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Trial Mix
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.07.24 20:20:00 -
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No ringing for Indy corps, no more cafe speed plains running eon. Ringers in matches vs Latino killers corp and the like. This must stop people.
And if you can't abide the higher law (absolute last resort)
than ringers must be an alt with less sp or the ringer must only field advanced Suits. If they use an alt they won't have as much sp, if they field advanced on their main, they will have to use superior skill vs these Indy corps.
Yeh or Nay? |
Trial Mix
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.07.24 20:21:00 -
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Yes I realize I messed up my name. |
The dark cloud
Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS.
1755
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Posted - 2013.07.24 21:07:00 -
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Random guy tells vets what to do. Sure why not jump in a circle around. |
MlDDLE MANGEMENT
lMPurity
200
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Posted - 2013.07.24 21:16:00 -
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Dont ask vets for ringers, or get ringers from other indie corps i guess. |
Trial Mix
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.07.24 21:17:00 -
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Just a plea, a petition. Sorry if it seems like I own the place, but I feel discouraged from participating and figured I'd try to help solve a potential problem. Sorry? |
Trial Mix
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.07.24 21:24:00 -
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MlDDLE MANGEMENT wrote:Dont ask vets for ringers, or get ringers from other indie corps i guess.
That's what I'd like. But since the number of vets grows slim and areole likely to visit the forums I figured its easier to petition them than to ask all the indie corps to not use big OP ringers in indie fights trying to get GUD so we can one day give the vets a challenge. We're here, we just need you to stop discouraging us with Rolf stomps where we get redlined and killed over and over again each time someone attacks. I get people want merging to be all big but this is a more pressing problem.
So when Neanderthal nation gets attacked, no bringing huge massive sp players like Cody kole or Marston, or make them bring alts or advanced suits only, it's a worthy idea. |
Fiddlestaxp
TeamPlayers EoN.
260
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Posted - 2013.07.24 21:29:00 -
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We advise our players not to ring for attacks on indie corps. Defenses against attacks from Established Corps are 100% legit and defenses against attacks from other indies is a judgment call. We aren't going to tell one of our players that they can't help their friend or makes some loot.
That being said, CSP is in EoN. proper and I ALWAYS see LKC in LAVs. Only tactic that I like less than mass core flaylock is LAV spam bullfighting-bull****. I find no issue in someone stomping that tactic out of PC. |
Zhar Ptitsaa
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
119
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Posted - 2013.07.24 21:31:00 -
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Up to the individual corp tbh, if they wanna ring from vet corps against other indies, shows they don't have much faith in themselves and will probably just go nowhere.
Just my opinion tho. |
Trial Mix
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.07.24 21:34:00 -
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Fiddlestaxp wrote:We advise our players not to ring for attacks on indie corps. Defenses against attacks from Established Corps are 100% legit and defenses against attacks from other indies is a judgment call. We aren't going to tell one of our players that they can't help their friend or makes some loot.
That being said, CSP is in EoN. proper and I ALWAYS see LKC in LAVs. Only tactic that I like less than mass core flaylock is LAV spam bullfighting-bull****. I find no issue in someone stomping that tactic out of PC.
Read the post. No one is asking you not to ring for a friend. Comment on the merits of the OP.
If you justify the current behaviors by saying oh we try but it's their call them your apathy will contribute to the death of the game and the death of any future competition. |
ReGnYuM
TeamPlayers EoN.
568
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Posted - 2013.07.24 21:58:00 -
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How about you pay me not to ring.
PC games pay out much more therefore I will ring for anyone. |
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Fiddlestaxp
TeamPlayers EoN.
260
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Posted - 2013.07.24 22:14:00 -
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Trial Mix wrote:Fiddlestaxp wrote:We advise our players not to ring for attacks on indie corps. Defenses against attacks from Established Corps are 100% legit and defenses against attacks from other indies is a judgment call. We aren't going to tell one of our players that they can't help their friend or makes some loot.
That being said, CSP is in EoN. proper and I ALWAYS see LKC in LAVs. Only tactic that I like less than mass core flaylock is LAV spam bullfighting-bull****. I find no issue in someone stomping that tactic out of PC. Read the post. No one is asking you not to ring for a friend. Comment on the merits of the OP. If you justify the current behaviors by saying oh we try but it's their call them your apathy will contribute to the death of the game and the death of any future competition. I guess I didn't directly respond to your OP. It was more of a side statement of what most corps already have in place right now. But to respond directly to it... If that is what you came up with for a solution, then no.
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Trial Mix
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.07.24 22:21:00 -
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ReGnYuM wrote:How about you pay me not to ring.
PC games pay out much more therefore I will ring for anyone.
I'm not troll bait Reg. No one is saying don't ring, just saying if you ring for an indie ring in advanced and prove it's skill you bring not 20 mil sp.
TO fiddle: Fack man. You got nothing better, you don't care about others, why do you disagree? Logic > No cause I'm the big bad teamplayers who beat all the competition so we get to play god and make the rules. |
The legend345
TeamPlayers EoN.
797
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Posted - 2013.07.24 22:27:00 -
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Trial Mix wrote:No ringing for Indy corps, no more cafe speed plains running eon. Ringers in matches vs Latino killers corp and the like. This must stop people.
And if you can't abide the higher law (absolute last resort)
than ringers must be an alt with less sp or the ringer must only field advanced Suits. If they use an alt they won't have as much sp, if they field advanced on their main, they will have to use superior skill vs these Indy corps.
Yeh or Nay? Sure but your going to have to pay me more then the guy who wants me to ring for him |
Fiddlestaxp
TeamPlayers EoN.
260
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Posted - 2013.07.24 22:31:00 -
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Trial Mix wrote:ReGnYuM wrote:How about you pay me not to ring.
PC games pay out much more therefore I will ring for anyone. I'm not troll bait Reg. No one is saying don't ring, just saying if you ring for an indie ring in advanced and prove it's skill you bring not 20 mil sp. TO fiddle: Fack man. You got nothing better, you don't care about others, why do you disagree? Logic > No cause I'm the big bad teamplayers who beat all the competition so we get to play god and make the rules.
You asked me to read and respond to the original post. I did. You asked for a yay or nay. I gave you a no. You ever wonder where all those indie corp districts came from? Teamplayers asks its members not to ring in attacks against indie corps. We ask our alliance to not attack indie corps. That is pretty much the end of it. They are necessary for the health of the game and deserve some sort of protection. But this "advance gear" nonsense.... |
Trial Mix
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.07.24 22:37:00 -
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Fack, i'll just wait for PS2 where it'll be skill and not gear till they have a skill gap as well. Pussies. |
CPL Bloodstone
Neanderthal Nation
128
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Posted - 2013.07.24 23:52:00 -
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heh P.R.O brought there A team and attacked our district. I appreciate that you felt the need to do that since most of the members fighting you guys were around 5mil sp. Only like 3 of us had more than 8 million. So, tomorrow, we fight again. This time, im bringing my A team. |
STABBEY
WarRavens League of Infamy
85
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Posted - 2013.07.25 01:53:00 -
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Trial Mix wrote:No ringing for Indy corps, no more cafe speed plains running eon. Ringers in matches vs Latino killers corp and the like. This must stop people.
And if you can't abide the higher law (absolute last resort)
than ringers must be an alt with less sp or the ringer must only field advanced Suits. If they use an alt they won't have as much sp, if they field advanced on their main, they will have to use superior skill vs these Indy corps.
Yeh or Nay?
I vote Yeh. If indie corps want to fight pc it should be only indie corps that ring for them not Vets. |
STABBEY
WarRavens League of Infamy
85
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Posted - 2013.07.25 01:56:00 -
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CPL Bloodstone wrote:heh P.R.O brought there A team and attacked our district. I appreciate that you felt the need to do that since most of the members fighting you guys were around 5mil sp. Only like 3 of us had more than 8 million. So, tomorrow, we fight again. This time, im bringing my A team.
lol PRO sucks i think you could run all militia gear and beat them |
Rogatien Merc
Red Star. EoN.
500
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Posted - 2013.07.25 02:00:00 -
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Trial Mix wrote:Anyone else? CSP is, again, a member of EoN., so original post is to begin with.
This is going to be ranty, and a lot of people are going to completely disagree, but ... no, I do not support. I'm not a guy that would get called in to ring anyway, but just on principle... it's bullshit. Stomp the living **** out of them until they stop attacking or come back with improved tactics and forces. If *that* makes them quit the game, then it's them or the game that needs to be fixed, not some community vet agreement.
A bit tangential to the topic...
I mean I barely support the community's babysitting of smaller corps. In New Eden they're called "renters" and they should be paying 20% of their income for ... protection, or grow a pair and l2play. No one "deserves" districts... seriously.
OP's post is just one more part of the welfare state mentality around here which is based on a deep-seated fear "OMG, this game might die, how can we save it?" which is honestly something the devs should be concerned with. We should be concerned with playing the game. I'm just the guy who pew pews and bitches on the forums. But I've said before the community viewpoint on "making ISK = baaaad... farmville! farmville!" is... weird... and reflects a pure FPSer viewpoint. Things like PFC are an effort to turn it into a lobby shooter and dilutes the "OMG Kewl long-term warfare!" aspects that I think a lot of people are drawn to.
All of these noob-friendly PC initiatives by the community, while admirable and well-intentioned and supported by most vets, are an artificial prop ineffectually holding up the hopes and dreams of, and having a marginally positive effect on, **a few hundred** younger players that happen to be in these 'small corps'.
I think full blown ruthless Machiavellian **** (i.e. WIN) is the only thing that might result in additional changes in mechanics and cause CCP Foxfour to say "wow... what is broken? how can we fix it?" which is the only thing that is going to open PC up to a broader audience. Ironically, I think he should be saying the same damn thing NOW: "Why don't people want to conquer more stuff? How can we fix that?"
Instant battles are for random good fights, and the missing mechanic of 16-man team FW/Instant-Battle queuing is the true issue that is causing the community to compensate in the search for gud fites. Conquest is the name of the game in PC, and the ironically broken part is that no one actually wants to conquer anything, NOT that noobs get stomped. Fixing the "PC entry point for Noobs" is something that CCP needs to fix (6-man district campaigns anyone?), not the community. But I guess... noble effort.
But once such a team-queue instant battle system is in place, why be afraid of conquering the entire map? Cuz lol-bad name? Cuz lol-overlapping timers? Build an empire, be aggressive, **** the carebear ****. The problem is there is currently no game mechanic that rewards attacking over not attacking... I don't know... the lack of aggressive ghengis khan types in a game about conquest just meme:grindsmygears I guess.
Endofrant. |
Charlotte O'Dell
Molon Labe. League of Infamy
726
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Posted - 2013.07.25 03:18:00 -
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What if I join a corp called Mango and Friends that has 6 members and ring for small corps? My tags are 'indie' tags but...is that ok? |
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The Loathing
The Southern Legion
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Posted - 2013.07.25 04:46:00 -
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I think PFC is enough catering to small Corps. It's a courtesy that you wouldn't see often in Eve, and should be appreciated. But having a rule of "no Vet ringers" sounds more like a whine than an idea. Small Corps still have every opportunity to hire their OWN Vets and compete.
Once CCP catch on with the PFC idea and expand on it to allow for easier Indie Corp integration we might be on to something. But let good Mercs earn the money they are worth. That's what we're here for in the end, isn't it? |
Yokal Bob
BetaMax. CRONOS.
41
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Posted - 2013.07.25 05:35:00 -
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So...EoN, you give small corporations their own land to "promote small corporations playing in PC" but you some of you guys have no problem with ganging up against any small corporation that tries to attack those who you give the land to....
how does this help the smaller corps wanting to gain a foothold in PC?
sorry for singling you guys out but it seems to be you that are mainly posting 'no' to this. Yes you gave them the land but let them fight for it on their own, hopefully the larger alliances will leave them alone. To those who advise against the larger alliances participating in smaller corporation battles you have my gratitude.
personally i think its a good idea, let the smaller corps fight it out on their own, it will help them grow and will get more corporations participating in PC. |
Yokal Bob
BetaMax. CRONOS.
41
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Posted - 2013.07.25 05:36:00 -
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The Loathing wrote:I think PFC is enough catering to small Corps. It's a courtesy that you wouldn't see often in Eve, and should be appreciated. But having a rule of "no Vet ringers" sounds more like a whine than an idea. Small Corps still have every opportunity to hire their OWN Vets and compete.
Once CCP catch on with the PFC idea and expand on it to allow for easier Indie Corp integration we might be on to something. But let good Mercs earn the money they are worth. That's what we're here for in the end, isn't it?
true they could bring their own ringers, but i think it would be a good idea to let them fight amongst themselves, while the big alliances go at each other :) makes the game more fun |
Rogatien Merc
Red Star. EoN.
500
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Posted - 2013.07.25 05:44:00 -
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Yokal Bob wrote:So...EoN, you give small corporations their own land to "promote small corporations playing in PC" but you some of you guys have no problem with ganging up against any small corporation that tries to attack those who you give the land to....
how does this help the smaller corps wanting to gain a foothold in PC?
sorry for singling you guys out but it seems to be you that are mainly posting 'no' to this. Yes you gave them the land but let them fight for it on their own, hopefully the larger alliances will leave them alone. To those who advise against the larger alliances participating in smaller corporation battles you have my gratitude.
personally i think its a good idea, let the smaller corps fight it out on their own, it will help them grow and will get more corporations participating in PC. For my part of that, don't get my post wrong, I'm just a grunt bro and speak for neither Red Star. or Eon.; I do what I'm told by corp/alliance leadership as far as their policies go and I don't think EoN. leadership could possibly do anything more to support small corps known in the past... CRONOS troll is fail. |
Yokal Bob
BetaMax. CRONOS.
42
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Posted - 2013.07.25 05:54:00 -
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Rogatien Merc wrote:Yokal Bob wrote:So...EoN, you give small corporations their own land to "promote small corporations playing in PC" but you some of you guys have no problem with ganging up against any small corporation that tries to attack those who you give the land to....
how does this help the smaller corps wanting to gain a foothold in PC?
sorry for singling you guys out but it seems to be you that are mainly posting 'no' to this. Yes you gave them the land but let them fight for it on their own, hopefully the larger alliances will leave them alone. To those who advise against the larger alliances participating in smaller corporation battles you have my gratitude.
personally i think its a good idea, let the smaller corps fight it out on their own, it will help them grow and will get more corporations participating in PC. For my part of that, don't get my post wrong, I'm just a grunt bro and speak for neither Red Star. or Eon.; I do what I'm told by corp/alliance leadership as far as their policies go and I don't think EoN. leadership could possibly do anything more to support small corps known in the past... CRONOS troll is fail.
It is not a troll post, yeah i know which is why i said they have my gratitude |
HighTimesSW
TeamPlayers EoN.
74
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Posted - 2013.07.25 16:49:00 -
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We are working on it. We can't outright ban PC ringing. As fiddle said, we have set some ground rules we ask our players to obide, but it takes two tango.
If any small corp is getting ringers for their matches, they are missing the point entirely as well as squandering a good opportunity to grow.
You are stealing away a good experience from your members. Don't be afraid to lose a virtual piece of land by using your own members. You can always easily purchase another and or clone pack fight your way back in.
I will not ring for or against any indie corp, I have money and I don't need anymore
Please try to make your corp numbers self sufficient, so you do not require ringers.
We will never be able to stamp out it completely, I know one of my members has a friend from socom that has an indie corp, and I am not willing to tell my members, "You can not help your friends". So I am sure there will be cases like this, but do not expect TP en mass in any of these matches. Even if your opponent tells you the big bad TeamPlayers are protecting us, this is just not true. |
Code Slucid
Cafe Speed Plains EoN.
18
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Posted - 2013.07.25 20:14:00 -
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About that district, we already giving it up o/ Are we sorry? sure! I don't blame them but those ppl who ring for us were my friends mostly. Were a small japanese corp, that people rarely know about. When you think of "EON" you don't think of CSP. So were sorry to Latino Killers Corp. Now, about having your own corp members, were a japanese corp like I said and finding japanese players aren't easy. This game is dominant with americans players mostly, when you go on local chat, you rarely see japanese players :/ We just 1 district so we could get some of our members to get PC experience, They don't get pick to ring in the EON PC because they know little to nothing of english, so again!! Were sorry!!!! From ur favorite, lovable logi, Mama Code!!! Aka Code da Beaaassst!! (b^-^)b |
King Kobrah
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
836
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Posted - 2013.07.25 20:21:00 -
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I will happily ring for free to anyone who asks because it pays well. So will most of my alliance. Cafe speed plains members are pretty friendly and fun to play with so it's no surprise a lot of people in EoN are more than happy to PC with them.
There's no big conspiracy here to stomp indie corps.....stop crying and post on your main next time OP
@the betamax dude trying to voice his opinion
nobody cares, you're in a dead corp |
Yokal Bob
BetaMax. CRONOS.
45
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Posted - 2013.07.25 20:21:00 -
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Code Slucid wrote:About that district, we already giving it up o/ Are we sorry? sure! I don't blame them but those ppl who ring for us were my friends mostly. Were a small japanese corp, that people rarely know about. When you think of "EON" you don't think of CSP. So were sorry to Latino Killers Corp. Now, about having your own corp members, were a japanese corp like I said and finding japanese players aren't easy. This game is dominant with americans players mostly, when you go on local chat, you rarely see japanese players :/ We just 1 district so we could get some of our members to get PC experience, They don't get pick to ring in the EON PC because they know little to nothing of english, so again!! Were sorry!!!! From ur favorite, lovable logi, Mama Code!!! Aka Code da Beaaassst!! (b^-^)b
what times are you on? im on BST and in the mornings i get to talk to a few Japanese players. Im actually in the middle of learning Japanese and enjoy squading with them. We should squad up at some point |
Yokal Bob
BetaMax. CRONOS.
45
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Posted - 2013.07.26 00:37:00 -
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King Kobrah wrote:I will happily ring for free to anyone who asks because it pays well. So will most of my alliance. Cafe speed plains members are pretty friendly and fun to play with so it's no surprise a lot of people in EoN are more than happy to PC with them.
There's no big conspiracy here to stomp indie corps.....stop crying and post on your main next time OP
@the betamax dude trying to voice his opinion
nobody cares, you're in a dead corp
What do you mean no one cares about it, read the thread, quite a lot of players are thinking along the same lines, even if they don't use the forums. Also what does which corporation i am in dictate whether someone cares or not? Your reasoning is void. Betamax is far from being dead, we might not be as active in PC as you would like right now, but hold your horses. |
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