DUST Search - Reason for respecs you can not argue against!

Promethius Franklin wrote:

Cannibus Lecktor wrote:

Promethius Franklin wrote:

Cannibus Lecktor wrote:

]I guess you just dont get it, so let me break it down for you.. When I speced into my Caldari Logistic suit, I knew full well there would be a "nerf" to this class, but i could not have foreseen a 50 point CPU hadicap compared to other Logistic suits. Ok, nerf my shields, they dont work worth a crap anyhow and I dont rely on them to keep me alive, However, i do rely on that CPU to carry the same equipment mods that other will now be able to carry without having to adjust their fits.. A logi supports the team, If i cant carry sufficient gear to fullfill that role, then my suit will then be rendered useless as a Logi.. Please explain how this doesnt change my skill tree..

While we are at it, Why dont we slow down those Minmatar shotgun scouts... I just cant seem to hit those guys..

Your skill tree didn't change because, well, factually your skill tree didn't change. Your suit changed, nerfs have a tendency to do that, but you still have access to the same suits and no one else is getting them under a different set of rules or numbers than you are. Everyone using the Cal logi has the same set of decisions to make regarding how they use the suit. That wasn't the same with the skill tree change. With that change someone was getting to the same suit with a lower investment and still had to invest in the options with which people are now deciding on compromises.

Except mt cpu upgrades suddenly become more expensive then others, having to spend 1.6 million more to get to lvl 5 CPU upgrades to carry the same gear as others can at lvl 2 and 3... Yea thats no change at all..

No, actually proto CPU upgrades cost the same SP no matter what suit you run. Are you willing to downgrade or stack CPU upgrades? Or wait till the greater rebalance that will likely render all of these complaints moot?


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Cannibus Lecktor Stoned Kloned Killers 2	Posted - 2013.07.29 16:13:00 - [1] - Quote I have been playing FPS/MMO/RPG games for 20 Years now... I have played many enjoyable games that i loved to play and in an instant, i moved on to something else without ever looking back.. This game will be no different i am sure, except the amount of time its going to take me to leave this game will most likely be a lot shorter than any other. All ready i tire of the same old maps, with the same old objectives. No variety at all, may as well be playing Pac-Man.. Now they say they are going to NERF my Caldari Logi because so many people abuse the character and use it not as intended.. I run my Logi as a Logi, Not an assault, not a scout, and not as a tank. I would be fine with the Nerfing of the shield extenders as i do not count on them to keep me alive. However, My role as a Logi will become far less efficient if i am penalized 40 cpu. I already struggle to equip my proto nanos/droplinks/repair tools as it is without trying to carry high offensive equipment.. I already get my @ss handed to me when going against other races with my GEK when they are running Proto rifles and mass driver and Flaylock pistols and Boundless HMG.. I am a logi damn it.. How am i to revive someone in the heat of battle when only 2 seconds of fire from one enemy kills me already.. And now i will have less CPU than all other Logi's... I do believe a respec is only fair.. Leave my CPU alone or give me a bonus to equipment CPU or give me a respec.. This is not an unreasonable request.. On the other hand, why not make a respec something you can spec into? 500,000 SP or even a mill? If you want a respec once a month, go ahead and get you one, but it will cost you... To really balance this game CCP must make additional game modes for lower lvl players.. Advance gear versus proto is a loss most times, so militia versus Proto, you can forget it.. Make Game modes that are gear specific, Instant Proto, Instant Militia, Instant Advanced, All other gear prohibited.... Oh, thats right, because then people would have to come to grips that they never really had any skill.. Respec or not, next FOTM is PS4 and im sure there will be a lot of great games on it for me to chose from.. I like this game, its a great concept, but it is broken in my opinion.. I know you are going to have cheaters/boosters in every game, but in this one its just too much.. Would be an easy fix though, stop rewarding bad behavior and punish some of them publicly and prove it wont be tolerated.. CCP may not be able to ban an IP but they can damn sure strip them of their SP and ISK.. Couple of those and people will stop. Sorry, im done ranting for now
Cannibus Lecktor Stoned Kloned Killers 3	Posted - 2013.07.30 20:11:00 - [2] - Quote I'm just going to assume all of you guys that are opposed to a respec , never asked for one when uprising released, otherwise all of your rants of how respecs are bad are meaningless... So go ahead, lie and say you have never had a respec or asked for one..
Cannibus Lecktor Stoned Kloned Killers 3	Posted - 2013.07.30 20:29:00 - [3] - Quote Well then, cudos to you... Lets see if you feel the same way when you have to try to fit your calogi with the same equipment as other races with 40 less CPU, and im not refering to the Douvall rifle and 5 shield ext., Im talking about a core repair tool, an Ishkone nano, and an advanced injector, or maybe some droplinks... I could care less about the race bonus, but to give me a handicap of 40 CPU which by the way will be more like a 50 point handicap if you include the loss of 25% at proto lvl..
Cannibus Lecktor Stoned Kloned Killers 3	Posted - 2013.07.30 20:34:00 - [4] - Quote Promethius Franklin wrote: Cannibus Lecktor wrote: I'm just going to assume all of you guys that are opposed to a respec , never asked for one when uprising released, otherwise all of your rants of how respecs are bad are meaningless... So go ahead, lie and say you have never had a respec or asked for one.. And yet you know that's BS. You know what happened with the skill tree itself prior to that request. And you know how that is very much different to what is happening with balance changes. To be honest I'd really prefer a system not be put in place that does it's best to amplify the magnitude game play effect an imbalance has. Argue it however you want to, A respec is a respec... Why didnt you adapt or die then? All the newcomers came into the game with only 500k to allocate which could have been easily achieved in a weeks worth of play and would have still given you an unfair advantage against all newcomers.. So the question remains, Why didnt you just adapt and overcome?
Cannibus Lecktor Stoned Kloned Killers 3	Posted - 2013.07.30 20:45:00 - [5] - Quote Exmaple Core wrote: Cannibus Lecktor wrote: Well then, cudos to you... Lets see if you feel the same way when you have to try to fit your calogi with the same equipment as other races with 40 less CPU, and im not refering to the Douvall rifle and 5 shield ext., Im talking about a core repair tool, an Ishkone nano, and an advanced injector, or maybe some droplinks... I could care less about the race bonus, but to give me a handicap of 40 CPU which by the way will be more like a 50 point handicap if you include the loss of 25% at proto lvl.. Logis cant be logis anymore? Sure you can, just not a caldari Logi, Those will become extinct and the suit will still be abused, people will just drop all of the equipment and use it as an assault... Like i said before, make game modes that are gear specific, then all you have are your core upgrades and skill.. I am by far not "great" at this game, but i hold my own and i play it for fun... Lately, the fun has been lacking and only frustration remains in its place..
Cannibus Lecktor Stoned Kloned Killers 3	Posted - 2013.07.30 21:01:00 - [6] - Quote Promethius Franklin wrote: Cannibus Lecktor wrote: Promethius Franklin wrote: Cannibus Lecktor wrote: I'm just going to assume all of you guys that are opposed to a respec , never asked for one when uprising released, otherwise all of your rants of how respecs are bad are meaningless... So go ahead, lie and say you have never had a respec or asked for one.. And yet you know that's BS. You know what happened with the skill tree itself prior to that request. And you know how that is very much different to what is happening with balance changes. To be honest I'd really prefer a system not be put in place that does it's best to amplify the magnitude game play effect an imbalance has. Argue it however you want to, A respec is a respec... Why didnt you adapt or die then? All the newcomers came into the game with only 500k to allocate which could have been easily achieved in a weeks worth of play and would have still given you an unfair advantage against all newcomers.. So the question remains, Why didnt you just adapt and overcome? There is no way to "adapt" to skill tree changes. Cal logis have the option to change their fits and chose between equipment or a assault like fit. Flaylock users can actually aim to take out targets. The skill tree on the other hand can't be adapted to when prerequisites are changed. ]I guess you just dont get it, so let me break it down for you.. When I speced into my Caldari Logistic suit, I knew full well there would be a "nerf" to this class, but i could not have foreseen a 50 point CPU hadicap compared to other Logistic suits. Ok, nerf my shields, they dont work worth a crap anyhow and I dont rely on them to keep me alive, However, i do rely on that CPU to carry the same equipment mods that other will now be able to carry without having to adjust their fits.. A logi supports the team, If i cant carry sufficient gear to fullfill that role, then my suit will then be rendered useless as a Logi.. Please explain how this doesnt change my skill tree.. While we are at it, Why dont we slow down those Minmatar shotgun scouts... I just cant seem to hit those guys..
Cannibus Lecktor Stoned Kloned Killers 3	Posted - 2013.07.30 21:23:00 - [7] - Quote Exmaple Core wrote: Cannibus Lecktor wrote: Exmaple Core wrote: Cannibus Lecktor wrote: Well then, cudos to you... Lets see if you feel the same way when you have to try to fit your calogi with the same equipment as other races with 40 less CPU, and im not refering to the Douvall rifle and 5 shield ext., Im talking about a core repair tool, an Ishkone nano, and an advanced injector, or maybe some droplinks... I could care less about the race bonus, but to give me a handicap of 40 CPU which by the way will be more like a 50 point handicap if you include the loss of 25% at proto lvl.. Logis cant be logis anymore? Sure you can, just not a caldari Logi, Those will become extinct and the suit will still be abused, people will just drop all of the equipment and use it as an assault... Like i said before, make game modes that are gear specific, then all you have are your core upgrades and skill.. I am by far not "great" at this game, but i hold my own and i play it for fun... Lately, the fun has been lacking and only frustration remains in its place.. So it will be great if you could respec out of your nerfed class and once again have the fun youve been lacking, and instead lack only the frustration of having a nerfed class. right? with a respec you could play a more viable class and have fun playing dust. right? I have already found a way to have fun playing Dust but it too will soon be "NERFED"... I have a ball on my alt. Vehicular Genocide, running over protos with their Flaylocks in my 1 hit 1 kill logistic LAV mobile death dealer, Even my wife has joined in the fun and rides with me shooting A holes as we go with a scattered Ion Cannon.. Ever see my Jenny in a game, hit me up and ill take you for a ride, either in the gunners seat or on the front bumper, it doesnt matter much to me..
Cannibus Lecktor Stoned Kloned Killers 3	Posted - 2013.07.30 21:26:00 - [8] - Quote Promethius Franklin wrote: Cannibus Lecktor wrote: ]I guess you just dont get it, so let me break it down for you.. When I speced into my Caldari Logistic suit, I knew full well there would be a "nerf" to this class, but i could not have foreseen a 50 point CPU hadicap compared to other Logistic suits. Ok, nerf my shields, they dont work worth a crap anyhow and I dont rely on them to keep me alive, However, i do rely on that CPU to carry the same equipment mods that other will now be able to carry without having to adjust their fits.. A logi supports the team, If i cant carry sufficient gear to fullfill that role, then my suit will then be rendered useless as a Logi.. Please explain how this doesnt change my skill tree.. While we are at it, Why dont we slow down those Minmatar shotgun scouts... I just cant seem to hit those guys.. Your skill tree didn't change because, well, factually your skill tree didn't change. Your suit changed, nerfs have a tendency to do that, but you still have access to the same suits and no one else is getting them under a different set of rules or numbers than you are. Everyone using the Cal logi has the same set of decisions to make regarding how they use the suit. That wasn't the same with the skill tree change. With that change someone was getting to the same suit with a lower investment and still had to invest in the options with which people are now deciding on compromises. Except mt cpu upgrades suddenly become more expensive then others, having to spend 1.6 million more to get to lvl 5 CPU upgrades to carry the same gear as others can at lvl 2 and 3... Yea thats no change at all..
Cannibus Lecktor Stoned Kloned Killers 3	Posted - 2013.07.30 21:30:00 - [9] - Quote
Cannibus Lecktor Stoned Kloned Killers 3	Posted - 2013.07.30 21:36:00 - [10] - Quote Promethius Franklin wrote: Cannibus Lecktor wrote: Promethius Franklin wrote: Cannibus Lecktor wrote: ]I guess you just dont get it, so let me break it down for you.. When I speced into my Caldari Logistic suit, I knew full well there would be a "nerf" to this class, but i could not have foreseen a 50 point CPU hadicap compared to other Logistic suits. Ok, nerf my shields, they dont work worth a crap anyhow and I dont rely on them to keep me alive, However, i do rely on that CPU to carry the same equipment mods that other will now be able to carry without having to adjust their fits.. A logi supports the team, If i cant carry sufficient gear to fullfill that role, then my suit will then be rendered useless as a Logi.. Please explain how this doesnt change my skill tree.. While we are at it, Why dont we slow down those Minmatar shotgun scouts... I just cant seem to hit those guys.. Your skill tree didn't change because, well, factually your skill tree didn't change. Your suit changed, nerfs have a tendency to do that, but you still have access to the same suits and no one else is getting them under a different set of rules or numbers than you are. Everyone using the Cal logi has the same set of decisions to make regarding how they use the suit. That wasn't the same with the skill tree change. With that change someone was getting to the same suit with a lower investment and still had to invest in the options with which people are now deciding on compromises. Except mt cpu upgrades suddenly become more expensive then others, having to spend 1.6 million more to get to lvl 5 CPU upgrades to carry the same gear as others can at lvl 2 and 3... Yea thats no change at all.. No, actually proto CPU upgrades cost the same SP no matter what suit you run. Are you willing to downgrade or stack CPU upgrades? Or wait till the greater rebalance that will likely render all of these complaints moot? Your just not getting it, guess my expectations are just too high..

Cannibus Lecktor Stoned Kloned Killers 3	Posted - 2013.07.30 21:55:00 - [11] - Quote I would like to take a minute and make a few suggestions for other changes in upcoming patches to help "balance" the game.. First lets start with those darn heavies. They just take too many bullets to kill.. I say we should reduce their shields and armor to match those of the Minmatar assault suits and slow down their rate of fire by 20%.. That should fix those guys.. Now lets move on to the assault suits.. I firmly believe they should all carry a sidearm only and be limited to only 1 grenade that should be more than enough for those guys to work with.. Ok, as i said before those spry little shotgun scout need to slow it down a bit, They are nearly impossible to run over and even harder to hit with your riflebutt... Fixed! How bout those pesky Flaylocks and Massdrivers... I have just the thing for those too.. How bouit if you fire your weapon within 5m of the intended target, Not only will the enemy receive no damage whatsoever, but you and any of your teammates within a 10m radius will be vaporized into a fine pink DUST.. Hot Dam, its gettin good now The LAV's need an obvious boost in speed and handling, maybe some fatter tires as well as an onboard navigation unit with Ipod dock... Yea, now we are talking .. And last, but certainly not least, absolutely NO respecs for anyone!
Cannibus Lecktor Stoned Kloned Killers 3	Posted - 2013.07.31 15:13:00 - [12] - Quote dustwaffle wrote: Exmaple Core wrote: Everyone runs an AR anyways. And besides, you see his post, his class sucks and he can no longer compete because of his class getting nerfed. Its better he respec and go into another class, even if its played by everyone, than having to stay his pathetic class and be a non factor as he hates playing dust Everyone runs AR -> Look at all the Flaylock QQ's, Forge QQ's, tanker QQ's etc. Sure, AR is the most common weapon, and to be honest I don't see too much of a problem with that since it's a staple in most FPS games and versatile but not particularly excelling in any particular role. Look at his post? -> Look at his fit. Tell me he was using the logi suit as a logi focused on supporting his teammates. He decided to use logi suit as an assault suit, and even after nerf, still wants to use it as one. The mentality of this kind of player is equivalent to someone walking in straight line, a wall shows up in his way eventually, and said person walking repeatedly into that wall wondering what has happened. Where did i say i use my Logi as an assault? Check your facts buddy. I chose a Logistic suit because i have really bad aim and had no interest in becoming a frontline assault character.. I have over 800,000 war points and only just over 5k in kills, my KDR is 1.02.. I generate my points doing exactly what a logistic suit was designed for... I have invested millions of SP into proto nanos/droplinks and repair tool of which now, if i try to equip them i, I have to sacrifice survivability at which point i become useless on the battlefield.. If i am to be penalized CPU because of the FOTM a@@holes that abused this suit to use it as an assault then give me a bonus to equipment mods instead of shield regen and i would be perfectly happy.. NO other Logi suit lost CPU and they wont have to struggle fitting their equipment... And for the record, i chose my suit mostly on aesthetics, I just liked the way it looked... I liked the Minmatar for the extra equipment slot but i just didnt like the way it looked.