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Exmaple Core wrote:You play a properly balanced, fair and fun class. Liking the class, you dump all 15 mill SP to your name into the class. Suddenly, new build/patch comes around and your class is nerfed without your consent and you now suck at the game. You spawn in your proto suit or your vehical and you are killed over and over, loosing all your ISK. You are told you can not play PC because the one class you are good at, sucks. Nobody wants you in any serious endeavor in dust because your class is nerfed to the point of uselessness. Like current shield tanks, dropships, lazers, plasma cannons and soon to be armor tanks when they fix the bug that is causing them to be balanced. You no longer want to play dust, as the class you played is ruined and so is your ability to enjoy playing dust, because the developers ruined the class you speced into. CCP later anounes that they will not be fixing your class for many months and they ask you to accept their most sincere apologies, despite changing the class that you speced into many months beforehand. Should you get a respec? This happened to the classes mentioned previously and will happen again when the fix the armor tanks I agree with a respec but after all the weapons are implemented and balanced so there is no fotm **** |
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Exmaple Core wrote:Heimdallr69 wrote:Exmaple Core wrote:You play a properly balanced, fair and fun class. Liking the class, you dump all 15 mill SP to your name into the class. Suddenly, new build/patch comes around and your class is nerfed without your consent and you now suck at the game. You spawn in your proto suit or your vehical and you are killed over and over, loosing all your ISK. You are told you can not play PC because the one class you are good at, sucks. Nobody wants you in any serious endeavor in dust because your class is nerfed to the point of uselessness. Like current shield tanks, dropships, lazers, plasma cannons and soon to be armor tanks when they fix the bug that is causing them to be balanced. You no longer want to play dust, as the class you played is ruined and so is your ability to enjoy playing dust, because the developers ruined the class you speced into. CCP later anounes that they will not be fixing your class for many months and they ask you to accept their most sincere apologies, despite changing the class that you speced into many months beforehand. Should you get a respec? This happened to the classes mentioned previously and will happen again when the fix the armor tanks I agree with a respec but after all the weapons are implemented and balanced so there is no fotm **** That wont help those screwed over right now or for the next 2 years (ish) Get rid of the cap and ill agree otherwise I could care less I skilled into what I need for situations |
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Posted - 2013.07.28 07:15:00 -
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Exmaple Core wrote:Heimdallr69 wrote:Exmaple Core wrote:Heimdallr69 wrote:Exmaple Core wrote:You play a properly balanced, fair and fun class. Liking the class, you dump all 15 mill SP to your name into the class. Suddenly, new build/patch comes around and your class is nerfed without your consent and you now suck at the game. You spawn in your proto suit or your vehical and you are killed over and over, loosing all your ISK. You are told you can not play PC because the one class you are good at, sucks. Nobody wants you in any serious endeavor in dust because your class is nerfed to the point of uselessness. Like current shield tanks, dropships, lazers, plasma cannons and soon to be armor tanks when they fix the bug that is causing them to be balanced. You no longer want to play dust, as the class you played is ruined and so is your ability to enjoy playing dust, because the developers ruined the class you speced into. CCP later anounes that they will not be fixing your class for many months and they ask you to accept their most sincere apologies, despite changing the class that you speced into many months beforehand. Should you get a respec? This happened to the classes mentioned previously and will happen again when the fix the armor tanks I agree with a respec but after all the weapons are implemented and balanced so there is no fotm **** That wont help those screwed over right now or for the next 2 years (ish) Get rid of the cap and ill agree otherwise I could care less I skilled into what I need for situations Were always going to have a cap, no matter what and we should. But you would care if you suddenly suck at the game because what you skilled into get nerfed into unreasonable levels. Then a respec would be appropriate Wait you went tanker again wtf? |
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Posted - 2013.07.28 07:21:00 -
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For tankers should be given a respec..... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T85rSUPT5w8&feature=youtube_gdata_player , ill sign |
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Exmaple Core wrote:Sadly. a motivator in why i stand up to the haters, speds, Devs and derps who vote against respecs. Because iknow first hand what its like to invest time and SP into a class and have it ruined due to balancing. I would gladly respec if i could, to have a fighting chance and be useful again but i cant becuase im doomed to play the mistake CCP gave me. Myslef and others I support it for vehicles but none of those calogis anything but them |
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ZDub 303 wrote:Heimdallr69 wrote:Exmaple Core wrote:Sadly. a motivator in why i stand up to the haters, speds, Devs and derps who vote against respecs. Because iknow first hand what its like to invest time and SP into a class and have it ruined due to balancing. I would gladly respec if i could, to have a fighting chance and be useful again but i cant becuase im doomed to play the mistake CCP gave me. Myslef and others I support it for vehicles but none of those calogis anything but them Yes those evil caldari logis should pay for their sins! Not so much that its OP but after the respec everyone went to it even though they knew it would get nerfed |
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Posted - 2013.07.28 07:36:00 -
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That was the first thing that came to my mind when I heard tanks, I love them so much but they suck |
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ZDub 303 wrote:Heimdallr69 wrote:ZDub 303 wrote:Heimdallr69 wrote:Exmaple Core wrote:Sadly. a motivator in why i stand up to the haters, speds, Devs and derps who vote against respecs. Because iknow first hand what its like to invest time and SP into a class and have it ruined due to balancing. I would gladly respec if i could, to have a fighting chance and be useful again but i cant becuase im doomed to play the mistake CCP gave me. Myslef and others I support it for vehicles but none of those calogis anything but them Yes those evil caldari logis should pay for their sins! Not so much that its OP but after the respec everyone went to it even though they knew it would get nerfed What if some people spec'd into it, wanting a shield tanked logistics, knowing full well the shield buff was probably going to be removed, but then are forced to deal with -40 base CPU. They tried to predict CCPs nerfs and failed. Now they have to pay for it. Running a logi class that might not be suited to what they intended from the get go? Saying oh they have 9 slots stfu and gtfo is the reasonable answer? Honestly, after they fix armor, min logi and gal logi will be the much better choice, and many of those guys who picked cal logi to logi with shields would probably have picked min... Now they just have to live with it... I think its ****** personally. I actually think the CPU nerf is probably perfect for balance. But it's not what people bought with their 10 weeks of SP. Hopefully we can see a respec for logis in 1.4, once they redone bonuses. Cause sounds like the changes are drastic. Well I get that but the people that think they should have the bonus the highs lows and the equipment and use it for assault purposes..for true logis I apologize |
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Posted - 2013.07.28 07:44:00 -
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dday3six wrote:Heimdallr69 wrote:ZDub 303 wrote:Heimdallr69 wrote:Exmaple Core wrote:Sadly. a motivator in why i stand up to the haters, speds, Devs and derps who vote against respecs. Because iknow first hand what its like to invest time and SP into a class and have it ruined due to balancing. I would gladly respec if i could, to have a fighting chance and be useful again but i cant becuase im doomed to play the mistake CCP gave me. Myslef and others I support it for vehicles but none of those calogis anything but them Yes those evil caldari logis should pay for their sins! Not so much that its OP but after the respec everyone went to it even though they knew it would get nerfed "Don't play with that, it'll get nerfed", shouldn't be a required line of thinking when judging what to skill into. I had to, I looked at it and thought and thought then decided wasn't worth the chance if you can see it coming why not avoid it? |
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Posted - 2013.07.28 07:47:00 -
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ZDub 303 wrote:Heimdallr69 wrote:ZDub 303 wrote:
What if some people spec'd into it, wanting a shield tanked logistics, knowing full well the shield buff was probably going to be removed, but then are forced to deal with -40 base CPU. They tried to predict CCPs nerfs and failed. Now they have to pay for it. Running a logi class that might not be suited to what they intended from the get go?
Saying oh they have 9 slots stfu and gtfo is the reasonable answer?
Honestly, after they fix armor, min logi and gal logi will be the much better choice, and many of those guys who picked cal logi to logi with shields would probably have picked min... Now they just have to live with it... I think its ****** personally.
I actually think the CPU nerf is probably perfect for balance. But it's not what people bought with their 10 weeks of SP.
Hopefully we can see a respec for logis in 1.4, once they redone bonuses. Cause sounds like the changes are drastic.
Well I get that but the people that think they should have the bonus the highs lows and the equipment and use it for assault purposes..for true logis I apologize It's the same song and dance for anything that gets nerfed in this game though, you know? It's the reason I'm advocating respecs on changes... So people can adapt to nerfs/buffs CCP implements. I have no personal agenda here. It would be nice to try other stuff cuz spending sp on a third and fourth rifle will suck just to see which you like more same goes for suits and if hmgs get racial variants and all that ****....yup I'm up for respecs seems legit to me |
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Posted - 2013.07.28 08:16:00 -
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dday3six wrote:Heimdallr69 wrote:I had to, I looked at it and thought and thought then decided wasn't worth the chance if you can see it coming why not avoid it? It's a huge black mark for any new content, if players have to constantly worry about trying new toys which might be broken for their trouble. It's a whole lot of forbidden fruit nonsense which only stigmatizes player experimentation. New content is going to keep the game alive, having to worry about booty traps within said new content is going to drive players away. Yeah but a new player would be screwed where as players like us can blow sp and not worry cuz we've got others maxed |
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Xero The Mishima wrote:Heimdallr69 wrote:Exmaple Core wrote:Sadly. a motivator in why i stand up to the haters, speds, Devs and derps who vote against respecs. Because iknow first hand what its like to invest time and SP into a class and have it ruined due to balancing. I would gladly respec if i could, to have a fighting chance and be useful again but i cant becuase im doomed to play the mistake CCP gave me. Myslef and others I support it for vehicles but none of those calogis anything but them Lol you support it for HIS case but not everybody elses... WHAT A SURPRISE! A "NF" supporting a "NF"! I would never think of this to happen! What a joke. Good job skilling into something OP and incase you need glasses I ended up agreeing to a respec not just for vehicle users |
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Posted - 2013.07.28 15:42:00 -
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Glad somebody in "NF" isn't worthless. +1[/quote] Here yo go looking for another fight ill save the community the trouble and not reply to anymore of your posts since no one wants to read them anyways |
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Posted - 2013.07.29 23:25:00 -
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Should make a list of who is for respecs and who is not to show ccp what they should do...I'm for respecs now I wasnt a few days ago but zdubs and xmaple talke some since into me..very good points |
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Posted - 2013.07.30 00:56:00 -
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Malkai Inos wrote:Heimdallr69 wrote:Should make a list of who is for respecs and who is not to show ccp what they should do...I'm for respecs now I wasnt a few days ago but zdubs and xmaple talke some since into me..very good points Vethosis has a thread that lists pro posters and is regularly updated. And it's still CCPs game, not ours. I don't see why a poll, let alone one that only includes forum posters, should have any bearing on their busines and product development decisions. That's why I said should never said they have to, just ment if they're debating on it a poll might help them and thanks for the poll ill go sign it |
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Heathen Bastard wrote:Exmaple Core wrote:ANON Illuminati wrote:FOTM is a pain in the arse yes. but to respec everytime someone gets nerfed isnt the answer. instead ccp needs to stop the fotm and actually use the made and released model in game vs the players of the community and test it to see if its op. then decide if it needs balancing or nerfing then put it into game after its been tweaked out to the point that it is fair.
do i agree with a respec? no because 98% of people who spec'ed into the flaylock knew what it was and what it did. new players arent joining this community so everyone knew what it was. the excuse of i didnt know the logi or the flaylock was op is an excuse.
exmaple u a cool dude and i respect you but i do not agree with you on this and on a respec. this only gives people like me and you 15mill or 20 mill sp a chance to rain dominance and ruin fun times for the new players that are trying to creap into this game and it makes pc matches unbalanced because u got tryhards who use exploit tactics to win games rather then to actually use gun game.
Its not all about the ppl who speced into FOTM, its about ppl who spec into a class and get nerfed to the point were they dont want to play anymore like heavys, lazers, dropships and tanks. Thats is a significant amount of players and more ppl quit each day because of this injustice. What other solution is there than respecs? wait 6 months for things to be balanced? The solution is to live with it. If your choices lack permanence, then they are meaningless. Notably you got this whole thing entirely ****ing wrong last time. I said it to mean that you should have to live with the choice you made. Permanently. If your choices aren't permanent, then they are meaningless. this does not mean that balance should be locked and stagnant. it means your choices, once locked in should be unchangeable. so you specced into something that was obviously OP and headed for nerf-city, full steam ahead? Now try to spec into something you actually like. What about the **** that not out yet? Not our fault we had to choose something else because the amarr tanks arnt out yet and stuff like that..your basically telling all these players to wait till all the racials are out |
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Posted - 2013.07.30 03:21:00 -
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Heathen Bastard wrote:Heimdallr69 wrote: What about the **** that not out yet? Not our fault we had to choose something else because the amarr tanks arnt out yet and stuff like that..your basically telling all these players to wait till all the racials are out
work your core skills and spec into a facsimile of what you want. then when you know it's coming out, stockpile your resources for a bit beforehand and immediately proto it. So then you gota run ****** ass gear tell it comes out...I disagree that's stupid...shouldn't even play till the gear comes out then |
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Stands Alone wrote:Heimdallr69 wrote:Heathen Bastard wrote:Exmaple Core wrote:ANON Illuminati wrote:FOTM is a pain in the arse yes. but to respec everytime someone gets nerfed isnt the answer. instead ccp needs to stop the fotm and actually use the made and released model in game vs the players of the community and test it to see if its op. then decide if it needs balancing or nerfing then put it into game after its been tweaked out to the point that it is fair.
do i agree with a respec? no because 98% of people who spec'ed into the flaylock knew what it was and what it did. new players arent joining this community so everyone knew what it was. the excuse of i didnt know the logi or the flaylock was op is an excuse.
exmaple u a cool dude and i respect you but i do not agree with you on this and on a respec. this only gives people like me and you 15mill or 20 mill sp a chance to rain dominance and ruin fun times for the new players that are trying to creap into this game and it makes pc matches unbalanced because u got tryhards who use exploit tactics to win games rather then to actually use gun game.
Its not all about the ppl who speced into FOTM, its about ppl who spec into a class and get nerfed to the point were they dont want to play anymore like heavys, lazers, dropships and tanks. Thats is a significant amount of players and more ppl quit each day because of this injustice. What other solution is there than respecs? wait 6 months for things to be balanced? The solution is to live with it. If your choices lack permanence, then they are meaningless. Notably you got this whole thing entirely ****ing wrong last time. I said it to mean that you should have to live with the choice you made. Permanently. If your choices aren't permanent, then they are meaningless. this does not mean that balance should be locked and stagnant. it means your choices, once locked in should be unchangeable. so you specced into something that was obviously OP and headed for nerf-city, full steam ahead? Now try to spec into something you actually like. What about the **** that not out yet? Not our fault we had to choose something else because the amarr tanks arnt out yet and stuff like that..your basically telling all these players to wait till all the racials are out yup... just like the EVE players had to do for 10 years... This is DUST not eve... |
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Posted - 2013.07.30 03:34:00 -
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Neither is bitching on the forums for something that's not going to happen. Guess what? shield and missile tanker. I have to out play everything under the sun just to not ****ing die if someone looks at me too hard. See me bawling my eyes out and crying to mommy for a respec? **** NO. I made my choice. I live with it's consequences. Why can't you?[/quote] Im happy with my choices I just think there should be respecs not often but still some |
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Stands Alone wrote:KING SALASI wrote:ANON Illuminati wrote:FOTM is a pain in the arse yes. but to respec everytime someone gets nerfed isnt the answer. instead ccp needs to stop the fotm and actually use the made and released model in game vs the players of the community and test it to see if its op. then decide if it needs balancing or nerfing then put it into game after its been tweaked out to the point that it is fair.
do i agree with a respec? no because 98% of people who spec'ed into the flaylock knew what it was and what it did. new players arent joining this community so everyone knew what it was. the excuse of i didnt know the logi or the flaylock was op is an excuse.
exmaple u a cool dude and i respect you but i do not agree with you on this and on a respec. this only gives people like me and you 15mill or 20 mill sp a chance to rain dominance and ruin fun times for the new players that are trying to creap into this game and it makes pc matches unbalanced because u got tryhards who use exploit tactics to win games rather then to actually use gun game.
Too late new players bounced see grinding for 3 mill sp was cute, it's no longer cute. When a game becomes a 2nd job rather than being fun it's doimed. Repecs keep the game fresh and fun. It also buys CCP time to tweak, and make Money off the respecs. Nope they want ti carry the Eve mantra will not work on console players. I love EVE one of the best video games ever made i have fun. Dust is not Eve it's a 2nd job and i already have demanding job. Hence why i play video games to relax and keyword have FUN. Stick with no respecs and have fun with little bit players you have. Next up will be merging the servers due to low player counts to save money. works for me.... just asked most of the channels im in... majority said they dont mind it... sooo... we will miss those who quit... and will see you after BF4 gets old A complete game where you unlock things as you level so your not limited to one role, you don't have a cap and is on ps4..every game gets old after a while just as dust has |
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Exmaple Core wrote:Zatara Rought wrote:Exmaple Core wrote:Zatara Rought wrote:Honestly, if you'd saved your sp since you specced into tanks and started saving almost what 2 months ago...you could have made 5 mill sp in that time, enough sp to run a protosuit and protoweapon and be competitive. I rather miss you out of tanks and in that lol caldari logi you used to run so well. you must have the wrong person, i never went cal logi, ive always been heavy, scout or tank. If i wouldve saved all my SP then i would never have been playing because i wouldent have any gear... lol. Thats a crazy suggestion, if i have no spent SP then i wouldent be in PC or having fun in dust. Waiting to play video games is not how you play video games... Hmmm.. I coulda sworn I have video's of you post uprising in a yellow suit with a shotgun and core locus owning fools. But anyhoo You mentioned to me when you got your respec you put 14.4 mill sp into tanks. I had about 13.5 at the time. I now have 19.8 mill sp. What i'm suggesting is that you've been complaining about this for 2 months since you got the respec, why haven't you saved the about 6 mill potential and placed it into a different role? You failed to understand the intent of my first post so I hope this one clarifies it. ^_^ No you do not sir, post the videos up and you will see me as a scout shotty P: because i dumped another 2 mill SP into that poor excuse of a tank and then i started specing into heavy so i could have a hardy fit to protect my tank were it was needed. sence then ive been skilling back into scout and i jus now got my proto basic suit with a few core skills. If i could respec i would get out of this half track and play a class i enjoy and effectively compete in. Same for many other ppl This is true I've gone against xmaple all closed beta I've yet to see him run assault or logi he has more varitey than most people |
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Okay I got an idea since you guys are against respecs then give one last respec and take vehicles and av out of the game since there is no longer a need for them in this game..that way everyone can run proto assault and be "good" you claim a good player can use any suit yet I bet you skilled into assault roles not vehicles so lets see you go fit a mlt tank and see how you do? With no vehicles skills |
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Posted - 2013.07.30 23:31:00 -
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ZDub 303 wrote:Exmaple.
Doesn't matter now. OMS was removed from the queue this morning.
This game is officially dying.
Jump ship dude, I hear there are still a few lifeboats left over that way ~~~> they lead to the ps4 Fixed ill jump intime, I like to make close calls they're more fun |
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Posted - 2013.08.01 07:56:00 -
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Don't worry maple if 1.4 brings new racials everyone will want a respec |
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137H4RGIC wrote:Exmaple Core wrote: You are told you can not play PC because the one class you are good at, sucks. Nobody wants you in any serious endeavor in dust because your class is nerfed to the point of uselessness. I have not seen anyone in SVER be told they can't play because of the 'uselessness' of their chosen class and/or weapon in PC. I've seen Scouts, Snipers, Assaults, Heavies, Logis, Tanks, Logi Lavs, Dropships, Snipers all play parts in various strategies for various maps in PC. It sounds like someone is lacking some strategical vision, or you just aren't as good as your FC would like you to be. You already forget about teamplayers? I havnt |
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Laurent Cazaderon wrote:Exmaple Core wrote:You play a properly balanced, fair and fun class. Liking the class, you dump all 15 mill SP to your name into the class. Suddenly, new build/patch comes around and your class is nerfed without your consent and you now suck at the game. You spawn in your proto suit or your vehical and you are killed over and over, loosing all your ISK. You are told you can not play PC because the one class you are good at, sucks. Nobody wants you in any serious endeavor in dust because your class is nerfed to the point of uselessness. Like current shield tanks, dropships, lazers, plasma cannons and soon to be armor tanks when they fix the bug that is causing them to be balanced. You no longer want to play dust, as the class you played is ruined and so is your ability to enjoy playing dust, because the developers ruined the class you speced into. CCP later anounes that they will not be fixing your class for many months and they ask you to accept their most sincere apologies, despite changing the class that you speced into many months beforehand. Should you get a respec? This happened to the classes mentioned previously and will happen again when the fix the armor tanks Cry me a river..... "Oh damn, me not OP anymore and need to learn back how to play without stomping everyone." What has been so hardly nerfed lately ? And i mean, like in 1.2/1.3 that you cant even go into PC fights ? Tanks were OP one time I will admit that but since then they've been weak as hell why the hell should 1 guy be able to solo a tank? Yeah no proto tanks so they should have taken proto av out aswell |
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