I'll have to get back to you on that one as your idea/thoughts about the situation have given me mixed feelings.

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`sigh. Just another fun game of DUST.

Personally I run gallente assault with my MD so I worry very little about shields and more about destroying them. It just seems overtly simple when the majority of the time I can take out one of heaviest shield fitted classes at the moment (cal logi) with a good radius with my STD flux and than MD them, while the MD+Flux is situational itself the flux makes things seem one sided for me....This is all just a thought I really don't expect them to change flux but if they ever look at in the future I think I have the more logical alternative.

I've played with Kaughst with his Freedom MD and I can attest to his experience with the MD. You're a bloody monster with that thing.

Anyway, I agree with your assessment that flux grenades might be a little too good, and I've been thinking of different ways the grenades could work, too.

1) percentage damage.

Simple enough. Flux grenades deal percentage damage to max shields of dropsuits.

70% at STD, 80% at ADV, 90% at PRO. I think that's reasonable, considering atm STD nades deplete all shields.

For vehicles, these percentages should be quartered; or we could keep the current damage for vehicles.

2) nades create a 'flux' field

This'd probably be a little more difficult to implement. I imagined the flux grenade upon detonation creating a field which slowly drains shields if you stay in it. It drains a percentage of shields per second, and from std - adv - pro the radius of the field increases, and that's all.

The field should drain most shields at the epicenter and drain less as you get to the edges, but that might be even harder to do. I imagine these grenades would work extremely well with slowly/disorientating grenades, if they're implemented.

3) flux nades deal less damage the less shields you have

similar to 1), except instead of a % of max shields, flux grenades only deal a % of current shields. Flux grenades deal 50% of current shields. So two hits from these flux grenades will bring you down to 25%, three gets you down to 12.5%, and so on. From std-adv-pro, the amount of grenades held increases from 3-4-5, and detonation time decreases so that at PRO, the grenades basically explode on contact.

Hello.

So, I have been using the Flux grenade with the MD lately and noticed how effective it was at destroying shields. When I was talking to someone who was running a shotgun and cal logi fit at the time they had mentioned how the MD itself was balanced but the flux grenades were not. After mentioning it to a friend he said flat they were 'OP', while this is probably not the case Flux grenades could be changed to fit a more interesting tactical choice.

I started seeing how a STD flux grenade would destroy shields and at a rather big radius. At the moment it seems that the higher tiers might only serve to hit more players in a larger radius, the damage even at STD destroys most infantry shields. The flux grenade could be rebalanced with a simple radius and damage decrease at STD and scale up to PROTO from there but this itself brings problems. Only damaging shields and not fully depleting them imbalances it compared to the locus grenades.

A more logical path would be if you did indeed scale shield damage from the STD to PROTO yet added a negative effect to shield recharge/shield delay efficiency and have a small timer with that. You essentially throw one of your Flux grenades and with a X of amount of damage with a X amount of time the enemy's shield recharge is stunted, a longer shield delay will take into effect if you deplete his shields.

As far as how much the flux grenades do damage. For the sake of simplicity in this theoretical case the damage across tiers could remain the same only needing three to destroy 1000 shields, the higher tiers would increase the radius and have a stronger recharge/delay penalty. The penalty would not stack, only taking into effect when the timer on his penalty is over yet still doing shield damage. Probably a technical challenge though...

Short story. Do less damage to shields with flux yet add in a negative effect to the efficiency of shield recharge/delay so the player can make up the damage.


Thank you.

They should do armor damage based on a percentage of your total shields, like let's say it does 20%, 30%, and 50% at Std, ADV, and proto a suit with 500 shields would lose it all and it if was a proto grenade take 250 armor damage. That way flux grenades can 1 shot shield suits like locus 1 shot aromor :)

Wow. Now nerf the flux grenade?
Flaylock - nerfed now it sucks,and people still want it nerfed
Mass driver - once nerfed so bad that it wasn't usable like the Flaylock now.
Nova knife - they asked to nerf the knife lol
Forge gun - they're asking to nerf that also
Orbital Strikes - People now asking to nerf the limit of how many strikes because they suck so bad to get obs.
Keyboard and mouse - people want to remove this capability because it's so called " unfair. "
Sprint speed - people want it gone along with bunny hop.

What's next? Mele? Lol pathetic people like you fk up the game so badly.

Personally I run gallente assault with my MD so I worry very little about shields and more about destroying them. It just seems overtly simple when the majority of the time I can take out one of heaviest shield fitted classes at the moment (cal logi) with a good radius with my STD flux and than MD them, while the MD+Flux is situational itself the flux makes things seem one sided for me....This is all just a thought I really don't expect them to change flux but if they ever look at in the future I think I have the more logical alternative.

At Present my standard flux grenades usually only remove 1/2 shields unless someone s standing right on it.

Flux grenades work just as well for an AR user as a MD user, so I disagree with your friend's assessment of balancing the MD.

It takes skill to use flux grenades, partly because you can hit yourself so easily, so I don't see a need to adjust this. This pertains to MD users in particular since the use of them becomes highly situational, or very skill based.

I think the flux is fine as is. It punishes the hell out of people for thinking they can get away with only shields.

It's all about risk vs. reward. If you rely entirely on shields you are weak to energy weapons and flux nades, but you'll have an advantage in most combat situations.

Making the flux nade "fair" to a shield tanker removes most of the purpose of the flux.

Hello.

So, I have been using the Flux grenade with the MD lately and noticed how effective it was at destroying shields. When I was talking to someone who was running a shotgun and cal logi fit at the time they had mentioned how the MD itself was balanced but the flux grenades were not. After mentioning it to a friend he said flat they were 'OP', while this is probably not the case Flux grenades could be changed to fit a more interesting tactical choice.

I started seeing how a STD flux grenade would destroy shields and at a rather big radius. At the moment it seems that the higher tiers might only serve to hit more players in a larger radius, the damage even at STD destroys most infantry shields. The flux grenade could be rebalanced with a simple radius and damage decrease at STD and scale up to PROTO from there but this itself brings problems. Only damaging shields and not fully depleting them imbalances it compared to the locus grenades.

A more logical path would be if you did indeed scale shield damage from the STD to PROTO yet added a negative effect to shield recharge/shield delay efficiency and have a small timer with that. You essentially throw one of your Flux grenades and with a X of amount of damage with a X amount of time the enemy's shield recharge is stunted, a longer shield delay will take into effect if you deplete his shields.

As far as how much the flux grenades do damage. For the sake of simplicity in this theoretical case the damage across tiers could remain the same only needing three to destroy 1000 shields, the higher tiers would increase the radius and have a stronger recharge/delay penalty. The penalty would not stack, only taking into effect when the timer on his penalty is over yet still doing shield damage. Probably a technical challenge though...

Short story. Do less damage to shields with flux yet add in a negative effect to the efficiency of shield recharge/delay so the player can make up the damage.


Thank you.

if you need 2 weapons to use one of them then the weapons are fine.