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Forlorn Destrier
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Posted - 2013.07.24 20:46:00 -
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All,
I respect the work that our CPM has done for the community. They stepped up on short notice and helped facilitate the move from beta to release. They were a great face to have out there at FanFest.
That said, it is now time for CCP to hold a proper election for our representatives so that we can chose the face of Dust514's great player base.
I hearby create this thread as an open petition to CCP to hold official elections. Please sign if you agree.
Thanks,
Forlorn Destrier
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Posted - 2013.07.24 20:49:00 -
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Let me just add, I see no reason the current CPM should not be allowed to run if they want to continue in their roles. |
Forlorn Destrier
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Posted - 2013.07.24 20:54:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:::facepalm::
Come back this time next year, and maybe we'll be ready. This community is in no way shape or form ready to make a collective, informed decision on who actually has not only the ability, but the drive and desire to do what the CPM does.
Thankfully you don't have to worry about pulling out early, cuz I doubt you'll even get in :/
I have no desire to run.
Also, it is time. They can serve an abbreviated term, but I would like to have people representing me that I trust, and no offense but there are members of the CPM now that I have no trust for.
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Forlorn Destrier
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Posted - 2013.07.24 21:03:00 -
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Django Quik wrote:The CPM isn't even set up yet - they're still trying to create a proper working relationship with CCP. Anyone new to the CPM would only hinder these efforts because they'd have no idea what they're getting into. We don't need proper representation yet because they don't have any way to represent us. Read some of Hans' CPM activity reports to get a better idea of what you're talking about before you start suggesting things nobody is actually ready for. Here's the link: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=915156#post915156
This is a more appropriate response; that said, I personally don't think the current CPM is capable of "creating a proper working relationship with CCP". Some of the members are ok, but I don't trust most of them. Just my opinion of course. |
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Posted - 2013.07.24 21:14:00 -
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Django Quik wrote:Forlorn Destrier wrote:Django Quik wrote:The CPM isn't even set up yet - they're still trying to create a proper working relationship with CCP. Anyone new to the CPM would only hinder these efforts because they'd have no idea what they're getting into. We don't need proper representation yet because they don't have any way to represent us. Read some of Hans' CPM activity reports to get a better idea of what you're talking about before you start suggesting things nobody is actually ready for. Here's the link: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=915156#post915156 This is a more appropriate response; that said, I personally don't think the current CPM is capable of "creating a proper working relationship with CCP". Some of the members are ok, but I don't trust most of them. Just my opinion of course. It doesn't matter if you trust them or not - they're not doing this for you; they're doing it for future CPMs. The fact is they are all capable of doing it, especially Hans with his previous CSM experience - this is probably the only CPM we'll ever have that has no members who are 'dead weight'.
To you it's a "fact" that they can. To me, it's an opinion, and I don't share the opinion.
Thanks for your input (which is constructive and the reason I started the thread).
As for dead weight, there is dead weight in the current CPM in myopinion (which I am entitled to); I'm trying to be polite and not call them out. I'd just rather if the community be able to decide for themselves who is our representation; if the community votes in someone I don't like, I can accept it more easily. |
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Posted - 2013.07.24 21:29:00 -
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Django Quik wrote:Forlorn Destrier wrote:As for dead weight, there is dead weight in the current CPM in myopinion (which I am entitled to); I'm trying to be polite and not call them out. I'd just rather if the community be able to decide for themselves who is our representation; if the community votes in someone I don't like, I can accept it more easily. Just because you don't see what they're doing, it doesn't mean they're doing nothing. Read the reports and you'll get a better idea because this CPM is not so much about being the community's monkeys like you sound like you want them to be but doing a lot of talking with CPM behind the scenes to get everything set up. Hell, they don't even know who all the teams are or what they're all working on yet. You think anyone else could do that? What will anyone else do? Jumping up and down and saying the community wants (insert whatever cause you think is important and currently unrepresented) won't get anywhere because they won't know who to be talking to. You should go look through the history of the CSM and see what real dead weight looks like.
No offense, but you are assuming that I don't watch what they are doing, and read the threads. With respect, my conclusions are different. If no one signs the petition, that's fine. It doesn't bother me.
That said, I don't think I'm the only one that feels this way. I am happy with some of them, but not with others. That is my opinion, and your opinion won't change mine. Just as mine won't change yours.
The purpose of this is to see how many others (if any) agree with me. You have made your point, and are welcome to your opinions.
Thank you for keeping my thread relevant and allowing the debate. |
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Posted - 2013.07.24 21:40:00 -
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Jason Punk wrote:Nah, while I always enjoy bumping heads with Fiend, he's absolutely right. Hate em or love em, they got to run their course and establish a solid precedent for the next round of CPM. The worst thing to do right now would be to pushing "reset" on leadership. If Bernanke just up and left halfway through QE1 or 2, it would have been a shitstorm. Salvageable, but a shitstorm regardless.
In fact, I fear that might already be realized if Larino is stepping down (or already has). I sincerely hope it's a false alarm as he's a smart guy and always understood the for what he wanted it to be, but if so I wish him all the best for both the him and the game.
How exactly do you think people learn how to lead or establish relationships? It takes time son; Trial and Error
I don't think this is the right method to learn to lead or establish relationships, though it is better than others.
Oh, and don't call me "son". My father passed away a few years ago (and while you have no way of knowing that), I think it's disrespectful to his memory. Thanks for understanding.
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