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VicBoss
Militaires-Sans-Frontieres
316
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Posted - 2013.07.26 01:46:00 -
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We attack you for kittens and giggles. We found who really controls your districts. We found that out of 16 players only 6 of them were Durrty Boyz. Sadly the ringers were just the normal Caldari Logi Flaylocked and Contacted nade losers from the "Glorious corps" of TCD toxicated and SVER Truebloods. We really suggest that Dem Durrty Boyz rename their district 4 RENT, because that is the obvious function of the district. Also something of note, is that Dem Durrty Boyz not only paid the ringers to fight for them, but also to trash talk with them and say how we tried to AWOX them. I have one thing to say, if we wanted to AWOX you wouldn't we have rather brought a full 16 to the match? We only brought 12 guys, and it was still a close fight, just know, Durrty Boyz and all other Indies, that we will come for you, and we will kill you.... all. We thank you for your cooperation. |
Soldier of Mawat
Militaires-Sans-Frontieres
101
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Posted - 2013.07.26 02:06:00 -
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ERROR 404....CORP NOT FOUND |
Kas Croixe
Militaires-Sans-Frontieres
43
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Posted - 2013.07.26 02:08:00 -
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took 'em two tanks, an assault DS, and some nade spam to kill my shield 'n missile tank(and they still lost those tanks. and some infantry) I really can't think of a better insult than that. |
Rogatien Merc
Red Star. EoN.
521
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Posted - 2013.07.26 02:25:00 -
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Yay for relevant unaligned trash talk
/me munches popcorn. |
TechMechMeds
Swamp Marines
93
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Posted - 2013.07.26 02:27:00 -
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I iz liking dis what Eva dis iz, it iz gud |
Serimos Haeraven
Deep Space Republic Top Men.
289
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Posted - 2013.07.26 03:14:00 -
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We (New Eden's Most Wanted) just tonight took out a bunch of Dem Durrty Boyz that rang for TCD in a PC attack against my alliance's planet, and we practically red lined them on 4 objectives for the entire match. We will help in ridding of them for sure |
Soraya Xel
New Eden's Most Wanted Top Men.
167
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Posted - 2013.07.26 05:30:00 -
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TCD and Dem Durrty are, as it appears, allies not in an alliance. |
Rogatien Merc
Red Star. EoN.
532
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Posted - 2013.07.26 05:43:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:TCD and Dem Durrty are, as it appears, allies not in an alliance. This is known.
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True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
842
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Posted - 2013.07.26 06:06:00 -
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VicBoss wrote:We attack you for kittens and giggles. We found who really controls your districts. We found that out of 16 players only 6 of them were Durrty Boyz. Sadly the ringers were just the normal Caldari Logi Flaylocked and Contacted nade losers from the "Glorious corps" of TCD toxicated and SVER Truebloods. We really suggest that Dem Durrty Boyz rename their district 4 RENT, because that is the obvious function of the district. Also something of note, is that Dem Durrty Boyz not only paid the ringers to fight for them, but also to trash talk with them and say how we tried to AWOX them. I have one thing to say, if we wanted to AWOX you wouldn't we have rather brought a full 16 to the match? We only brought 12 guys, and it was still a close fight, just know, Durrty Boyz and all other Indies, that we will come for you, and we will kill you.... all. We thank you for your cooperation. EDIT Here is something for your enjoyment I hear that I'm bombing them from orbit enough.... without those ringers man they couldn't hold up to a certain corp.... and would have had a tough time looking elsewhere in PC.... oh and if its not obvious I am a member of PIE but also the aforementioned corp..... |
True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
842
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Posted - 2013.07.26 06:07:00 -
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Serimos Haeraven wrote:We (New Eden's Most Wanted) just tonight took out a bunch of Dem Durrty Boyz that rang for TCD in a PC attack against my alliance's planet, and we practically red lined them on 4 objectives for the entire match. We will help in ridding of them for sure That's about how it goes... unless they call those ringers..... |
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Gods Architect
SVER True Blood
253
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Posted - 2013.07.26 08:58:00 -
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VicBoss wrote:We attack you for kittens and giggles. We found who really controls your districts. We found that out of 16 players only 6 of them were Durrty Boyz. Sadly the ringers were just the normal Caldari Logi Flaylocked and Contacted nade losers from the "Glorious corps" of TCD toxicated and SVER Truebloods. We really suggest that Dem Durrty Boyz rename their district 4 RENT, because that is the obvious function of the district. Also something of note, is that Dem Durrty Boyz not only paid the ringers to fight for them, but also to trash talk with them and say how we tried to AWOX them. I have one thing to say, if we wanted to AWOX you wouldn't we have rather brought a full 16 to the match? We only brought 12 guys, and it was still a close fight, just know, Durrty Boyz and all other Indies, that we will come for you, and we will kill you.... all. We thank you for your cooperation. EDIT Here is something for your enjoyment umad bro |
Ion Crush
Militaires-Sans-Frontieres
60
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Posted - 2013.07.26 10:37:00 -
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Gods Architect wrote:VicBoss wrote:We attack you for kittens and giggles. We found who really controls your districts. We found that out of 16 players only 6 of them were Durrty Boyz. Sadly the ringers were just the normal Caldari Logi Flaylocked and Contacted nade losers from the "Glorious corps" of TCD toxicated and SVER Truebloods. We really suggest that Dem Durrty Boyz rename their district 4 RENT, because that is the obvious function of the district. Also something of note, is that Dem Durrty Boyz not only paid the ringers to fight for them, but also to trash talk with them and say how we tried to AWOX them. I have one thing to say, if we wanted to AWOX you wouldn't we have rather brought a full 16 to the match? We only brought 12 guys, and it was still a close fight, just know, Durrty Boyz and all other Indies, that we will come for you, and we will kill you.... all. We thank you for your cooperation. EDIT Here is something for your enjoyment umad bro
Just laughing at how pathetic it all was. |
Gods Architect
SVER True Blood
253
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Posted - 2013.07.26 10:52:00 -
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Ion Crush wrote:Gods Architect wrote:VicBoss wrote:We attack you for kittens and giggles. We found who really controls your districts. We found that out of 16 players only 6 of them were Durrty Boyz. Sadly the ringers were just the normal Caldari Logi Flaylocked and Contacted nade losers from the "Glorious corps" of TCD toxicated and SVER Truebloods. We really suggest that Dem Durrty Boyz rename their district 4 RENT, because that is the obvious function of the district. Also something of note, is that Dem Durrty Boyz not only paid the ringers to fight for them, but also to trash talk with them and say how we tried to AWOX them. I have one thing to say, if we wanted to AWOX you wouldn't we have rather brought a full 16 to the match? We only brought 12 guys, and it was still a close fight, just know, Durrty Boyz and all other Indies, that we will come for you, and we will kill you.... all. We thank you for your cooperation. EDIT Here is something for your enjoyment umad bro Just laughing at how pathetic it all was. ha ok cuz he sounded mad and I thought he may had wanted some isk back for ur struggles. Anyways all jokes aside I did not participate on any pc recently but TCD and SVER are not together on any corporate business that I currently know of but hell things may have changed. Its a savage world and complaining and stating on the forums doesn't change the fact of who was the victor. Don't take it personal but it's only business |
Kas Croixe
Militaires-Sans-Frontieres
51
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Posted - 2013.07.26 12:01:00 -
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darn it. I got off work, saw that there were replies, and I thought one of the DDB had come in trying to act tough. Guess they hire out their forum work too.
Also, props to your ADS pilot, and shame on whoever was driving the blaster tank.
Now if only the DDB had performed even half as well as their ringers, they might attract some real talent. Who knows, one day they could even be able to fill out half the battle with their own guys. HA!
Goodnight! |
True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
845
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Posted - 2013.07.26 12:39:00 -
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Gods Architect wrote:Ion Crush wrote:Gods Architect wrote:VicBoss wrote:We attack you for kittens and giggles. We found who really controls your districts. We found that out of 16 players only 6 of them were Durrty Boyz. Sadly the ringers were just the normal Caldari Logi Flaylocked and Contacted nade losers from the "Glorious corps" of TCD toxicated and SVER Truebloods. We really suggest that Dem Durrty Boyz rename their district 4 RENT, because that is the obvious function of the district. Also something of note, is that Dem Durrty Boyz not only paid the ringers to fight for them, but also to trash talk with them and say how we tried to AWOX them. I have one thing to say, if we wanted to AWOX you wouldn't we have rather brought a full 16 to the match? We only brought 12 guys, and it was still a close fight, just know, Durrty Boyz and all other Indies, that we will come for you, and we will kill you.... all. We thank you for your cooperation. EDIT Here is something for your enjoyment umad bro Just laughing at how pathetic it all was. ha ok cuz he sounded mad and I thought he may had wanted some isk back for ur struggles. Anyways all jokes aside I did not participate on any pc recently but TCD and SVER are not together on any corporate business that I currently know of but hell things may have changed. Its a savage world and complaining and stating on the forums doesn't change the fact of who was the victor. Don't take it personal but it's only business I don't even think the issue is about that.... its kind of that compared to indy corps you guys are on another level
in eve terms your tech II and were tech I.
I think it would be awesome if the indies could have their own wars... but that wont happen so its going to be a mater of which groups hire who in EoN..... yeah its fine but its not enjoyable.
Tbh I would love to write lore about my alliance and its working in PC.... but if I have to write "The battle saw the two opposing team of..... Teamplayers and Synergy Games set up at the ......" that would not make for good or entertaining story telling.... and that's all indy matches are.
Peeps in the big name corps get bored and ring for the smaller corps essentially taking over the war and making it X vs EoN or EoN vs EoN.
Again New Eden is a tough place with harsh laws, and mercs are the name of the game.... though it would be nice to look my real enemies in the eye/ face plate as I fight.
(Not that PIE has anything to do with PC at all and probably never will) |
VicBoss
Militaires-Sans-Frontieres
326
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Posted - 2013.07.26 13:10:00 -
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Gods Architect wrote:Ion Crush wrote:Gods Architect wrote:VicBoss wrote:We attack you for kittens and giggles. We found who really controls your districts. We found that out of 16 players only 6 of them were Durrty Boyz. Sadly the ringers were just the normal Caldari Logi Flaylocked and Contacted nade losers from the "Glorious corps" of TCD toxicated and SVER Truebloods. We really suggest that Dem Durrty Boyz rename their district 4 RENT, because that is the obvious function of the district. Also something of note, is that Dem Durrty Boyz not only paid the ringers to fight for them, but also to trash talk with them and say how we tried to AWOX them. I have one thing to say, if we wanted to AWOX you wouldn't we have rather brought a full 16 to the match? We only brought 12 guys, and it was still a close fight, just know, Durrty Boyz and all other Indies, that we will come for you, and we will kill you.... all. We thank you for your cooperation. EDIT Here is something for your enjoyment umad bro Just laughing at how pathetic it all was. ha ok cuz he sounded mad and I thought he may had wanted some isk back for ur struggles. Anyways all jokes aside I did not participate on any pc recently but TCD and SVER are not together on any corporate business that I currently know of but hell things may have changed. Its a savage world and complaining and stating on the forums doesn't change the fact of who was the victor. Don't take it personal but it's only business
Its ok, you guys are safe for now, then we will come for you and kill you likewise all the other small corporations. Its nothing personal but we just have to have people to kill, and you are not first on the list, (however I think an IQ test should be required, we were also accused of getting Deltah Farce to attack STB, and why the kitten would ANYONE hire Deltah Farce out for anything besides cleaning bathrooms?) However you guys can sleep soundly for now, we will come knocking on your door soon enough. |
Exergonic
TeamPlayers EoN.
253
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Posted - 2013.07.26 14:28:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Gods Architect wrote:Ion Crush wrote:Gods Architect wrote:VicBoss wrote:We attack you for kittens and giggles. We found who really controls your districts. We found that out of 16 players only 6 of them were Durrty Boyz. Sadly the ringers were just the normal Caldari Logi Flaylocked and Contacted nade losers from the "Glorious corps" of TCD toxicated and SVER Truebloods. We really suggest that Dem Durrty Boyz rename their district 4 RENT, because that is the obvious function of the district. Also something of note, is that Dem Durrty Boyz not only paid the ringers to fight for them, but also to trash talk with them and say how we tried to AWOX them. I have one thing to say, if we wanted to AWOX you wouldn't we have rather brought a full 16 to the match? We only brought 12 guys, and it was still a close fight, just know, Durrty Boyz and all other Indies, that we will come for you, and we will kill you.... all. We thank you for your cooperation. EDIT Here is something for your enjoyment umad bro Just laughing at how pathetic it all was. ha ok cuz he sounded mad and I thought he may had wanted some isk back for ur struggles. Anyways all jokes aside I did not participate on any pc recently but TCD and SVER are not together on any corporate business that I currently know of but hell things may have changed. Its a savage world and complaining and stating on the forums doesn't change the fact of who was the victor. Don't take it personal but it's only business I don't even think the issue is about that.... its kind of that compared to indy corps you guys are on another level in eve terms your tech II and were tech I. I think it would be awesome if the indies could have their own wars... but that wont happen so its going to be a mater of which groups hire who in EoN..... yeah its fine but its not enjoyable. Tbh I would love to write lore about my alliance and its working in PC.... but if I have to write "The battle saw the two opposing team of..... Teamplayers and Synergy Games set up at the ......" that would not make for good or entertaining story telling.... and that's all indy matches are. Peeps in the big name corps get bored and ring for the smaller corps essentially taking over the war and making it X vs EoN or EoN vs EoN. Again New Eden is a tough place with harsh laws, and mercs are the name of the game.... though it would be nice to look my real enemies in the eye/ face plate as I fight. (Not that PIE has anything to do with PC at all and probably never will)
Eon. tends to stray away from Indie fights... We want them to learn and grow... Then come at us =)
But we are all suckers for ISK... If you have the money and want to blow it on hiring a corp to fight for you then do it... Its New Eden, welcome to it =) |
JK420
Dem Durrty Boyz
2
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Posted - 2013.07.26 14:37:00 -
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sorry it took m a little while to respond vic boss, I don't troll the forums like you. whenever you want it come and get it, we don't have a ton of ppl in our corp so we help our allies and they help us. we always love haters so please keep talking smack and getting beat down in game. one word of advice before you try anything stupid on your part, GET GOOD. |
TheWee BabySeamus
Dem Durrty Boyz
27
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Posted - 2013.07.26 15:01:00 -
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VicBoss wrote:Gods Architect wrote:Ion Crush wrote:Gods Architect wrote:VicBoss wrote:We attack you for kittens and giggles. We found who really controls your districts. We found that out of 16 players only 6 of them were Durrty Boyz. Sadly the ringers were just the normal Caldari Logi Flaylocked and Contacted nade losers from the "Glorious corps" of TCD toxicated and SVER Truebloods. We really suggest that Dem Durrty Boyz rename their district 4 RENT, because that is the obvious function of the district. Also something of note, is that Dem Durrty Boyz not only paid the ringers to fight for them, but also to trash talk with them and say how we tried to AWOX them. I have one thing to say, if we wanted to AWOX you wouldn't we have rather brought a full 16 to the match? We only brought 12 guys, and it was still a close fight, just know, Durrty Boyz and all other Indies, that we will come for you, and we will kill you.... all. We thank you for your cooperation. EDIT Here is something for your enjoyment umad bro Just laughing at how pathetic it all was. ha ok cuz he sounded mad and I thought he may had wanted some isk back for ur struggles. Anyways all jokes aside I did not participate on any pc recently but TCD and SVER are not together on any corporate business that I currently know of but hell things may have changed. Its a savage world and complaining and stating on the forums doesn't change the fact of who was the victor. Don't take it personal but it's only business Its ok, you guys are safe for now, then we will come for you and kill you likewise all the other small corporations. Its nothing personal but we just have to have people to kill, and you are not first on the list, (however I think an IQ test should be required, we were also accused of getting Deltah Farce to attack STB, and why the kitten would ANYONE hire Deltah Farce out for anything besides cleaning bathrooms?) However you guys can sleep soundly for now, we will come knocking on your door soon enough.
Come at us bro, we could always use the ISK payout for smackin that a$$..........................again. |
TheWee BabySeamus
Dem Durrty Boyz
27
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Posted - 2013.07.26 15:07:00 -
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Ion Crush wrote:Gods Architect wrote:VicBoss wrote:We attack you for kittens and giggles. We found who really controls your districts. We found that out of 16 players only 6 of them were Durrty Boyz. Sadly the ringers were just the normal Caldari Logi Flaylocked and Contacted nade losers from the "Glorious corps" of TCD toxicated and SVER Truebloods. We really suggest that Dem Durrty Boyz rename their district 4 RENT, because that is the obvious function of the district. Also something of note, is that Dem Durrty Boyz not only paid the ringers to fight for them, but also to trash talk with them and say how we tried to AWOX them. I have one thing to say, if we wanted to AWOX you wouldn't we have rather brought a full 16 to the match? We only brought 12 guys, and it was still a close fight, just know, Durrty Boyz and all other Indies, that we will come for you, and we will kill you.... all. We thank you for your cooperation. EDIT Here is something for your enjoyment umad bro Just laughing at how pathetic it all was.
What's pathetic is that you were embarrassed by us and our "ringers" and now you feel that you have to "smash" us on the forums. It reminds me of High School. So I will leave all of you haters here with some food for thought, its our motto actually...........................GET GOOD. Then maybe you guys will be able to take us.
- Wee Baby |
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Twisted202
Ancient Exiles Negative-Feedback
265
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Posted - 2013.07.26 15:30:00 -
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Ringers are ringers, you can't complain about it.
Saying "get good" is a joke when more than half your team is ringers.
Both of you corps are as bad as each other. |
Azura Sakura
Militaires-Sans-Frontieres
377
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Posted - 2013.07.26 15:33:00 -
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TheWee BabySeamus wrote:Ion Crush wrote:Gods Architect wrote:VicBoss wrote:We attack you for kittens and giggles. We found who really controls your districts. We found that out of 16 players only 6 of them were Durrty Boyz. Sadly the ringers were just the normal Caldari Logi Flaylocked and Contacted nade losers from the "Glorious corps" of TCD toxicated and SVER Truebloods. We really suggest that Dem Durrty Boyz rename their district 4 RENT, because that is the obvious function of the district. Also something of note, is that Dem Durrty Boyz not only paid the ringers to fight for them, but also to trash talk with them and say how we tried to AWOX them. I have one thing to say, if we wanted to AWOX you wouldn't we have rather brought a full 16 to the match? We only brought 12 guys, and it was still a close fight, just know, Durrty Boyz and all other Indies, that we will come for you, and we will kill you.... all. We thank you for your cooperation. EDIT Here is something for your enjoyment umad bro Just laughing at how pathetic it all was. What's pathetic is that you were embarrassed by us and our "ringers" and now you feel that you have to "smash" us on the forums. It reminds me of High School. So I will leave all of you haters here with some food for thought, its our motto actually...........................GET GOOD. Then maybe you guys will be able to take us. - Wee Baby We'll see after the cal and flaylock nerf. |
Azura Sakura
Militaires-Sans-Frontieres
377
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Posted - 2013.07.26 15:36:00 -
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Twisted202 wrote:Ringers are ringers, you can't complain about it.
You're right. Just wanted to call them out because I don't think any of their guys top the leaderboard that match. I didnt top the leaderboards too because I was flying |
Serimos Haeraven
Deep Space Republic Top Men.
291
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Posted - 2013.07.26 16:57:00 -
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Kas Croixe wrote:darn it. I got off work, saw that there were replies, and I thought one of the DDB had come in trying to act tough. Guess they hire out their forum work too.
Also, props to your ADS pilot, and shame on whoever was driving the blaster tank.
Now if only the DDB had performed even half as well as their ringers, they might attract some real talent. Who knows, one day they could even be able to fill out half the battle with their own guys. HA!
Goodnight! When we were going against them last night I took out that ADS with my python before they could even respond lol, then they started trying to spam forge gun shots at my Python, but never got me until the very end where they had 1 ticker left and double shotted me all at once But hey, at least we won. And now we're starting a full out assault on TCD to rid them off of PC... so wish us luck |
Azura Sakura
Militaires-Sans-Frontieres
377
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Posted - 2013.07.26 17:10:00 -
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Serimos Haeraven wrote:Kas Croixe wrote:darn it. I got off work, saw that there were replies, and I thought one of the DDB had come in trying to act tough. Guess they hire out their forum work too.
Also, props to your ADS pilot, and shame on whoever was driving the blaster tank.
Now if only the DDB had performed even half as well as their ringers, they might attract some real talent. Who knows, one day they could even be able to fill out half the battle with their own guys. HA!
Goodnight! When we were going against them last night I took out that ADS with my python before they could even respond lol, then they started trying to spam forge gun shots at my Python, but never got me until the very end where they had 1 ticker left and double shotted me all at once But hey, at least we won. And now we're starting a full out assault on TCD to rid them off of PC... so wish us luck damn good luck. Don't know who we are attacking next time, just here to keep the corp name out there lol. |
STEALTH HUNTER ZERO
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
14
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Posted - 2013.07.26 20:05:00 -
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Good Luck guys on fighting them, but don't be surprised if team players joins in to do what they obviously cant lol. We are waiting till after 1.3 to attack anyone since the last corp we attacked only brought 5 of their own guys and 3 other corps joined in to save the day... well one corp trully rang for everyone else lmao. BTW, saying get gud when you cant (probably won't) field over half your own corp members in a battle is kitten hilarious. |
Soraya Xel
New Eden's Most Wanted Top Men.
168
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Posted - 2013.07.26 20:20:00 -
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What does 1.3 have to do with it? |
STEALTH HUNTER ZERO
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
15
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Posted - 2013.07.26 20:24:00 -
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The flaylock contact nade spam that is niether fun or skillful.... after hat ridiculousness is fixed we will attack again. Hopefully they will increase clone packs to 120-125 clones soon as well. |
TheWee BabySeamus
Dem Durrty Boyz
29
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Posted - 2013.07.26 20:29:00 -
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Azura Sakura wrote:TheWee BabySeamus wrote:Ion Crush wrote:Gods Architect wrote:VicBoss wrote:We attack you for kittens and giggles. We found who really controls your districts. We found that out of 16 players only 6 of them were Durrty Boyz. Sadly the ringers were just the normal Caldari Logi Flaylocked and Contacted nade losers from the "Glorious corps" of TCD toxicated and SVER Truebloods. We really suggest that Dem Durrty Boyz rename their district 4 RENT, because that is the obvious function of the district. Also something of note, is that Dem Durrty Boyz not only paid the ringers to fight for them, but also to trash talk with them and say how we tried to AWOX them. I have one thing to say, if we wanted to AWOX you wouldn't we have rather brought a full 16 to the match? We only brought 12 guys, and it was still a close fight, just know, Durrty Boyz and all other Indies, that we will come for you, and we will kill you.... all. We thank you for your cooperation. EDIT Here is something for your enjoyment umad bro Just laughing at how pathetic it all was. What's pathetic is that you were embarrassed by us and our "ringers" and now you feel that you have to "smash" us on the forums. It reminds me of High School. So I will leave all of you haters here with some food for thought, its our motto actually...........................GET GOOD. Then maybe you guys will be able to take us. - Wee Baby We'll see after the cal and flaylock nerf.
Come at us, but don't start beating your wife after we smack that ass again, and again, and again. Spousal Abuse is not something to laugh about. But you guys attacking us again.............................truly funny.
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TheWee BabySeamus
Dem Durrty Boyz
29
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Posted - 2013.07.26 20:30:00 -
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STEALTH HUNTER ZERO wrote:Good Luck guys on fighting them, but don't be surprised if team players joins in to do what they obviously cant lol. We are waiting till after 1.3 to attack anyone since the last corp we attacked only brought 5 of their own guys and 3 other corps joined in to save the day... well one corp trully rang for everyone else lmao. BTW, saying get gud when you cant (probably won't) field over half your own corp members in a battle is kitten hilarious.
That's what happens when our players are not no lifers and have responsibilities to deal with. |
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