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Tech Ohm Eaven
L.O.T.I.S. RISE of LEGION
636
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Posted - 2013.07.28 00:21:00 -
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I hear: "CCP we are doing a balance pass" What I got was a 60% HP buff to LAVs.
I really do not get where the balance is in giving any weapon, suit, mod or vehicle a 60% buff to a stat.
What we got was GTA 514.
What was the CCP reasoning on that??
Please do not shoot the messenger.
Just wondering whats up with this issue??
Thanks for reading. |
Charlotte O'Dell
Molon Labe. League of Infamy
765
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Posted - 2013.07.28 00:22:00 -
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Tech Ohm Eaven wrote:I hear: "CCP we are doing a balance pass" What I got was a 60% HP buff to LAVs.
I really do not get where the balance is in giving any weapon, suit, mod or vehicle a 60% buff to a stat.
What we got was GTA 514.
What was the CCP reasoning on that??
Please do not shoot the messenger.
Just wondering whats up with this issue??
Thanks for reading.
ccp blam happened |
Aizen Intiki
Ghost Wolf Industries Alpha Wolf Pack
251
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Posted - 2013.07.28 00:23:00 -
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Oh be quiet. There fixing the collision issue. Stop yer' bitchin and moanin.
Peace, Aizen |
Delta 749
Kestrel Reconnaissance
1472
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Posted - 2013.07.28 00:24:00 -
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Because all the vehicle players kept crying and crying and crying so every vehicle got a health and resistance buff, the LAVs got the most out of it though |
Kane Fyea
DUST University Ivy League
1500
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Posted - 2013.07.28 00:25:00 -
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Tech Ohm Eaven wrote:I hear: "CCP we are doing a balance pass" What I got was a 60% HP buff to LAVs.
I really do not get where the balance is in giving any weapon, suit, mod or vehicle a 60% buff to a stat.
What we got was GTA 514.
What was the CCP reasoning on that??
Please do not shoot the messenger.
Just wondering whats up with this issue??
Thanks for reading. Don't worry they're going to be fixed. |
MarasdF Loron
Ghost Wolf Industries Alpha Wolf Pack
26
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Posted - 2013.07.28 00:27:00 -
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They still get one shotted by proto AV nades and LLAVs get 3 shotted so quit your moaning. I have never been ran over by LAV when I run on foot, they always blow up before they hit me... Sigh. |
Aizen Intiki
Ghost Wolf Industries Alpha Wolf Pack
253
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Posted - 2013.07.28 00:30:00 -
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Delta 749 wrote:Because all the vehicle players kept crying and crying and crying so every vehicle got a health and resistance buff, the LAVs got the most out of it though
Dropships didn't. So, yea........ |
Tech Ohm Eaven
L.O.T.I.S. RISE of LEGION
636
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Posted - 2013.07.28 00:32:00 -
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MarasdF Loron wrote:They still get one shotted by proto AV nades and LLAVs get 3 shotted so quit your moaning. I have never been ran over by LAV when I run on foot, they always blow up before they hit me... Sigh.
No, nope and nah. Logististics LAV Charbydis takes three Lai Day proto av grenades and runs off to heal and comes back again over and over.
And on a sidenote dropships did need a tiny health buff but they got Jack and they got kitten from CCP. |
Delta 749
Kestrel Reconnaissance
1473
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Posted - 2013.07.28 00:36:00 -
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Aizen Intiki wrote:Delta 749 wrote:Because all the vehicle players kept crying and crying and crying so every vehicle got a health and resistance buff, the LAVs got the most out of it though Dropships didn't. So, yea........
You got one it just wasnt very significant like the LAVs Really though they need to add attack choppers or something to that effect since it seems thats what most drop ship pilots want to do even though the vehicle is designed as a sky taxi |
Tech Ohm Eaven
L.O.T.I.S. RISE of LEGION
636
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Posted - 2013.07.28 00:37:00 -
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Kane Fyea wrote:Tech Ohm Eaven wrote:I hear: "CCP we are doing a balance pass" What I got was a 60% HP buff to LAVs.
I really do not get where the balance is in giving any weapon, suit, mod or vehicle a 60% buff to a stat.
What we got was GTA 514.
What was the CCP reasoning on that??
Please do not shoot the messenger.
Just wondering whats up with this issue??
Thanks for reading. Don't worry they're going to be fixed.
Yeah but only after several weeks.
Imagine the outcry if CCP decided to buff by 60 percent!! the damage sniper rifles do??
350 plus proficiency and damage mods gets over 600 damage now imagine if that were buffed by 60%.
600 goes to over 960 damage so a OHK on just about anything??
Or if HMG got a 60% buff to damage and 60% buff to clipsize |
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MarasdF Loron
Ghost Wolf Industries Alpha Wolf Pack
26
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Posted - 2013.07.28 00:42:00 -
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Tech Ohm Eaven wrote:MarasdF Loron wrote:They still get one shotted by proto AV nades and LLAVs get 3 shotted so quit your moaning. I have never been ran over by LAV when I run on foot, they always blow up before they hit me... Sigh. No, nope and nah. Logististics LAV Charbydis takes three Lai Day proto av grenades and runs off to heal and comes back again over and over. And on a sidenote dropships did need a tiny health buff but they got Jack and they got kitten from CCP. I know they don't actually get 3 shotted by Lai Dais but the point is they stop bothering you for a while, and it's a one man job to do that. And everything other than LLAVs just blow up.
Also on a sidenote tanks got HP buff aswell, for BASE HP, but then again their PG got smaller (meaning less EHP) and then the HP upgrade skill got removed and replaced by 2% resistance per level. Which is pretty much equally good in comparison to 5% BASE HP per level. So BASE HP remained the same, more resistance and less EHP. I would call that a tweak at best. Some would call that nerf. |
CRAZYHORSE ONE EIGHT
CowTek IT Infotech
32
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Posted - 2013.07.28 00:43:00 -
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Wtf are you talking about?
So my limbus has 5k armour now? |
Charlotte O'Dell
Molon Labe. League of Infamy
765
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Posted - 2013.07.28 01:03:00 -
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Delta 749 wrote:Because all the vehicle players kept crying and crying and crying so every vehicle got a health and resistance buff, the LAVs got the most out of it though wait...you think we've ever been buffed? hahahaha. nope. uprising was a mega-nerf for everything except the Charybdis and Mlt LAVs |
Duran Lex
Silver Talon Corporation
116
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Posted - 2013.07.28 03:19:00 -
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Personally i believe CCP did it because even after the Tank nerf, they were still dominating the field because very few people were specced into any form of AV.
LAV's get hp buff, and then they are no longer able to be ignored. People start skilling into AV.
LAV's were way more of a problem then people anticipated, particularly the LLAV, so people specced further into their AV and even more people specced into some form of it.
AV is everywhere now, especially with forgeguns getting the client/server hit detection fix, forgegun users skyrocketed, and tanks are crying harder then ever.
This scenario has just given them an excellent amount of statistical data to address the very large vehicle/AV rework thats coming in the next patch or two.
I can see CCP doing such a thing, this game basically is still in beta.
Just somethin to think about. |
Jax Saurian
GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention
62
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Posted - 2013.07.28 03:25:00 -
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Tech Ohm Eaven wrote: Imagine the outcry if CCP decided to buff by 60 percent!! the damage sniper rifles do??
OH BY ODIN'S BEARD!
no mercy mwahahaaa |
Void Echo
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
850
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Posted - 2013.07.28 03:26:00 -
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MarasdF Loron wrote:Tech Ohm Eaven wrote:MarasdF Loron wrote:They still get one shotted by proto AV nades and LLAVs get 3 shotted so quit your moaning. I have never been ran over by LAV when I run on foot, they always blow up before they hit me... Sigh. No, nope and nah. Logististics LAV Charbydis takes three Lai Day proto av grenades and runs off to heal and comes back again over and over. And on a sidenote dropships did need a tiny health buff but they got Jack and they got kitten from CCP. I know they don't actually get 3 shotted by Lai Dais but the point is they stop bothering you for a while, and it's a one man job to do that. And everything other than LLAVs just blow up. Also on a sidenote tanks got HP buff aswell, for BASE HP, but then again their PG got smaller (meaning less EHP) and then the HP upgrade skill got removed and replaced by 2% resistance per level. Which is pretty much equally good in comparison to 5% BASE HP per level. So BASE HP remained the same, more resistance and less EHP. I would call that a tweak at best. Some would call that nerf.
honestly that tweak was bad, they shouldn't have messed with it, the skill bonus is better than a base HP buff imo, look at how much more vulnerable we are now because of the change |
Ludvig Enraga
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
295
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Posted - 2013.07.28 03:27:00 -
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everyone was complaining about Tanks and DS being UP, CCP went and buffed the LAVs that everyone was complaining were OP 2/2 death taxis. Lawls! |
Xender17
Intrepidus XI EoN.
392
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Posted - 2013.07.28 03:29:00 -
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They might have thought the balance buff would have a different affect than it did. Before they were easy WP. They hoped an HP buff would change this. It did but didn't have the desired effect. |
calvin b
Molon Labe. League of Infamy
163
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Posted - 2013.07.28 03:31:00 -
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Has anyone noticed when you hit a heavy with your LAV the vehicle comes to a stop or slows a lot. Did CCP fix the hit issue, because I like it. |
Spycrab Potato
Hold-Your-Fire
161
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Posted - 2013.07.28 03:35:00 -
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Source?
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CoD isAIDS
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
67
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Posted - 2013.07.28 05:21:00 -
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Tech Ohm Eaven wrote:I hear: "CCP we are doing a balance pass" What I got was a 60% HP buff to LAVs.
I really do not get where the balance is in giving any weapon, suit, mod or vehicle a 60% buff to a stat.
What we got was GTA 514.
What was the CCP reasoning on that??
Please do not shoot the messenger.
Just wondering whats up with this issue??
Thanks for reading. PRO AV 514 vs STD vehicles.
Any point you were trying to make is invalid. |
darkiller240
INGLORIOUS-INQUISITION
110
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Posted - 2013.07.28 05:23:00 -
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Delta 749 wrote:Because all the vehicle players kept crying and crying and crying so every vehicle got a health and resistance buff, the LAVs got the most out of it though Tanks are still UP and dropships never got a buff |
Aqua-Regia
Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN.
332
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Posted - 2013.07.28 05:33:00 -
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I thought ccp was trying to be funny... |
Rusty Shallows
Black Jackals
184
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Posted - 2013.07.28 06:12:00 -
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Tech Ohm Eaven wrote:I hear: "CCP we are doing a balance pass" What I got was a 60% HP buff to LAVs.
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Just wondering whats up with this issue??
Thanks for reading. At the start of this game-build vehicle pilots lost direct shield and armor buff skills. LAVs were exploding so fast from AV grenades even my assault forge gun couldn't get any shots off. Not as crazy as the times we had super fast swarms yet still pretty bad. |
Billi Gene
The Southern Legion
184
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Posted - 2013.07.28 06:45:00 -
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is it just me or have there been less STD LAV's fielded since the removal of free LAVs?
I know i KITTEN and moan when a blueberry steals my 18k ISK LAVs now
which reminds me... to that KITTENY KITTEN blueberry that saw me jump out of my LAV, and saw an opportunity to recall their own before stealing mine.......KITTEN YOU BUDDY!!!!!?!?!?!?!?!....../le sigh |
Django Quik
R.I.f.t
1122
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Posted - 2013.07.28 10:33:00 -
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60% was a ridiculous buff - some buff would have been acceptable but maybe 30% would have been reasonable. Especially for militia LAVs, there's no reason for them to be so strong - they should be easily killed by the lowest level of AV. |
Django Quik
R.I.f.t
1122
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Posted - 2013.07.28 10:34:00 -
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CoD isAIDS wrote:Tech Ohm Eaven wrote:I hear: "CCP we are doing a balance pass" What I got was a 60% HP buff to LAVs.
I really do not get where the balance is in giving any weapon, suit, mod or vehicle a 60% buff to a stat.
What we got was GTA 514.
What was the CCP reasoning on that??
Please do not shoot the messenger.
Just wondering whats up with this issue??
Thanks for reading. PRO AV 514 vs STD vehicles. Any point you were trying to make is invalid. When PRO AV can't take out an LAV but can decimate a tank, that's a valid issue that needs addressing. |
THE TRAINSPOTTER
ROMANIA Renegades C0VEN
50
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Posted - 2013.07.28 11:00:00 -
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Django Quik wrote:CoD isAIDS wrote:Tech Ohm Eaven wrote:I hear: "CCP we are doing a balance pass" What I got was a 60% HP buff to LAVs.
I really do not get where the balance is in giving any weapon, suit, mod or vehicle a 60% buff to a stat.
What we got was GTA 514.
What was the CCP reasoning on that??
Please do not shoot the messenger.
Just wondering whats up with this issue??
Thanks for reading. PRO AV 514 vs STD vehicles. Any point you were trying to make is invalid. When PRO AV can't take out an LAV but can decimate a tank, that's a valid issue that needs addressing.
LAV is smaller and has speed
tanks are bigger and that makes them slower therefor target practice on a sitting duck
ofc its hard to take down a good LAV driver, you get to throw one grenade and if he see it hear the pin go or feel it hes out of there
just because its a proto av that doesnt make it insta win
you dont know what modules is the enemy using on his LAV to aid his LAV against damage |
Heligg
LA 501 eme Citizens of Nowhere
17
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Posted - 2013.07.28 11:17:00 -
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Tech Ohm Eaven wrote:I hear: "CCP we are doing a balance pass" What I got was a 60% HP buff to LAVs.
I really do not get where the balance is in giving any weapon, suit, mod or vehicle a 60% buff to a stat.
What we got was GTA 514.
What was the CCP reasoning on that??
Please do not shoot the messenger.
Just wondering whats up with this issue??
Thanks for reading.
At the time they buffed vehicules, it made sense because they were underused. And not all LAVs received that buff. With the new collision tweaks, LAVs will finnaly have a good role wich is moving people quickly and not die instantly.
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Another Heavy SOB
Pure Innocence. EoN.
501
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Posted - 2013.07.28 11:19:00 -
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THE TRAINSPOTTER wrote:Django Quik wrote:CoD isAIDS wrote:Tech Ohm Eaven wrote:I hear: "CCP we are doing a balance pass" What I got was a 60% HP buff to LAVs.
I really do not get where the balance is in giving any weapon, suit, mod or vehicle a 60% buff to a stat.
What we got was GTA 514.
What was the CCP reasoning on that??
Please do not shoot the messenger.
Just wondering whats up with this issue??
Thanks for reading. PRO AV 514 vs STD vehicles. Any point you were trying to make is invalid. When PRO AV can't take out an LAV but can decimate a tank, that's a valid issue that needs addressing. LAV is smaller and has speed tanks are bigger and that makes them slower therefor target practice on a sitting duck ofc its hard to take down a good LAV driver, you get to throw one grenade and if he see it hear the pin go or feel it hes out of there just because its a proto av that doesnt make it insta win you dont know what modules is the enemy using on his LAV to aid his LAV against damage
That doesn't change the fact that LLAV's can tank better than a TANK. Do you speak from experience on either side of the spectrum or simply conjecture?
I can tell you from experience that even a militia fit Chary can tank a Couple wykromi's and laugh, and I speak from using both.
Where did he say insta win? It's a fact that most Chary LLAV's can take 3 proto nades while most tank's cannot.
So are you trolling or just a nublet trying to pretend like you have seen it all?
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Django Quik
R.I.f.t
1124
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Posted - 2013.07.28 11:27:00 -
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Heligg wrote:Tech Ohm Eaven wrote:I hear: "CCP we are doing a balance pass" What I got was a 60% HP buff to LAVs.
I really do not get where the balance is in giving any weapon, suit, mod or vehicle a 60% buff to a stat.
What we got was GTA 514.
What was the CCP reasoning on that??
Please do not shoot the messenger.
Just wondering whats up with this issue??
Thanks for reading. At the time they buffed vehicules, it made sense because they were underused. And not all LAVs received that buff. With the new collision tweaks, LAVs will finnaly have a good role wich is moving people quickly and not die instantly. It made sense to buff them a little but 60% is extreme and all LAVs did receive a buff, even the starter ones we all used to have. In fact the charybdis got a 70% buff, which is just insane! |
STABBEY
WarRavens League of Infamy
90
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Posted - 2013.07.28 11:31:00 -
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Tech Ohm Eaven wrote:I hear: "CCP we are doing a balance pass" What I got was a 60% HP buff to LAVs.
I really do not get where the balance is in giving any weapon, suit, mod or vehicle a 60% buff to a stat.
What we got was GTA 514.
What was the CCP reasoning on that??
Please do not shoot the messenger.
Just wondering whats up with this issue??
Thanks for reading.
ugm, isnt this old news?? or did i miss somthing |
THE TRAINSPOTTER
ROMANIA Renegades C0VEN
51
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Posted - 2013.07.28 13:07:00 -
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Another Heavy SOB wrote:THE TRAINSPOTTER wrote:Django Quik wrote:CoD isAIDS wrote:Tech Ohm Eaven wrote:I hear: "CCP we are doing a balance pass" What I got was a 60% HP buff to LAVs.
I really do not get where the balance is in giving any weapon, suit, mod or vehicle a 60% buff to a stat.
What we got was GTA 514.
What was the CCP reasoning on that??
Please do not shoot the messenger.
Just wondering whats up with this issue??
Thanks for reading. PRO AV 514 vs STD vehicles. Any point you were trying to make is invalid. When PRO AV can't take out an LAV but can decimate a tank, that's a valid issue that needs addressing. LAV is smaller and has speed tanks are bigger and that makes them slower therefor target practice on a sitting duck ofc its hard to take down a good LAV driver, you get to throw one grenade and if he see it hear the pin go or feel it hes out of there just because its a proto av that doesnt make it insta win you dont know what modules is the enemy using on his LAV to aid his LAV against damage That doesn't change the fact that LLAV's can tank better than a TANK. Do you speak from experience on either side of the spectrum or simply conjecture? I can tell you from experience that even a militia fit Chary can tank a Couple wykromi's and laugh, and I speak from using both. Where did he say insta win? It's a fact that most Chary LLAV's can take 3 proto nades while most tank's cannot. So are you trolling or just a nublet trying to pretend like you have seen it all?
Charry are shield based and Limbus are armor based
i run ONLY LLAV Limbus with every module i use the best i can get with ISK so i know
its easy to avoid grenades because you hear the pin go off and you see them and you feel them if you in a LLAV
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Django Quik
R.I.f.t
1130
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Posted - 2013.07.28 14:16:00 -
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THE TRAINSPOTTER wrote:Charry are shield based and Limbus are armor based
i run ONLY LLAV Limbus with every module i use the best i can get with ISK so i know
its easy to avoid grenades because you hear the pin go off and you see them and you feel them if you in a LLAV and in the heat of the battle with a LLAV swarming around you its not always precise where you drop your grenade as with a tank you cant miss
small fast-harder to hit
big heavy-easier to hit
whats so hard to understand What I don't understand is that you appear to be saying that there's no problem with the hp buff on LAVs and then you list reasons why they don't actually need it anyway
Tanks are easier to hit, so need more hp. LAVs are harder to hit but also have loads of hp. What sense does that make? |
Purona
The Vanguardians
26
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Posted - 2013.07.28 14:35:00 -
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lavs without hp turn into easily destroyable death contraptions
all CCP need to do is make it so LAVS cant kill when they hit a dropsuit amd take damage when hitting a dropsuit depending on the type of dropsuit
Heavies deserve to not die when getting hit by a LAV since we cant move fast or jump or get across some obstacles especially since Heavys with HMGS lost the ability to easily take out LAVs with there HP buff |
Cass Caul
Namtar Elite Gallente Federation
12
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Posted - 2013.07.28 14:35:00 -
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Tech Ohm Eaven wrote:Kane Fyea wrote:Tech Ohm Eaven wrote:I hear: "CCP we are doing a balance pass" What I got was a 60% HP buff to LAVs.
I really do not get where the balance is in giving any weapon, suit, mod or vehicle a 60% buff to a stat.
What we got was GTA 514.
What was the CCP reasoning on that??
Please do not shoot the messenger.
Just wondering whats up with this issue??
Thanks for reading. Don't worry they're going to be fixed. Yeah but only after several weeks. Imagine the outcry if CCP decided to buff by 60 percent!! the damage sniper rifles do?? 350 plus proficiency and damage mods gets over 600 damage now imagine if that were buffed by 60%. 600 goes to over 960 damage so a OHK on just about anything?? Or if HMG got a 60% buff to damage and 60% buff to clipsize
My Kaalakiota Tactical Sniper Rifle used to be able to kill Prototype Assault Suits. It was my weapon of choice from January 20th to May 5th. It was awesome. I could get a kill from a headshot! now, I'm lucky if I can kill someone with a headshot from my Thale's TAR-07 Sniper Rifle. I'm a Gallente Scout, the Kaalakiota can't even take out my gk.0 Scout with a full clip.
Oh, thanks to z-fighting every time you're up there on top of the communications building you've got perfect cover.
60% buff to snipers would return them to how they were in all previous builds |
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