49er wrote:I max out the Gallente HAV to 5 hoping that one day i can my proto tank and be more use to my team than being a coward. I took the blaster off my tank and replace them with missile launcher ( so i can still be in battle, but not too close), now all my tank are range vehicles and i refuse to put a blaster on my tank unless CCP give us driver something to us
Now Tanks got it hard Not sure what's going on here, but I will agree that the bonuses are jacked up across the board, for tanks and suits. So no rebuttal here.
Everyone has it hard. Welcome to DUST 514.
Overall, 4/10. I've seen more though out posts. This one just came across as whiny. |
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