DUST Search - Future thoughts. Part 2: Future of aerial combat

Mobius Wyvern wrote:

Skybladev2 wrote:

Assembling aircrafts together

When all types of aircrafts will be deployed, air combat will look like this:

Fighters fight with individual infantry and dropships. They can damage heavy aircrafts as well, but must stay away of their anti-swarms.
Dropships deliver infantry over long or high distances and perform fire support over small areas. It can attack heavy aircrafts from above or drop infantry to its roof.
Heavy aircrafts working much like tanks in the sky, clearing large areas or ground vehicles/installations.

Future thoughts. Part 1: How Eve and Dust economies can merge

Personally, I think we need a solid distinction between two types of Light Aircraft.

Fighters and Gunships.

As you can see from the following concept art, the original vision in 2009 was for the Fighters to full both the Gunships and Fighter role by having a secondary player operate a gun turret that deployed when the aircraft hovered:

2006 Gallente Fighter Concept Art

However, this would lead to that second player being unable to do anything in the aircraft, and effectively completely useless until such point as the "hover" mode was activated, as you can see.

Conversely, if you look at the concept art shown during the 2013 FanFest CCP Presents! presentation, you will notice that the Caldari Fighter they showed looks like it was not designed with that same role in mind.

Caldari Fighter Landed
Caldari Fighter Airborne

This aircraft has more of the appearance of a dedicated fixed-wing "jet" aircraft, and what I had always envisioned Fighters to be. This also sets it up as a single-seater, meaning you don't have to pay off one of your Corpmates to get them to handle your turret on the rare occasion you switch to "hover mode".

With the idea of a hybrid aircraft off the table, which is really for the best, this still leaves open the space for a dedicated VTOL gunship. The Assault Dropship was a good step toward providing a more attack-oriented role for pilots, but it's still the equivalent of a Black Hawk with guns on the side, rather than something like an Apache Longbow.

This aircraft would be a two-seater, possibly feature some kind of unguided rocket launcher or other lower-damage weapon for the pilot to use that would require pointing the aircraft at the target, and then have a turret mounted underneath with a full 360 degrees of rotation that is managed by a gunner.

A good example of what I'm talking about can be seen in Battlefield 2142. The VTOL gunships have a somewhat weak rocket launcher that can be fired by the pilot, while the gunner has access to a rotary cannon mounted under the nose, and optically guided missiles.

This allowed those aircraft to be dangerous to both vehicles and infantry, while their lesser armor plating made them easier to shoot down if they didn't stay mobile.

Thus, a Gunship would pack far more firepower than an Assault Dropship, but have to rely more on staying mobile to avoid being shot down, which would be assisted by it being a Light Aircraft as opposed to a Medium one.

Bear in mind, this hinges on Dropships in general getting an HP buff at some point.

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Skybladev2 RUST 415 RUST415 9	Posted - 2013.07.25 19:39:00 - [1] - Quote Future thoughts. Part 1: How Eve and Dust economies can merge DISCLAIMER: This text is just my imagination partly based on official information. No one can prove that things go in way described here. Now there are 3 types of vehicles in Dust: Light attack vehicles (jeeps), Heavy attack vehicles (tanks) and Medium aerial vehicles (Dropships). Although first two types of vehicles found their places on a battlefield, the latter does not deliver much threat. It is hardly controlled, aiming is awful, has low and cost almost like tank. But despite these things it suits his role of medium aircraft relatively well. Light aircraft Light aircrafts were introduced at Eve Fanfest 2009, but still not presented in the game. LetGÇÖs think how it could be. Controls. Video clearly shows that fighterGÇÖs main operational mode is like airplane GÇô moving toward his nose. L1 will make it fly faster and L2 slower. So when it reaches zero velocity, his engines turn down to make altitude constant. This just like dropships hovering, but banking will not affect figherGÇÖs position in this mode. This makes landing a bit tricky, but fighters are not designed for landing at all. When you take off, automatics lifts you a bit to avoid earth scratch when start moving (as you can see on a video) Left stick will operate bank and roll, right pitch and yaw, just like dropships. Weapons. Light aircraft should have small turrets. It will have fixed turret point, meaning it shoots right where nose points. Adding high craft velocity it will be hard to make more than 1-2 missile shots at full speed, but slowing down can be dangerous, because even most tanked fighter should barely survive swarm volley. So they tactics should be always GÇ£hit and runGÇ¥. Battle role. Fighters will be an efficient aircraft to disturb enemy, especially slow ones, like tanks and dropships. Now this role belongs to logistics jeeps. It also can do pinpoint attacks to infantry if there is enough free air. So taking out snipers from roofs will be easier, because forge gunners will hardly protect them. Some words about forge guns. This weapon was designed as anti-vehicle weapon, but infantry weapon that makes more damage than tankGÇÖs large turrets? Oh no, this is designerGÇÖs fail. Ok, now we have light and medium aircrafts, time to tell about heavy ones. Heavy aircraft Appearance. Basically you can think about heavy aircraft as of giant quadrocopter with jet engines instead of propellers. Wait, we already have similar model in game! ItGÇÖs a drones that deliver vehicles to us! I always ask myself: how medium aircraft can bring another medium aircraft so easily? And now medium aircraft can bring heavy land vehicle so easily? This is wrong GÇô heavy aircrafts should deliver all types of land vehicles, light and medium aircrafts and arrive themselves when players call for heavy aircrafts. Controls. Much like non-assault dropships GÇô very slow banking to allow skidding in the air. There is no way to make a loop on heavy aircraft. Camera (and weapons) can see only at lower hemisphere with limited angles GÇô from 0 degrees at vertical to about -20 degrees below horizon. This will prevent from sniping at low altitude. Side view: http://i.imgur.com/CKVP0AB.png?1 Weapons. Heavy aircraft will have quite large crew GÇô 1 pilot and 4 gunners. No passengers GÇô use dropships for delivering clones. Pilot will operate large turret mounted right below the center of the aircraft. 4 gunners will cover corners of the ship with small turrets. Turret hardpoints will be located between each of four engines. Each turret will cover almost a quarter of a space around the ship, but leave 5-10 degrees of uncontrolled arcs, containing engines. Top view: http://i.imgur.com/8NoJYyc.png Heavy aircraft will be vulnerable from above, and not only because of absence of turrets. There will be reactor coolant shaft in the center, which is the most vulnerable point of a craft. Reactor itself located on the bottom of a shaft, so it is impossible to hit it directly. But infantry can drop onto craft roof and throw a grenade there, which cause massive damage. How a human will appear there? He can jump off the near building while heavy aircraft passing by or be dropped by dropship. Defence. So, heavy aircraft will be too vulnerable to dropships (and fighters, because they very fast and hard to aim), hence it will have and additional defence system GÇô anti-air swarm. It is fully automated system that launches swarm rockets when small or medium enemy aircraft reaches certain proximity. Maximum detect distance and rate of fire can be increased with skills, and rocket count per shoot depends on heavy aircraftGÇÖs meta level. Ground units can also make massive damage to heavy aircraft, so it has to be thicker, than HAV. Why? It cannot run from threat, like dropship of fighter It cannot hide from threat between obstacles like tank, because it clearly visible from every point of a map So it has to tank all incoming damage. Maybe we will see logistics dropships with remote reps, hovering over heavy aircraft, who knowsGÇª Battle role. Heavy aircraft is merely a tank in a sky GÇô slow, powerful and armored vehicle. It is easy target and cannot defend himself effectively, so it strongly requires support units. It cannot overpower a tank, but can deliver firepower to almost any point of the map.
Skybladev2 RUST 415 RUST415 9	Posted - 2013.07.25 19:39:00 - [2] - Quote Assembling aircrafts together When all types of aircrafts will be deployed, air combat will look like this: Fighters fight with individual infantry and dropships. They can damage heavy aircrafts as well, but must stay away of their anti-swarms. Dropships deliver infantry over long or high distances and perform fire support over small areas. It can attack heavy aircrafts from above or drop infantry to its roof. Heavy aircrafts working much like tanks in the sky, clearing large areas or ground vehicles/installations. Future thoughts. Part 1: How Eve and Dust economies can merge
Mobius Wyvern BetaMax. CRONOS. 2690	Posted - 2013.07.25 21:30:00 - [3] - Quote Skybladev2 wrote: Assembling aircrafts together When all types of aircrafts will be deployed, air combat will look like this: Fighters fight with individual infantry and dropships. They can damage heavy aircrafts as well, but must stay away of their anti-swarms. Dropships deliver infantry over long or high distances and perform fire support over small areas. It can attack heavy aircrafts from above or drop infantry to its roof. Heavy aircrafts working much like tanks in the sky, clearing large areas or ground vehicles/installations. Future thoughts. Part 1: How Eve and Dust economies can merge Personally, I think we need a solid distinction between two types of Light Aircraft. Fighters and Gunships. As you can see from the following concept art, the original vision in 2009 was for the Fighters to full both the Gunships and Fighter role by having a secondary player operate a gun turret that deployed when the aircraft hovered: 2006 Gallente Fighter Concept Art However, this would lead to that second player being unable to do anything in the aircraft, and effectively completely useless until such point as the "hover" mode was activated, as you can see. Conversely, if you look at the concept art shown during the 2013 FanFest CCP Presents! presentation, you will notice that the Caldari Fighter they showed looks like it was not designed with that same role in mind. Caldari Fighter Landed Caldari Fighter Airborne This aircraft has more of the appearance of a dedicated fixed-wing "jet" aircraft, and what I had always envisioned Fighters to be. This also sets it up as a single-seater, meaning you don't have to pay off one of your Corpmates to get them to handle your turret on the rare occasion you switch to "hover mode". With the idea of a hybrid aircraft off the table, which is really for the best, this still leaves open the space for a dedicated VTOL gunship. The Assault Dropship was a good step toward providing a more attack-oriented role for pilots, but it's still the equivalent of a Black Hawk with guns on the side, rather than something like an Apache Longbow. This aircraft would be a two-seater, possibly feature some kind of unguided rocket launcher or other lower-damage weapon for the pilot to use that would require pointing the aircraft at the target, and then have a turret mounted underneath with a full 360 degrees of rotation that is managed by a gunner. A good example of what I'm talking about can be seen in Battlefield 2142. The VTOL gunships have a somewhat weak rocket launcher that can be fired by the pilot, while the gunner has access to a rotary cannon mounted under the nose, and optically guided missiles. This allowed those aircraft to be dangerous to both vehicles and infantry, while their lesser armor plating made them easier to shoot down if they didn't stay mobile. Thus, a Gunship would pack far more firepower than an Assault Dropship, but have to rely more on staying mobile to avoid being shot down, which would be assisted by it being a Light Aircraft as opposed to a Medium one. Bear in mind, this hinges on Dropships in general getting an HP buff at some point.
Mobius Wyvern BetaMax. CRONOS. 2692	Posted - 2013.07.26 02:52:00 - [4] - Quote Wow, that kind of died. Have Dropships really done that much of a number on our pilots?
Meeko Fent Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 373	Posted - 2013.07.26 03:52:00 - [5] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: Wow, that kind of died. Have Dropships really done that much of a number on our pilots? Yes. Knowing what happened to Dropships, light and heavy aircraft are going to be paper airplanes and lead baloons respectively.
Mobius Wyvern BetaMax. CRONOS. 2693	Posted - 2013.07.26 03:58:00 - [6] - Quote Meeko Fent wrote: Mobius Wyvern wrote: Wow, that kind of died. Have Dropships really done that much of a number on our pilots? Yes. Knowing what happened to Dropships, light and heavy aircraft are going to be paper airplanes and lead baloons respectively. I'm confident that piloting will be far more rewarding with the scale of the rework they've been telling us we can expect.
Meeko Fent Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 373	Posted - 2013.07.26 04:05:00 - [7] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: Meeko Fent wrote: Mobius Wyvern wrote: Wow, that kind of died. Have Dropships really done that much of a number on our pilots? Yes. Knowing what happened to Dropships, light and heavy aircraft are going to be paper airplanes and lead baloons respectively. I'm confident that piloting will be far more rewarding with the scale of the rework they've been telling us we can expect. I hope so. I'm anxious to get my shield skills up so my Dropships can be fit for tank decently.
Mobius Wyvern BetaMax. CRONOS. 2694	Posted - 2013.07.26 11:58:00 - [8] - Quote Meeko Fent wrote: Mobius Wyvern wrote: Meeko Fent wrote: Mobius Wyvern wrote: Wow, that kind of died. Have Dropships really done that much of a number on our pilots? Yes. Knowing what happened to Dropships, light and heavy aircraft are going to be paper airplanes and lead baloons respectively. I'm confident that piloting will be far more rewarding with the scale of the rework they've been telling us we can expect. I hope so. I'm anxious to get my shield skills up so my Dropships can be fit for tank decently. My only block with them so far has been the controls. By that I mean the button layout, before someone comes in here thinking I want them to redo the handling or something. I've played Ace Combat for so many years that I can't get around trying to yaw with L2-R2.
Canari Elphus Pro Hic Immortalis League of Infamy 238	Posted - 2013.07.26 14:08:00 - [9] - Quote Good read, thanks OP. My thoughts on LAA are very similar to yours. LAA need to be speed tanked, not HP. They should barely be able to survive a forge or round of swarms. There should be no moveable turrets on them (trying to aim a turret at speed = lol) There will be two weapons that the pilot can switch between (front weapon and ordinance) The weapons will be classified as 'medium' as far as damage goes. Movement techniques - L2 - Air Break - R2 - Thrust - L1 - Weapon Cycle - L2 - Weapon Fire (lock on then fire for some weapons) - Left Stick - General movement - Right Stick - Yaw for tight banked turns (only L/R functionality) - VTOL is auto initiated when airspeed = 0 (good idea OP!) This would make mapping to a joystick/pedal setup easy Joystick - Left stick plus buttons for fire/switch etc Pedals - Right stick Throttle - L2/R2 Weapon Systems - Nose - This would be standard assortment we see today - Blaster - Anti aircraft or strafing for anti-infantry - Missles - Mostly anti-infantry - Railgun - Anti installation and anti-vehicle - Ordinance - This would be a new set of weapons but could be modeled off of what we have now and what is coming - Missiles - This could be patterned after Swarms. They have time to lock on and then fire. This works because the aircraft must have LOS for a set period of time to lock on which means they are flying in a set path and could be vulnerable to fire. They will do a little more damage than proto swarms (remember, the jet is always moving so they cant camp a target like an infantry with swarms can) and skilling them up only increases damage a bit but increases the number fired (and extra skill would be reducing lock on time). One way to make this fair would be to have specialized missiles that have a decent skew towards shield or armor. - Bombs - These would be dumbfire weapons with AOE damage. It will need a good bit of physics because the trajectory will be based off of speed angle and yaw. They should be somewhat powerful as they are dumbfire and aiming them should require skill. They could easily fly off course so it would require the aircraft to be moving slowly or low which makes it a much easier target to hit. Possible variations on bombs would be an ECM (disrupts HUD, turrets and installations for a set period of time) and a Flux bomb (larger blast radius and takes out shields and deployed equipment but no damage to armor) Having missiles and bombs be specific means that the aircraft would not be solo monsters and still require a team effort. They could kill on their own but it promotes strategy, communication and tactics to truly shine. Thoughts?
Meeko Fent Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 374	Posted - 2013.07.26 14:48:00 - [10] - Quote Canari Elphus wrote: Good read, thanks OP. My thoughts on LAA are very similar to yours. LAA need to be speed tanked, not HP. They should barely be able to survive a forge or round of swarms. There should be no moveable turrets on them (trying to aim a turret at speed = lol) There will be two weapons that the pilot can switch between (front weapon and ordinance) The weapons will be classified as 'medium' as far as damage goes. Movement techniques - L2 - Air Break - R2 - Thrust - L1 - Weapon Cycle - L2 - Weapon Fire (lock on then fire for some weapons) - Left Stick - General movement - Right Stick - Yaw for tight banked turns (only L/R functionality) - VTOL is auto initiated when airspeed = 0 (good idea OP!) This would make mapping to a joystick/pedal setup easy Joystick - Left stick plus buttons for fire/switch etc Pedals - Right stick Throttle - L2/R2 Weapon Systems - Nose - This would be standard assortment we see today - Blaster - Anti aircraft or strafing for anti-infantry - Missles - Mostly anti-infantry - Railgun - Anti installation and anti-vehicle - Ordinance - This would be a new set of weapons but could be modeled off of what we have now and what is coming - Missiles - This could be patterned after Swarms. They have time to lock on and then fire. This works because the aircraft must have LOS for a set period of time to lock on which means they are flying in a set path and could be vulnerable to fire. They will do a little more damage than proto swarms (remember, the jet is always moving so they cant camp a target like an infantry with swarms can) and skilling them up only increases damage a bit but increases the number fired (and extra skill would be reducing lock on time). One way to make this fair would be to have specialized missiles that have a decent skew towards shield or armor. - Bombs - These would be dumbfire weapons with AOE damage. It will need a good bit of physics because the trajectory will be based off of speed angle and yaw. They should be somewhat powerful as they are dumbfire and aiming them should require skill. They could easily fly off course so it would require the aircraft to be moving slowly or low which makes it a much easier target to hit. Possible variations on bombs would be an ECM (disrupts HUD, turrets and installations for a set period of time) and a Flux bomb (larger blast radius and takes out shields and deployed equipment but no damage to armor) Having missiles and bombs be specific means that the aircraft would not be solo monsters and still require a team effort. They could kill on their own but it promotes strategy, communication and tactics to truly shine. Thoughts? Cookie for you.

Mobius Wyvern BetaMax. CRONOS. 2705	Posted - 2013.07.26 21:23:00 - [11] - Quote Canari Elphus wrote: Good read, thanks OP. My thoughts on LAA are very similar to yours. LAA need to be speed tanked, not HP. They should barely be able to survive a forge or round of swarms. There should be no moveable turrets on them (trying to aim a turret at speed = lol) There will be two weapons that the pilot can switch between (front weapon and ordinance) The weapons will be classified as 'medium' as far as damage goes. Movement techniques - L2 - Air Break - R2 - Thrust - L1 - Weapon Cycle - L2 - Weapon Fire (lock on then fire for some weapons) - Left Stick - General movement - Right Stick - Yaw for tight banked turns (only L/R functionality) - VTOL is auto initiated when airspeed = 0 (good idea OP!) This would make mapping to a joystick/pedal setup easy Joystick - Left stick plus buttons for fire/switch etc Pedals - Right stick Throttle - L2/R2 Weapon Systems - Nose - This would be standard assortment we see today - Blaster - Anti aircraft or strafing for anti-infantry - Missles - Mostly anti-infantry - Railgun - Anti installation and anti-vehicle - Ordinance - This would be a new set of weapons but could be modeled off of what we have now and what is coming - Missiles - This could be patterned after Swarms. They have time to lock on and then fire. This works because the aircraft must have LOS for a set period of time to lock on which means they are flying in a set path and could be vulnerable to fire. They will do a little more damage than proto swarms (remember, the jet is always moving so they cant camp a target like an infantry with swarms can) and skilling them up only increases damage a bit but increases the number fired (and extra skill would be reducing lock on time). One way to make this fair would be to have specialized missiles that have a decent skew towards shield or armor. - Bombs - These would be dumbfire weapons with AOE damage. It will need a good bit of physics because the trajectory will be based off of speed angle and yaw. They should be somewhat powerful as they are dumbfire and aiming them should require skill. They could easily fly off course so it would require the aircraft to be moving slowly or low which makes it a much easier target to hit. Possible variations on bombs would be an ECM (disrupts HUD, turrets and installations for a set period of time) and a Flux bomb (larger blast radius and takes out shields and deployed equipment but no damage to armor) Having missiles and bombs be specific means that the aircraft would not be solo monsters and still require a team effort. They could kill on their own but it promotes strategy, communication and tactics to truly shine. Thoughts? I like your weapon suggestions! We've had confirmation since last year that custom keybinds on all control methods are "coming eventually", so that should handle any issues with control.
Aizen Intiki Ghost Wolf Industries Alpha Wolf Pack 247	Posted - 2013.07.26 21:55:00 - [12] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: Skybladev2 wrote: Assembling aircrafts together When all types of aircrafts will be deployed, air combat will look like this: Fighters fight with individual infantry and dropships. They can damage heavy aircrafts as well, but must stay away of their anti-swarms. Dropships deliver infantry over long or high distances and perform fire support over small areas. It can attack heavy aircrafts from above or drop infantry to its roof. Heavy aircrafts working much like tanks in the sky, clearing large areas or ground vehicles/installations. Future thoughts. Part 1: How Eve and Dust economies can merge Personally, I think we need a solid distinction between two types of Light Aircraft. Fighters and Gunships. As you can see from the following concept art, the original vision in 2009 was for the Fighters to full both the Gunships and Fighter role by having a secondary player operate a gun turret that deployed when the aircraft hovered: 2006 Gallente Fighter Concept Art However, this would lead to that second player being unable to do anything in the aircraft, and effectively completely useless until such point as the "hover" mode was activated, as you can see. Conversely, if you look at the concept art shown during the 2013 FanFest CCP Presents! presentation, you will notice that the Caldari Fighter they showed looks like it was not designed with that same role in mind. Caldari Fighter Landed Caldari Fighter Airborne This aircraft has more of the appearance of a dedicated fixed-wing "jet" aircraft, and what I had always envisioned Fighters to be. This also sets it up as a single-seater, meaning you don't have to pay off one of your Corpmates to get them to handle your turret on the rare occasion you switch to "hover mode". With the idea of a hybrid aircraft off the table, which is really for the best, this still leaves open the space for a dedicated VTOL gunship. The Assault Dropship was a good step toward providing a more attack-oriented role for pilots, but it's still the equivalent of a Black Hawk with guns on the side, rather than something like an Apache Longbow. This aircraft would be a two-seater, possibly feature some kind of unguided rocket launcher or other lower-damage weapon for the pilot to use that would require pointing the aircraft at the target, and then have a turret mounted underneath with a full 360 degrees of rotation that is managed by a gunner. A good example of what I'm talking about can be seen in Battlefield 2142. The VTOL gunships have a somewhat weak rocket launcher that can be fired by the pilot, while the gunner has access to a rotary cannon mounted under the nose, and optically guided missiles. This allowed those aircraft to be dangerous to both vehicles and infantry, while their lesser armor plating made them easier to shoot down if they didn't stay mobile. Thus, a Gunship would pack far more firepower than an Assault Dropship, but have to rely more on staying mobile to avoid being shot down, which would be assisted by it being a Light Aircraft as opposed to a Medium one. Bear in mind, this hinges on Dropships in general getting an HP buff at some point. The Gallente fighter design is still there. Hey, they don't have to have the exact same function; that would be lame.....
Aero Yassavi PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 813	Posted - 2013.07.26 22:19:00 - [13] - Quote The cockpit view could use a lot of work as well.
Mobius Wyvern BetaMax. CRONOS. 2712	Posted - 2013.07.27 02:41:00 - [14] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: The cockpit view could use a lot of work as well. HELL yes. We'll need a fully unobstructed view to the front, and ideally a free-look function for ALL aerial vehicles. Right now you pretty much can't fly properly in first person with that narrow-ass forward view and no ability to look around. Aizen Intiki wrote: The Gallente fighter design is still there. Hey, they don't have to have the exact same function; that would be lame..... That it would be. As lame as those half-and-half aircraft Planetside 2 has that try to be both and fail horribly.
Fire of Prometheus Solaris Space Marines 47	Posted - 2013.07.27 03:45:00 - [15] - Quote These ideas in this thread are great, seriously.....ccp should take a look at this, personally I can't wait to see what the amarr fighter will look like, seeing as the Caldari looks flipping awesome!!!!
R-E-S-B 26-3 LATINOS KILLERS CORP Amenaza Inminente 0	Posted - 2013.07.27 04:02:00 - [16] - Quote Una idea muy buena seria que implementaran naves ligeras que despegaran como las medianas del juego, pero, estas podr+¡an estar equipadas con "lanza misiles m+¦ltiple" guiados de larga distancia , que aria la funci+¦n como la de un A-10, de hacer pasadas de ataque sobre el enemigo. No necesariamente tiene que tener mucho blindaje y escudo, pero si mucha velocidad y maniobrabilidad de vuelo
Skybladev2 RUST 415 RUST415 20	Posted - 2013.07.28 17:38:00 - [17] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: Personally, I think we need a solid distinction between two types of Light Aircraft. Fighters and Gunships. If use such kind of distinction, I think Fighters need to be light aircrafts, Gunships - medium (as it very close to existing Assault dropships) and Dropships became heavy aircrafts (with more EHP, of course). This will save existing HUD icons. Canari Elphus wrote: Good read, thanks OP. - Bombs - These would be dumbfire weapons with AOE damage. Yes, I want them too if there will be no other interesting changes, but I think bombs can be 2-in-1. When you drop it, it falls like a solid piece. Detonation is condensed at minimal volume. This is good option for maximizing damage to turrets and tanks. If you feel, that you a missing a target, you can press drop button again and bomb will became cassette bomb in the air, thus covering wider area, but lowering damage per m2.
Mobius Wyvern BetaMax. CRONOS. 2731	Posted - 2013.07.29 03:52:00 - [18] - Quote Skybladev2 wrote: Mobius Wyvern wrote: Personally, I think we need a solid distinction between two types of Light Aircraft. Fighters and Gunships. If use such kind of distinction, I think Fighters need to be light aircrafts, Gunships - medium (as it very close to existing Assault dropships) and Dropships became heavy aircrafts (with more EHP, of course). This will save existing HUD icons. Canari Elphus wrote: Good read, thanks OP. - Bombs - These would be dumbfire weapons with AOE damage. Yes, I want them too if there will be no other interesting changes, but I think bombs can be 2-in-1. When you drop it, it falls like a solid piece. Detonation is condensed at minimal volume. This is good option for maximizing damage to turrets and tanks. If you feel, that you a missing a target, you can press drop button again and bomb will became cassette bomb in the air, thus covering wider area, but lowering damage per m2. I don't think there's any issue with multiple vehicles using the same icon. That's inevitable anyway considering that Speeders are obviously going to be Light vehicles just like LAVs are.


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