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Atticus Wolf ROGUE SPADES EoN. 21	Posted - 2013.07.25 21:11:00 - [1] - Quote Now I will be the first one to admit that the Caldari logi is overpowered and Was not being used for its intended purpose I believe the taking away the shield extender bonus effectively puts it back in line I am not sure why CCP thinks that it is necessary to decrease the CPU on these As an example I looked up all of the CPU on all of the proto-level Logi suits, All of the suits have a CPU of 390 So why then is the Caldari Logi suit being decreased to 350 while all other suits stay the same?? I am confused can someone explain
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 746	Posted - 2013.07.25 21:13:00 - [2] - Quote Atticus Wolf wrote: Now I will be the first one to admit that the Caldari logi is overpowered and Was not being used for its intended purpose I believe the taking away the shield extender bonus effectively puts it back in line I am not sure why CCP thinks that it is necessary to decrease the CPU on these As an example I looked up all of the CPU on all of the proto-level Logi suits, All of the suits have a CPU of 390 So why then is the Caldari Logi suit being decreased to 350 while all other suits stay the same?? I am confused can someone explain Shield mods and Damage mods are both CPU heavy so, just to be sure........
Lance 2ballzStrong SyNergy Gaming EoN. 3128	Posted - 2013.07.25 21:14:00 - [3] - Quote Adding a CPU upgrade is hard to do? kthen
Eriknaught Vader's Taco Shack 109	Posted - 2013.07.25 21:14:00 - [4] - Quote Doesn't matter, still has enough capability to be a strong Logi suit. That is all. Eriknaught out. END TRANSMISSION.
Luk Manag of Terror 59	Posted - 2013.07.25 21:15:00 - [5] - Quote It is so you have to pick between proto support or proto defense or proto offense. I already refit most of my ADV Cal Logi setups with STD support equipment (30% injector), grenades and Exile, so I don't have to give up my extenders and plates.
Atticus Wolf ROGUE SPADES EoN. 21	Posted - 2013.07.25 21:15:00 - [6] - Quote If that's true why aren't all logi suits getting the same nerf?
Oso Peresoso RisingSuns 357	Posted - 2013.07.25 21:16:00 - [7] - Quote suits aren't required to have the same PG/CPU across racial lines, so that's not a reason to keep it the same, really. Besides extender bonus is being replaced with an also-useful regulator bonus, so it shouldn't be surprising that the CPU nerf is layered on top of that change.
Atticus Wolf ROGUE SPADES EoN. 21	Posted - 2013.07.25 21:17:00 - [8] - Quote Adding a CPU upgrade is easy on the proto-level suit but not the advance suit which only has 2 lows and decreases cpu by 28
Vicious Minotaur Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 112	Posted - 2013.07.25 21:18:00 - [9] - Quote Well... on my Caldari alt, I put one point into Caldari logi so I can use the basic Caldari Logi suit (for support, not assault). Every single one of my Cal logi fittings are not unusable after the nerf. This does not sit well with me.
ZDub 303 TeamPlayers EoN. 1259	Posted - 2013.07.25 21:20:00 - [10] - Quote I think the idea is that since we only have 3 equipment slots.. in order to keep our combat efficacy on par with other logi suits we should have had a CPU reduction. Its really all I can think of. its not a terrible nerf though... not for assault logis anyways. 390 Base CPU + Electronics 4 + Core Upgrades 4 + Enhanced CPU Module (25%) is 608.4 CPU 350 Base CPU + Electronics 5 + Core Upgrades 4 + Complex CPU Module (35%) is 614.25 CPU You just need maxed out electronics now to maintain your old lifestyle. It also means you'll want to stick to nano circuitry based equipment as the skill provides a passive 5% CPU reduction per level. At this point I'm just glad they didn't nerf our PG... otherwise there would be no way I could run any equipment.
Atticus Wolf ROGUE SPADES EoN. 21	Posted - 2013.07.25 21:20:00 - [11] - Quote I mostly use my advanced level Caldari Logic suit so this Nerf really hits hard, I am fine with the shield nerf
Atticus Wolf ROGUE SPADES EoN. 21	Posted - 2013.07.25 21:25:00 - [12] - Quote I do have electronics and pg upgrades to five so I do have the maximum CPU And pg that you can have for the suit. It means I have to put a CPU upgrade into one of my lows, a regulator into my other low giving my very low armour
Delta 749 Kestrel Reconnaissance 1456	Posted - 2013.07.25 21:26:00 - [13] - Quote Definitely going to far, the skill it had was overpowered not the CPU and all this does is hurt people that actually were playing logistics characters
Alldin Kan Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 441	Posted - 2013.07.25 21:28:00 - [14] - Quote Atticus Wolf wrote: Now I will be the first one to admit that the Caldari logi is overpowered and Was not being used for its intended purpose I believe the taking away the shield extender bonus effectively puts it back in line I am not sure why CCP thinks that it is necessary to decrease the CPU on these As an example I looked up all of the CPU on all of the proto-level Logi suits, All of the suits have a CPU of 390 So why then is the Caldari Logi suit being decreased to 350 while all other suits stay the same?? I am confused can someone explain Answer to title of thread: No.
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 918	Posted - 2013.07.25 21:41:00 - [15] - Quote You already have 1 more low slot than you're supposed to. Just stick a CPU extender on.
Oso Peresoso RisingSuns 357	Posted - 2013.07.25 21:45:00 - [16] - Quote Vicious Minotaur wrote: Well... on my Caldari alt, I put one point into Caldari logi so I can use the basic Caldari Logi suit (for support, not assault). Every single one of my Cal logi fittings are not unusable after the nerf. This does not sit well with me. would agree in general that a 20 CPU nerf to all variants stupidly hurts the basic logi far more than proto logi.
ZDub 303 TeamPlayers EoN. 1259	Posted - 2013.07.25 21:54:00 - [17] - Quote Oso Peresoso wrote: Vicious Minotaur wrote: Well... on my Caldari alt, I put one point into Caldari logi so I can use the basic Caldari Logi suit (for support, not assault). Every single one of my Cal logi fittings are not unusable after the nerf. This does not sit well with me. would agree in general that a 20 CPU nerf to all variants stupidly hurts the basic logi far more than proto logi. Symptom of a deeper problem imo. Basic and Adv suits should not have so many fewer slots than proto suits do.
Vyzion Eyri The Southern Legion 1071	Posted - 2013.07.25 22:08:00 - [18] - Quote Well when you think about it, the second highest base shield value for other prototype dropsuits is 120 for the Logistics ak.0. So essentially, CCP has given the Caldari a free Complex shield extender for 40 CPU. You may argue that the other suits have free armour plates with no movement penalty. Sure, but remember that armour plates use low slots and HP will eventually have to be sacrificed somewhere down the track for a CPU enhancer. Not the case for shield extenders. ie. CCP knows that extra CPU for all other suits makes up for the fact that the Caldari can fit a CPU extender with less penalty to its tank than the rest.
Atticus Wolf ROGUE SPADES EoN. 22	Posted - 2013.07.26 01:13:00 - [19] - Quote I totally agree that Proto caldari logi you will not be hurt too much by the nerf since it has 4 lows to put a CPU upgrade in but the lesser suits get a hard hit with so few lows.
ZDub 303 TeamPlayers EoN. 1259	Posted - 2013.07.26 01:27:00 - [20] - Quote Just so people understand... Any caldari logi using equipment (yeah I know not many of us) was already running a CPU mod to begin with. Assault logis won't even feel this CPU reduction except for the shotgun users. It's only really hurt hit the actual logis. I understand its only a temporary fix but i really hope they review cal logis for 1.4 and help out the equip based logis a little.
DRDEEZE TWO POINTO Foxhound Corporation General Tso's Alliance 65	Posted - 2013.07.26 01:28:00 - [21] - Quote No it has at least one low then it's fine your not an armor tanker your shield so you have free slots.
Tectonic Fusion The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 71	Posted - 2013.07.26 01:43:00 - [22] - Quote Luk Manag wrote: It is so you have to pick between proto support or proto defense or proto offense. I already refit most of my ADV Cal Logi setups with STD support equipment (30% injector), grenades and Exile, so I don't have to give up my extenders and plates. lol i use standard equipment 3 complex shields, enhanced armor and a duvolle on my advawnced Y U NO USE LOGI TO ITS FULL EXTENT!
Tectonic Fusion The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 71	Posted - 2013.07.26 01:50:00 - [23] - Quote ZDub 303 wrote: Just so people understand... Any caldari logi using equipment (yeah I know not many of us) was already running a CPU mod to begin with. Assault logis won't even feel this CPU reduction except for the shotgun users. It's only really hurt hit the actual logis. I understand its only a temporary fix but i really hope they review cal logis for 1.4 and help out the equip based logis a little. I'm pretty sure most of us at least had a nanohive and a nanite injector. The only rare one that I use that not many callogi players use was the repair tool.
LightSpeed1 3x10toD8th Ivory Vanguard 3	Posted - 2013.07.26 01:53:00 - [24] - Quote just throw in a cpu enhancer at advanced level and u are fine. Logis are ment to be support roll not a tank
We are 138 Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 157	Posted - 2013.07.26 02:00:00 - [25] - Quote hush OP, as a callogi myself try being a logi and not an assault. I have pre-nerfed my self and run with 3 enhanced shield extenders one basic armor plate and a basic shield refresher. militia equipment in all equip slots and an exile assault rifle. I am in the top three every match and generally in the top 3 on the leader board. Did i need to nerf my self so hard? no. but after the changes what room I have left will be gravy. Learn to play your class you can't have everything.
Paran Tadec Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 1246	Posted - 2013.07.26 02:18:00 - [26] - Quote Because it till has a ton of low slots compared to the others.
Atticus Wolf ROGUE SPADES EoN. 22	Posted - 2013.07.26 05:38:00 - [27] - Quote Let us take a look at all of the classes cpu for all logi suits including the new stats shall we Amarr std : 195 Gallente std: 195 Minmatar std: 195 Caldari std: 175 Amarr adv : 273 Gallente adv: 273 Minmatar avd: 273 Caldari adv: 245 Amarr pro: 390 Gallente pro:390 Minmatar pro: 390 Caldari pro: 350 ??? I looked at the hp for all and they all have 270hp except amarr with 300 Equipment/high/low slots are all comparable except amarr which is getting a sidearm buff I just do not understand this cut to CPU?? When I play my logi I DO play logi, my k/d is not great when I do but usually my wp make up for it....why ccp, you are hurting true logi's with this and leaving the others logi's untouched
Atticus Wolf ROGUE SPADES EoN. 22	Posted - 2013.07.26 05:46:00 - [28] - Quote We are 138 wrote: hush OP, as a callogi myself try being a logi and not an assault. I have pre-nerfed my self and run with 3 enhanced shield extenders one basic armor plate and a basic shield refresher. militia equipment in all equip slots and an exile assault rifle. I am in the top three every match and generally in the top 3 on the leader board. Did i need to nerf my self so hard? no. but after the changes what room I have left will be gravy. Learn to play your class you can't have everything. Well good for you except I don't like to die easily which logi's shouldn't have to. I run an injector/ hives/ and uplink so yes I do play as logi. I have yet to hear a solid reason why these suits need a CPU nerf... Even the proto level one.
ZDub 303 TeamPlayers EoN. 1263	Posted - 2013.07.26 05:46:00 - [29] - Quote yup... cal logi will still be the most combat effective just cause shields > armor. but once armor is fixed.. that CPU reduction will just hurt... and make min logi a much better logissault choice imo. Gotta wait and see what these bonuses are first though before making any 'informed decisions' lol.
ZDub 303 TeamPlayers EoN. 1263	Posted - 2013.07.26 05:50:00 - [30] - Quote Atticus Wolf wrote: Well good for you except I don't like to die easily which logi's shouldn't have to. I run an injector/ hives/ and uplink so yes I do play as logi. I have yet to hear a solid reason why these suits need a CPU nerf... Even the proto level one. We need to pay for our sins. and it makes all of the people who didn't spec into cal logi feel better lol. What do you do though.. adapt or quit. We've got so many nerfs and buffs ahead of us still... its not even worth stressing over anymore. I've pretty much taken Pyrex's advice in his latest video... if you are really stressed about these changes... probably time to step back and stop giving a damn. btw... oceania afk farming is perfect for finishing up electronics 5 while you have all your fittings invalid lol.

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