Well despite the OP obviously thinking that the lower the ROF number the higher the ROF (which is wrong).....he has struck on a point of significance.

MD needs to be rebalanced.

My problem is mass drivers are the new faylock an I'm not asking to nerf it but at least make the shotgun work, it's been totally f..d since everyone died in chrome so hit detection sucks, range sucks, an no damage to proficiency when every other exploding weapon in the game shoots faster with tons of damage it has no balance

Well despite the OP obviously thinking that the lower the ROF number the higher the ROF (which is wrong).....he has struck on a point of significance.

MD needs to be rebalanced.

Thats with a direct impact, which is near impossible to hit on a moving target that is more than 20 meters away

A core mass driver is 372.7 damage without mods
It's rate of fire is 46.2!!!!!!!!!!!!

A duvolle shotgun is 44.0 damage/per pellet of the round
An get this.....
Rate of fire is 85.7!!!!!!! WTF

a mass driver proficiency gives damage 3% per level that means 428.2 DAMAGE WITHOUT MODS
Tha sg proficiency isn't even damage it's 3% reduction to rof
Means the fastest it will shoot is 72.8

DOES THIS MAKE SENSE TO ANYONE?!

Ccp fix my shot gun this is stupid!

A core mass driver is 372.7 damage without mods
It's rate of fire is 46.2!!!!!!!!!!!!

A duvolle shotgun is 44.0 damage
An get this.....
Rate of fire is 85.7!!!!!!! WTF

a mass driver proficiency gives damage 3% per level that means 428.2 DAMAGE WITHOUT MODS
Tha sg proficiency isn't even damage it's 3% reduction to rof
Means the fastest it will shoot is 72.8

DOES THIS MAKE SENSE TO ANYONE?!

Ccp fix my shot gun this is stupid!

Thats with a direct impact, which is near impossible to hit on a moving target that is more than 20 meters away

Still makes no sense, the distance on a sg has been totally nerfed and to spend millions of points just to bring the rof down to 72 when a maxed out mass driver can pin you down from range an shoot 2 rounds to your one!
Everybody flipped on how fast a fayloc could spam shots, you mean to tell me in the future a grenade launcher shooting huge grenades fires faster than a shotgun?

Na makes no sense.
The skills to a shotgun have been made obsolete due to the tweaking of other weapons, an this post is not to nerf other weapons but more so to have the sg looked at again.

The operation tightens the spread per level, the proficiency increases rof, while every other weapon in the game receives a damage bonus.
So now you basically have a slug that is deadly if you get a guy two feet away in the back of the head; better off using my knives at least their silent!

If I have to get to nova knive distance an attack as if I had nova knives to be effective; wouldn't I just use nova knives?
With the strafe speed so high you have a better chance not leveling up your sg an keeping the spead really wide, since the sp dump into proficiency basically means your shooting a slug with a 72 rof instead of 85 all for a total cost of oh say close to 3 million sp; to what, have a guy slightly move to the left an hit your feet with 2 shots fro
A mass driver in the amount of time it takes me to fire one more round?

Come on those are crappy stats an odds considering strafing speeds , it makes the gun mostly only useful from behind, a side arm is more effective than this weapon face to face.
Sg stats an hit detection need a second look

You'd be surprised by the deceptively long range the breach SG has. It really reaches out and touches people.

ate my post. rewriting...done.

You seem to misunderstand what the RoF actually displays.

Just for reference the AR has a RoF of 750. Now by your understanding it should be almost 10 times slower than the SG. Now is it? Of course not.

The RoF displays shots per minute. That's 85.7 shots per minute that your SG fires compared to the MDs 46.2. Note which one of those two is actually almost twice as fast as the other. It's not the MD but the SG.

Next calculating the skill bonus we just increase the RoF by 3% per level:

85.7*1.15=98,555

There. I'm not going to engage in the balance discussion as i don't currently have a problem with either. Just wanted to make a few things clearer.

You can discuss balance once you figure out how to calculate and apply bonuses. Until then, keep your thoughts to yourself.

The SG is perhaps the best counter to the MD. I can confirm that I'm killed by damped SG scouts more than nearly anything else.

Hit detection issues aside, the SG is working well as is. It's a CQB flanking weapon. Not a shoot across the map OHK machine.

You really think so? I thought it had the range of a assault rifle.
Oh btw read the part in the skill that says REDUCTION TO RATE OF FIRE BY 3 %
anyway I think the bonuses on the gun need a fix, I could care less about your stupid noob weapon it was just a example

It decreases the time between shots

the AR number is high because it's a automatic weapon no?

KNOW WHAT YOUR TALKING ABOUT BEFORE TRYING TO MAKE SOMEONE LOOK DUMB

Correct. That's why the RoF goes up, not down.No. It's because that's how fast it can fire. Wether or not it's automatic is irrelevant to this metric just as the lost time due to reloads is. The Displayed RoF of the SG for example would not change a bit even if it had a one minute reload time per shell.

I totally agree. But why then are you insulting me for politely pointing out a flaw in your understanding of relevant gameplay mechanics and the display thereof?