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Vicious Minotaur
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
112
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Posted - 2013.07.25 20:40:00 -
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I have a Gallente alt... that I no longer use because armour is not that good. More often than not, I'll go around 5:4. And yet, on that same Gallente character, I can go 10:1 with an intentionally gimped militia Caldari Medium Frame.
I guess I'll just have to sink millions of SP into armour, Gallente Med frame suits, and core skills just to make that character viable.... |
Alldin Kan
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
440
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Posted - 2013.07.25 20:46:00 -
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WhataguyTTU wrote:Lol alldin how can you lose 1v1s anyway when you love to rep yourself from your logi lav? Its still better then running folks over so kinda a +1 for you.
Also, figured it out btw, It's no longer a secret anymore! (^ m ^)
Blasphemy. |
Cosgar
ParagonX
3188
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Posted - 2013.07.25 20:46:00 -
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Even though armor tanking under performs compared to shields, it has huge advantages if you know what you're doing. Shield tanking suits tend to be self sustained, able to traverse the map with little downtime between encounters. Armor is better at holding down positions, brawling, and can be nearly invincible with a good logi in your squad.
Armor can be OP, but people haven't caught on how to use it yet. |
Alldin Kan
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
440
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Posted - 2013.07.25 20:54:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:Even though armor tanking under performs compared to shields, it has huge advantages if you know what you're doing. Shield tanking suits tend to be self sustained, able to traverse the map with little downtime between encounters. Armor is better at holding down positions, brawling, and can be nearly invincible with a good logi in your squad.
Armor can be OP, but people haven't caught on how to use it yet.
It requires effort, something the needs shields never need. Just look at Regnyum's early fits Caldari fits, all that was needed was Shield Extender/Regulator skills, and the AR. |
Bad Trojan
ANGERBUILT
1
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Posted - 2013.07.25 20:57:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:Even though armor tanking under performs compared to shields, it has huge advantages if you know what you're doing. Shield tanking suits tend to be self sustained, able to traverse the map with little downtime between encounters. Armor is better at holding down positions, brawling, and can be nearly invincible with a good logi in your squad.
Armor can be OP, but people haven't caught on how to use it yet. M 1 locus clear out this scum |
BL4CKST4R
WarRavens League of Infamy
844
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Posted - 2013.07.25 21:07:00 -
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Alldin Kan wrote:Gallente Assault is not UP, without the presence of explosives and HMG I really don't see how this suit can be beaten in a 1v1. With 500+ Armor and a healing Nanohive, this suit is able to withstand heavy fire, the only thing missing is more people carrying ADV or PRO repair tools. Why is the Assault GK.0 rarely seen in pub matches? This thing absorbs damage from AR and Scrambler Rifle -_-
Because a suit with 600 shields and higher repair, even with extra damage against it technicslly absorbs more damage. You are probably just very skilled or very lucky, the suit is like paper. Honestly if you didn't have that hive, or a player was smart enough to destroy it those numbers would of been a lot different. |
Cosgar
ParagonX
3190
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Posted - 2013.07.25 21:16:00 -
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Alldin Kan wrote:It requires effort, something the needs shields never need. Just look at Regnyum's early fits Caldari fits, all that was needed was Shield Extender/Regulator skills, and the AR. Player skill < Raw Power
Shields are easy mode, but armor can be more satisfying. There's a shield > armor gap in EVE but armor still gets the job done because it has more options like resistance tanking and the like. Real men armor tank.
Bad Trojan wrote:M 1 locus clear out this scum Assuming a well organized squad lets you get close. I've run a setup with triage hives in some ambushes and it took an orbital to finally wipe us out. |
FATPrincess - XOXO
Shining Flame Amarr Empire
287
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Posted - 2013.07.25 21:17:00 -
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Congratulations on your pubstomp. Now try the same going solo.
-XOXO |
Alldin Kan
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
441
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Posted - 2013.07.25 21:26:00 -
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FATPrincess - XOXO wrote:Congratulations on your pubstomp. Now try the same going solo.
-XOXO
It was... |
Canari Elphus
Pro Hic Immortalis League of Infamy
237
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Posted - 2013.07.25 21:38:00 -
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Alldin Kan wrote:FATPrincess - XOXO wrote:Congratulations on your pubstomp. Now try the same going solo.
-XOXO It was... I even got 4455 WP on the 66-2 match :P
I can verify that he was running solo, with a Krin ;)
BTW - we laughed our arses off at the sheer absurdity when we first saw your LLAV trick. +1 for figuring that one out. |
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Killar-12
Intrepidus XI EoN.
333
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Posted - 2013.07.25 22:02:00 -
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Alldin Kan wrote:Gallente Assault is not UP, without the presence of explosives and HMG I really don't see how this suit can be beaten in a 1v1. With 500+ Armor and a healing Nanohive, this suit is able to withstand heavy fire, the only thing missing is more people carrying ADV or PRO repair tools. Why is the Assault GK.0 rarely seen in pub matches? This thing absorbs damage from AR and Scrambler Rifle -_- Well the GK.0 isn't OP but armor tanking is not any where near as effective as shield tanking, just fix movement penalties and make armor plates increase at the same rate as shield extenders. |
Tank Gorillarape
PiZzA DuDeS
22
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Posted - 2013.07.25 22:04:00 -
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Because everyone uses flaylocks and mass drivers and explosives... |
Sephirian Fair
Seraphim Auxiliaries
90
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Posted - 2013.07.25 22:13:00 -
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FATPrincess - XOXO wrote:Congratulations on your pubstomp. Now try the same going solo.
-XOXO
Alldin is probably one of the few elite players that solos as much, if not more than he squads up. When the Imperfects were still around, he was the ONLY one I ever saw that ever ran a match solo. He's a pure and total beast. But as someone mentioned before, he could probably pull near those scores with anything... He would regularly get 25+ kills in an OMS using an SMG on a Logi suit. In Chromosome. |
Midas Fool
BetaMax Beta CRONOS.
56
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Posted - 2013.07.25 22:18:00 -
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Alldin Kan wrote:the only thing missing is more people carrying ADV or PRO repair tools.
This is the overall problem with everything in this game. Everyone wants to run everything solo.
Gallente suits are damn near invincible in a squad with one or two rep tools. In fact, lots of things reach much higher potentials when run with proper squads. |
Cy Clone1
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
160
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Posted - 2013.07.25 22:24:00 -
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Killar-12 wrote:Alldin Kan wrote:Gallente Assault is not UP, without the presence of explosives and HMG I really don't see how this suit can be beaten in a 1v1. With 500+ Armor and a healing Nanohive, this suit is able to withstand heavy fire, the only thing missing is more people carrying ADV or PRO repair tools. Why is the Assault GK.0 rarely seen in pub matches? This thing absorbs damage from AR and Scrambler Rifle -_- Well the GK.0 isn't OP but armor tanking is not any where near as effective as shield tanking, just fix movement penalties and make armor plates increase at the same rate as shield extenders.
it is as effective, but fills a different role. Shield based suits can be used solo, where as armor team based. A squad of armor suits, using rep nanohives, and repair tools is much stronger.
Shield suits have a potent weakness, the flux grenade. Armor have to deal with md, but a clip size reduction might fix that. |
GET ATMESON
NEW AGE EMPIRE
84
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Posted - 2013.07.25 22:25:00 -
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Alldin Kan wrote:Gallente Assault is not UP, without the presence of explosives and HMG I really don't see how this suit can be beaten in a 1v1. With 500+ Armor and a healing Nanohive, this suit is able to withstand heavy fire, the only thing missing is more people carrying ADV or PRO repair tools. Why is the Assault GK.0 rarely seen in pub matches? This thing absorbs damage from AR and Scrambler Rifle -_-
Here is how dust 514 works, The longer it takes from you to get from point A to point B the more damage your going to take. Now if you a heavy with 1,500 total HP movement speed is about 3.70 m/s sprint speed. You going to take alot of damage. Yea heavy's can guard something but it doesnt work when 3 players throw all contact nades at him.
Now if your an assault suit armor build. You can pick to have 500+ armor and no rep. 400+ armor for 6.50 armor rep. 350+ armor with 13 armor a second.
Now if you pick shields of a caldari logy. total HP 500+ shields return at base of 25 not including the energizer they have on. So shields have a advantage over armor. Why pick armor? |
Tank Gorillarape
PiZzA DuDeS
22
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Posted - 2013.07.25 22:29:00 -
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GET ATMESON wrote:Alldin Kan wrote:Gallente Assault is not UP, without the presence of explosives and HMG I really don't see how this suit can be beaten in a 1v1. With 500+ Armor and a healing Nanohive, this suit is able to withstand heavy fire, the only thing missing is more people carrying ADV or PRO repair tools. Why is the Assault GK.0 rarely seen in pub matches? This thing absorbs damage from AR and Scrambler Rifle -_- Here is how dust 514 works, The longer it takes from you to get from point A to point B the more damage your going to take. Now if you a heavy with 1,500 total HP movement speed is about 3.70 m/s sprint speed. You going to take alot of damage. Yea heavy's can guard something but it doesnt work when 3 players throw all contact nades at him. Now if your an assault suit armor build. You can pick to have 500+ armor and no rep. 400+ armor for 6.50 armor rep. 350+ armor with 13 armor a second. Now if you pick shields of a caldari logy. total HP 500+ shields return at base of 25 not including the energizer they have on. So shields have a advantage over armor. Why pick armor? base of 20 plus logi not logy, plus they are getting nerfed |
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