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Deluxe Edition
TeamPlayers
EoN.
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Posted - 2013.07.26 20:52:00 -
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Just played an ambush (which was full) that didn't have it's first kill until 5 minutes into it (the second kill happened 30 seconds after that). It took me close to 7 minutes (and a full lap around the bridge map starting in the city) to find my first red dot. |
ladwar
Dead Six Initiative
Lokun Listamenn
986
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Posted - 2013.07.26 20:53:00 -
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*small |
Mobius Wyvern
BetaMax.
CRONOS.
2705
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Posted - 2013.07.26 21:12:00 -
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Deluxe Edition wrote:Just played an ambush (which was full) that didn't have it's first kill until 5 minutes into it (the second kill happened 30 seconds after that). It took me close to 7 minutes (and a full lap around the bridge map starting in the city) to find my first red dot.
Everyone talks about Dust sucking because it has tiny maps.
Then a thread saying the maps are too big.
I don't even. |
Buster Friently
Rosen Association
1291
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Posted - 2013.07.26 22:23:00 -
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Deluxe Edition wrote:Just played an ambush (which was full) that didn't have it's first kill until 5 minutes into it (the second kill happened 30 seconds after that). It took me close to 7 minutes (and a full lap around the bridge map starting in the city) to find my first red dot.
Actually, they're too small, making transport vehicles pointless. If they were larger, dropships and lavs would be used to transport, and players would actually have to use tactics as complex as defend. Yeah, we're not even that complex now.
Maps need to be bigger, not smaller, much bigger. |
ZDub 303
TeamPlayers
EoN.
1294
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Posted - 2013.07.26 22:43:00 -
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For ambush and OMS some of the maps are ridiculously large... with essentially no action happening the entire time.
I've had 16v16 matches where I couldn't find a red for 4-5 minutes... that's ridiculous. If we enlarged the maps it would only get worse.
Transport vehicles are unnecessary for 16v16 and generally just take a gun from the field.
That's why you don't see logi dropships after about 30s into a PC battle... they serve essentially no purpose except establishing high ground positions.
Maybe once we're at 32v32 and the maps have enlarged somewhat will transport vehicles be useful. |
Phantom Vaxer
The Generals
EoN.
55
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Posted - 2013.07.26 22:58:00 -
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I agree. Maps are too large for 16v16. There are hotspots but many spots on the map are just deserted with a lousy 32 player count on these maps. BF3 works better 12v12 on console with Rush since areas are abandoned to go ahead while on PC Conquest is marvelous. But Conquest on PC? Especially on Armored Kill? It just doesn't fit... |
ZDub 303
TeamPlayers
EoN.
1295
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Posted - 2013.07.26 23:22:00 -
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Take the bridge map for example.
In that game fights are either in the city or on the bridge... but almost never in both... not enough players.
The only people who want absurdly large maps are snipers. |
Buster Friently
Rosen Association
1291
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Posted - 2013.07.26 23:41:00 -
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ZDub 303 wrote:Take the bridge map for example.
In that game fights are either in the city or on the bridge... but almost never in both... not enough players.
The only people who want absurdly large maps are snipers.
Not true. I rarely snipe, but IMHO, Dust maps should feel as open world as possible. This would add to available tactics making transport, staging, etc more important and providing a more immersive feel. It's true that battles would be less immediately accessible, but I think that would help counteract thee lobby shooter feel that Dust currently has. |
Aizen Intiki
Ghost Wolf Industries
Alpha Wolf Pack
248
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Posted - 2013.07.27 01:33:00 -
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If they make it 32v32, or even 64v64 (on PS4 of course) then we can have some giant battles...... |
Pete B
D.A.R.K Academy
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
26
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Posted - 2013.07.27 02:15:00 -
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Just adding my two cents, but I don't think the problem is that the maps are too big or too small PER SE...
But that the design of the maps means that more or less when people group together, it ends up being a defend/assault game with hotspots (while the rest of the map never gets used), or if people don't group together (which is rare tbh, almost always one team has an organized squad, and everyone else tags along with them), then its a cat and mouse game.
The issue is that the only time maps are large are in game modes like Skirmish where there's real incentive for people to not just clump together, and defend a position. And because of the design on the maps to accommodate the game mode, the maps are usually just NULL cannons in the middle of nowhere, with sparse, empty space between each other.
Game modes like Domination are prime examples of large maps made small by bad design (although prefer smaller maps, and quite like the design). Simply because there's no incentive to run about, causing people to clump together and hold down the NULL cannon.
Of course what I say isn't absolute. The Skirmish map with the pipeline and two gazebo like depots is great (but still has hotspots) in most gamemodes, but what I said does apply to the city map where there is simply a city and nothing around it on skirmish. |
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Lightning Bolt2
DUST University
Ivy League
75
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Posted - 2013.07.27 02:22:00 -
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The maps need bigger AND increased player count. and no I am just beginning to use sniper rifles and I USE A MELEE WEAPON, YOU MIGHT HAVE HEARD OF THEM THEY ARE CALLED NOVA KNIVES. I want them bigger to have more use of vehicles, especially dropships and I want more players so I can stab more people. |
N1ck Comeau
Pro Hic Immortalis
League of Infamy
853
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Posted - 2013.07.27 03:10:00 -
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I want large maps.
with 24V24 gameplay, or more |
The-Errorist
BetaMax Beta
CRONOS.
72
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Posted - 2013.07.27 04:22:00 -
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The maps are large for just 16vs16 because in Uprising, CCP tweaked the maps for 48 players. |
Rusty Shallows
Black Jackals
180
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Posted - 2013.07.27 05:31:00 -
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Mobius Wyvern wrote:Deluxe Edition wrote:Just played an ambush (which was full) that didn't have it's first kill until 5 minutes into it (the second kill happened 30 seconds after that). It took me close to 7 minutes (and a full lap around the bridge map starting in the city) to find my first red dot. Everyone talks about Dust sucking because it has tiny maps. Then a thread saying the maps are too big. I don't even.
Hey we're almost full circle, CCP only needs to re-shrink and reduce us back to one map.
Aside I'm glad the spawn death issue is receding. There was only one spawn night that was total bull ******. Loads better to dying within three seconds of spawning because it started you among red dots. |
Cosgar
ParagonX
3230
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Posted - 2013.07.27 05:34:00 -
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Mobius Wyvern wrote:Everyone talks about Dust sucking because it has tiny maps.
Then a thread saying the maps are too big.
I don't even.
It's like penguins on the north pole saying the south pole is nicer, while the penguin in the south pole are saying the north is nicer. |
Skidd McMarx
DUST University
Ivy League
5
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Posted - 2013.07.27 05:40:00 -
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nope, too small. |
Fiddler Galaine
The United Federation New Eden
Dark Taboo
8
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Posted - 2013.07.27 05:49:00 -
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Rusty Shallows wrote:Mobius Wyvern wrote:Deluxe Edition wrote:Just played an ambush (which was full) that didn't have it's first kill until 5 minutes into it (the second kill happened 30 seconds after that). It took me close to 7 minutes (and a full lap around the bridge map starting in the city) to find my first red dot. Everyone talks about Dust sucking because it has tiny maps. Then a thread saying the maps are too big. I don't even. Hey we're almost full circle, CCP only needs to re-shrink and reduce us back to one map. Aside I'm glad the spawn death issue is receding. There was only one spawn night that was total bull ******. Loads better to dying within three seconds of spawning because it started you among red dots.
You've still got a pretty large chance of spawning among reds. |
Rusty Shallows
Black Jackals
180
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Posted - 2013.07.27 06:10:00 -
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Fiddler Galaine wrote:Rusty Shallows wrote:Mobius Wyvern wrote:Deluxe Edition wrote:Just played an ambush (which was full) that didn't have it's first kill until 5 minutes into it (the second kill happened 30 seconds after that). It took me close to 7 minutes (and a full lap around the bridge map starting in the city) to find my first red dot. Everyone talks about Dust sucking because it has tiny maps. Then a thread saying the maps are too big. I don't even. Hey we're almost full circle, CCP only needs to re-shrink and reduce us back to one map. Aside I'm glad the spawn death issue is receding. There was only one spawn night that was total bull ******. Loads better to dying within three seconds of spawning because it started you among red dots. You've still got a pretty large chance of spawning among reds.
Then again I only played about half a dozen ambush and/or ambush OMS. Maybe luck was involved.
Also, since when was h-o-n-k-e-y considered an actual curse word, really? It's a clean alternative to saying "bull sh!t." |
Cosgar
ParagonX
3232
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Posted - 2013.07.27 06:37:00 -
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We're supposed to be using vehicles. But everyone wants this game to be infantry only, they've been nerfed to the point that nobody uses them. |
Demon Buddah
The Phoenix Federation
39
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Posted - 2013.07.27 06:42:00 -
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Mobius Wyvern wrote:Deluxe Edition wrote:Just played an ambush (which was full) that didn't have it's first kill until 5 minutes into it (the second kill happened 30 seconds after that). It took me close to 7 minutes (and a full lap around the bridge map starting in the city) to find my first red dot. Everyone talks about Dust sucking because it has tiny maps. Then a thread saying the maps are too big. I don't even.
Who ever said the maps were small lol?? I think they're pretty damn big. We really do need more people in the matches. And make the maps bigger  . 64vs64=awesome battles |
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daishi mk03
Brutor Vanguard
Minmatar Republic
20
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Posted - 2013.07.27 08:43:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:Mobius Wyvern wrote:Everyone talks about Dust sucking because it has tiny maps.
Then a thread saying the maps are too big.
I don't even. It's like penguins on the north pole saying the south pole is nicer, while the penguin in the south pole are saying the north is nicer.
This is the stupidest thing I have read in this forum ever. I wish I could slap you, or insult you or anything.
Just for you: THERE ARE NO F**** PENGUINS ON NORTH POLE. NO F**** PENGUINS THERE. FFS.
My God. Please. This planet is dead. |
Cosgar
ParagonX
3240
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Posted - 2013.07.27 08:53:00 -
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daishi mk03 wrote:Cosgar wrote:Mobius Wyvern wrote:Everyone talks about Dust sucking because it has tiny maps.
Then a thread saying the maps are too big.
I don't even. It's like penguins on the north pole saying the south pole is nicer, while the penguin in the south pole are saying the north is nicer. This is the stupidest thing I have read in this forum ever. I wish I could slap you, or insult you or anything. Just for you: THERE ARE NO F**** PENGUINS ON NORTH POLE. NO F**** PENGUINS THERE. FFS.My God. Please. This planet is dead.
I was being facetious... |
daishi mk03
Brutor Vanguard
Minmatar Republic
20
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Posted - 2013.07.27 08:57:00 -
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You so funny, I better eat you now. |
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