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Juliet Priscus
Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.07.27 17:57:00 -
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LightSpeed1 3x10toD8th wrote:The Robot Devil wrote:Nope
you say No cause you probably have been playng this **** for ever and have over 10 million skill points. You care about ur self and not new players who have made mistakes during the learning curve.
not needed at all...
be like everyone else was in eve online when it 1st came out... |
Vavilia Lysenko
Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire
198
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Posted - 2013.07.27 18:00:00 -
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Bleeding Knight wrote:Why do you need a respec? You'll eventually get most of the skill.
Eventually.
There is the whole argument right there.
Why should someone wait for something, when screaming about wanting it now, works so well.
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THUNDERGROOVE
ZionTCD
105
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Posted - 2013.07.27 18:03:00 -
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LightSpeed1 3x10toD8th wrote:CCP wake up an realize skill re specs are a must, every time you tweek the game and nerf stuff, people need to re spec.
You guys are all about making a profit from us gamers, why not be smart and sell the skill re spec for AUR in the market
If you guys don't this I Can almost be sure you will over time keep losing player on Dust, its almost dead now, or are you guys tryng ti finish killing it?
20,000 AUR = Skill Re Spec this is the answer
Like I've said over and over, just because you chose FOTM or chose something you don't like that's entirely your fault.
YOU knew that there could be changes YOU could have done some research
I chose, what is, arguably one of the most underpowered suits available. The Amarr heavy. The HMG is **** when guys can strafe faster than I can turn. By squading up with certain people I learned that in a lot of situations the forge gun is more viable, so I grinded a few weeks to get the DAU assault forge gun and I do pretty well with it, with less chance of losing my suits.
tl;dr Adapt or die |
Heimdallr69
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
355
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Posted - 2013.07.27 18:06:00 -
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Big miku wrote:KingBlade82 wrote:-rolls eyes- well people wouldn't ***** if we didn't have this small cap every week :) taking me a long time trying to invest in skills I want This, the cap is full on needless and just there to make people buy dem boostas. The only argument I've heard from people against cap removale is "people who play 24/7 will be TOP SCORE". People who play all the time will still be better than you no matter what. I agree no cap would be better btw 12m sp so don't claim that I'm a no lifer that wants the extra edge I liked when I could skill into whatever I wanted back in closed beta you remember that ccp? 200-500k sp per game..kinda killed the drive for this player now that I can only get that in a week...I'm not saying make the sp gains that much but atleast remove the cap so there Is some drive in this game right now its I hit the cap well time to get off |
ZDub 303
TeamPlayers EoN.
1304
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Posted - 2013.07.27 18:09:00 -
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Heimdallr69 wrote:Big miku wrote:KingBlade82 wrote:-rolls eyes- well people wouldn't ***** if we didn't have this small cap every week :) taking me a long time trying to invest in skills I want This, the cap is full on needless and just there to make people buy dem boostas. The only argument I've heard from people against cap removale is "people who play 24/7 will be TOP SCORE". People who play all the time will still be better than you no matter what. I agree no cap would be better btw 12m sp so don't claim that I'm a no lifer that wants the extra edge I liked when I could skill into whatever I wanted back in closed beta you remember that ccp? 200-500k sp per game..kinda killed the drive for this player now that I can only get that in a week...I'm not saying make the sp gains that much but atleast remove the cap so there Is some drive in this game right now its I hit the cap well time to get off
Yep same... Hit the cap... Log off for the week. |
Duran Lex
Silver Talon Corporation
113
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Posted - 2013.07.27 18:20:00 -
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ZDub 303 wrote:Dust is just not in a place where you can make informed decisions with your SP. it's unfortunate and frustrating but in its current state... People really need options to work around CCPs changes other than 'grind moar'. When you can't make informed decisions about the future specs of current drop suits and weaponry... What's the point of spending SP and playing the game?
If people truly think we should never have respecs. Then the wisest course of action is to afk farm and not play for the next 5-6 months... Is that a culture we really want to foster in this game?
What does afking farming have to do with any of this? though its moot point since they are going to implement an afk kicking system.
If you don't like something you specced into, why did you spec into in the first place?
Oh yea, cause it was OP. You were enjoying the weapon when you were dominating with it, now that you can't...you no longer enjoy the gun.
Thats bullshit man.
HMG got DESTROYED in nerfs, i still played with it and had fun. Forge gun for months wasn't correctly register direct hits or splash radius hits, i still played with it and had fun. Flaylock is getting nerfed, im still gonna use it cause i enjoy the weapon. Heavy suit hasn't gotten any love since i started playing in open beta, yet its the only suit i use and still have fun.
If you made the mistake of speccing into a gun or suit because it dominated over everything else, which was the sole source of your fun, you don't deserve to be pampered for it.
Try a gun out or suit out, and if you enjoy it...spec into it. If not, don't and move on with your clones limited life.
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Heimdallr69
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
355
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Posted - 2013.07.27 18:26:00 -
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Duran Lex wrote:ZDub 303 wrote:Dust is just not in a place where you can make informed decisions with your SP. it's unfortunate and frustrating but in its current state... People really need options to work around CCPs changes other than 'grind moar'. When you can't make informed decisions about the future specs of current drop suits and weaponry... What's the point of spending SP and playing the game?
If people truly think we should never have respecs. Then the wisest course of action is to afk farm and not play for the next 5-6 months... Is that a culture we really want to foster in this game? What does afking farming have to do with any of this? though its moot point since they are going to implement an afk kicking system. If you don't like something you specced into, why did you spec into in the first place? Oh yea, cause it was OP. You were enjoying the weapon when you were dominating with it, now that you can't...you no longer enjoy the gun. Thats bullshit man. HMG got DESTROYED in nerfs, i still played with it and had fun. Forge gun for months wasn't correctly register direct hits or splash radius hits, i still played with it and had fun. Flaylock is getting nerfed, im still gonna use it cause i enjoy the weapon. Heavy suit hasn't gotten any love since i started playing in open beta, yet its the only suit i use and still have fun. If you made the mistake of speccing into a gun or suit because it dominated over everything else, which was the sole source of your fun, you don't deserve to be pampered for it. Try a gun out or suit out, and if you enjoy it...spec into it. If not, don't and move on with your clones limited life. Well there still isn't railrifles if that's what there called I've got my level to officer in both ar and sr but should I have to skill into a third one even though its not my fault its not out yet so I went with what we have? A respec will be needed at somepoint for half of the weapons/suits/vehicles arnt even in the game yet |
Duran Lex
Silver Talon Corporation
113
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Posted - 2013.07.27 18:30:00 -
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Heimdallr69 wrote: Well there still isn't railrifles if that's what there called I've got my level to officer in both ar and sr but should I have to skill into a third one even though its not my fault its not out yet so I went with what we have? A respec will be needed at somepoint for half of the weapons/suits/vehicles arnt even in the game yet
And considering the fact that they refunded SP when they made the big change to dropsuit command, requiring only lvl 3 to spec into role specific dropsuits, theres a VERY good chance they will do it again because thats a situation that warrants it. Thats completely new equipment that players who are forced into a racial suit they don't want because its not out yet.
weapon and suit balancing are not things that should be given respecs for. it makes no ******* sense.
By that logic, minny logi suits should get a respec because their shield depletion recharge delay was increased by 2 seconds.
**** is silly. |
Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
3489
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Posted - 2013.07.27 18:41:00 -
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Lol no |
Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
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Posted - 2013.07.27 18:48:00 -
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Say no to the respec say yes to the content |
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Malkai Inos
Opus Arcana Covert Intervention
878
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Posted - 2013.07.27 18:52:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Say no to the respec say yes to the content
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Pje251296
KILL ORDERS
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Posted - 2013.07.27 18:54:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Say no to the respec say yes to the content
Exactly. |
Jastad
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
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Posted - 2013.07.27 19:34:00 -
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i want a respec to go out from Amar logi.....
Why now that it gets buffed and not when it was UP? simply because i can see clouds of doom in distance. The NERF brigade will start back to asking for nerfs and make a rain of thread: **** ASSAULT LOGI- LOGI CANT KILL- SIDEARM ALL THE LOGI
And then, you know, Nerfz will come. And a bad one, like the shield regen penalty (i move slower than assault, let give Duvolle user a free 50 wp) or the CPU nerf on CAL.LOGI. I'm glad that i can stille use a flylock as a sidearm (always used before the FOTM and not the core one because you know, Alogi lack PG for proto equip, so every PG count)
That is not "Fight you own war" , this is " Fight your own war, till people start crying so hard that we change your playstile" |
Django Quik
R.I.f.t
1110
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Posted - 2013.07.27 19:54:00 -
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Who was it that was killing kittens for every new respec thread? Are there any left? Are cats on the endangered animals list yet? |
Malkai Inos
Opus Arcana Covert Intervention
880
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Posted - 2013.07.27 20:19:00 -
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Django Quik wrote:Who was it that was killing kittens for every new respec thread? Are there any left? Are cats on the endangered animals list yet? The only two kittens i know of are right here, awaiting their inevitable fate...
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Abby Invo
muse.and.fury
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Posted - 2013.07.27 20:43:00 -
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I'm just gonna go ahead and wrap this thread up so y'all can go back to what you were doing before OP wasted our time. |
First Prophet
Jaguar Empire
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Posted - 2013.07.27 20:56:00 -
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Django Quik wrote:Who was it that was killing kittens for every new respec thread? Are there any left? Are cats on the endangered animals list yet? TheAmazing FlyingPig |
LightSpeed1 3x10toD8th
Ivory Vanguard
11
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Posted - 2013.07.27 21:16:00 -
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Big miku wrote:KingBlade82 wrote:-rolls eyes- well people wouldn't ***** if we didn't have this small cap every week :) taking me a long time trying to invest in skills I want This, the cap is full on needless and just there to make people buy dem boostas. The only argument I've heard from people against cap removale is "people who play 24/7 will be TOP SCORE". People who play all the time will still be better than you no matter what.
yea with or without the cap, people who have no life and play 24/7 will still always have more skill points than you.
this is just a reality of every online game |
Seymor Krelborn
DUST University Ivy League
411
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Posted - 2013.07.27 21:17:00 -
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LightSpeed1 3x10toD8th wrote:CCP wake up an realize skill re specs are a must, every time you tweek the game and nerf stuff, people need to re spec.
You guys are all about making a profit from us gamers, why not be smart and sell the skill re spec for AUR in the market
If you guys don't this I Can almost be sure you will over time keep losing player on Dust, its almost dead now, or are you guys tryng ti finish killing it?
20,000 AUR = Skill Re Spec this is the answer
lol... just quit...oh...and....
NO RESPEC FOR U! |
Heimdallr69
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
358
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Posted - 2013.07.27 21:18:00 -
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LightSpeed1 3x10toD8th wrote:Big miku wrote:KingBlade82 wrote:-rolls eyes- well people wouldn't ***** if we didn't have this small cap every week :) taking me a long time trying to invest in skills I want This, the cap is full on needless and just there to make people buy dem boostas. The only argument I've heard from people against cap removale is "people who play 24/7 will be TOP SCORE". People who play all the time will still be better than you no matter what. yea with or without the cap, people who have no life and play 24/7 will still always have more skill points than you. this is just a reality of every online game This is true they might have more sp but that doesn't mean you can't compete and if your on a cap it would be hard to catch up to other players |
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TheAmazing FlyingPig
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
1963
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Posted - 2013.07.27 21:21:00 -
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First Prophet wrote:Django Quik wrote:Who was it that was killing kittens for every new respec thread? Are there any left? Are cats on the endangered animals list yet? TheAmazing FlyingPig Due to the RL loss of my dearest friend Sammy Whiskers, out of respect for him I've stopped making those posts. |
LightSpeed1 3x10toD8th
Ivory Vanguard
11
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Posted - 2013.07.27 21:27:00 -
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CoD isAIDS wrote:LightSpeed1 3x10toD8th wrote:CCP wake up an realize skill re specs are a must, every time you tweek the game and nerf stuff, people need to re spec.
You guys are all about making a profit from us gamers, why not be smart and sell the skill re spec for AUR in the market
If you guys don't this I Can almost be sure you will over time keep losing player on Dust, its almost dead now, or are you guys tryng ti finish killing it?
20,000 AUR = Skill Re Spec this is the answer lolno Accept the role you skilled in to. If you can't accept that, start another character.
after all the time I spent on my main account you want to create sumthign new so im way worse than now compared to people who have been playng this for months,, you must be f ing stupid |
LightSpeed1 3x10toD8th
Ivory Vanguard
11
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Posted - 2013.07.27 21:34:00 -
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Exergonic wrote:CoD isAIDS wrote:LightSpeed1 3x10toD8th wrote:CCP wake up an realize skill re specs are a must, every time you tweek the game and nerf stuff, people need to re spec.
You guys are all about making a profit from us gamers, why not be smart and sell the skill re spec for AUR in the market
If you guys don't this I Can almost be sure you will over time keep losing player on Dust, its almost dead now, or are you guys tryng ti finish killing it?
20,000 AUR = Skill Re Spec this is the answer lolno Accept the role you skilled in to. If you can't accept that, start another character. Fail sir... Just Fail You can't not offer skill respecs to people in an unfinished game
they offer everything else. from suits, to aur, to vehicles,, why not re spec,, whats the difrence.
NONE |
ZDub 303
TeamPlayers EoN.
1305
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Posted - 2013.07.27 21:56:00 -
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Duran Lex wrote:If you made the mistake of speccing into a gun or suit because it dominated over everything else, which was the sole source of your fun, you don't deserve to be pampered for it.
Try a gun out or suit out, and if you enjoy it...spec into it. If not, don't and move on with your clones limited life.
This has absolutely nothing to do with it. Fact of the matter is... what am I supposed to spend my SP on when its quite possible it wont even be the same suit/weapon in 4 months?
You can't reliably spend your SP on anything right now cause there is a solid chance it won't be what you purchased anyways.
This game is designed such that you cannot get every single skill present in the game.. ever... period. By the time you could get the stuff that is even currently in game, there will be twice as much **** out.. you need to spend your SP in such a way that you specialize in certain things. How do I choose what to specialize into when the stats are changing on items in every patch?
Balancing is necessary, and this game is in a really bad spot in terms of balancing.
I'm not requesting we add indefinite aurum respecs.. but while we're in this rebalancing phase we should definitely be given respecs after major changes... even if its just the SP in the items that changed.
So no... considering I can very reasonably assume that every single weapon, dropsuit, vehicle, playstyle, etc will change in the next 4 months. The best course of action is to farm SP and not spend any of it if we truly are not to receive any sort of respec.
Hopefully CCP will be more reasonable and logical about this than you are. |
LightSpeed1 3x10toD8th
Ivory Vanguard
11
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Posted - 2013.07.27 21:58:00 -
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ZDub 303 wrote:Duran Lex wrote:If you made the mistake of speccing into a gun or suit because it dominated over everything else, which was the sole source of your fun, you don't deserve to be pampered for it.
Try a gun out or suit out, and if you enjoy it...spec into it. If not, don't and move on with your clones limited life.
This has absolutely nothing to do with it. Fact of the matter is... what am I supposed to spend my SP on when its quite possible it wont even be the same suit/weapon in 4 months? You can't reliably spend your SP on anything right now cause there is a solid chance it won't be what you purchased anyways. This game is designed such that you cannot get every single skill present in the game.. ever... period. By the time you could get the stuff that is even currently in game, there will be twice as much **** out.. you need to spend your SP in such a way that you specialize in certain things. How do I choose what to specialize into when the stats are changing on items in every patch? Balancing is necessary, and this game is in a really bad spot in terms of balancing. I'm not requesting we add indefinite aurum respecs.. but while we're in this rebalancing phase we should definitely be given respecs after major changes... even if its just the SP in the items that changed. So no... considering I can very reasonably assume that every single weapon, dropsuit, vehicle, playstyle, etc will change in the next 4 months. The best course of action is to farm SP and not spend any of it if we truly are not to receive any sort of respec. Hopefully CCP will be more reasonable and logical about this than you are.
agreed, if they wont sell us re specs, then atleast they should give us one after all those patches and major game balances |
STABBEY
WarRavens League of Infamy
88
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Posted - 2013.07.27 22:39:00 -
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LightSpeed1 3x10toD8th wrote:CCP wake up an realize skill re specs are a must, every time you tweek the game and nerf stuff, people need to re spec.
You guys are all about making a profit from us gamers, why not be smart and sell the skill re spec for AUR in the market
If you guys don't this I Can almost be sure you will over time keep losing player on Dust, its almost dead now, or are you guys tryng ti finish killing it?
20,000 AUR = Skill Re Spec this is the answer
No one is getting a respec period. We've gotten 2 now the flaylock users must suffer. I didnt ask for a respec when the TAC was nerfed, I adapted and pulled out my trusty Duvole. RESPECS= Not gonna happen. I instructed all my members to stay away from flaylocks and wait for the nerf. Yes it sucks for us but the gungame my guys will have compared to other players now will be above par. FOTM is the reason no1 will be given respecs. Quit asking. |
Jastad
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
71
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Posted - 2013.07.27 23:01:00 -
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STABBEY wrote: No one is getting a respec period. We've gotten 2 now the flaylock users must suffer. I didnt ask for a respec when the TAC was nerfed, I adapted and pulled out my trusty Duvole. RESPECS= Not gonna happen. I instructed all my members to stay away from flaylocks and wait for the nerf. Yes it sucks for us but the gungame my guys will have compared to other players now will be above par. FOTM is the reason no1 will be given respecs. Quit asking.
You know that going in to flylock didnt have the need of respec? it only take 400 sp to go proto from 0
Oh and flylock rebalancing is made with the scalpel and not with the hammer, the fly will still be usable. AND no, your gungame is not above par, simply because the people that use flylock are protostomer duvolle usually, so they need only to roll back to duvolle and smash people like they usually do.
We are talking about the changing of the class that the crybabies want CCP to do. The way it change your play style and how you need to grind sp back. So with this many people quit...and you know what happen when lots of player quit in a MMO? yeah, you're right It dies. Talking about FOTM and asking for nerf is not always good: see many people that are happy cause the Cal.LOgi nerf didnt think that now that ****** bonus is on ASS.SUIT with a more hp, more shield speed regen and a side arm. PUURRRRRFEEECCTTT
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