Yeah, well I'm tired of people grossly exaggerating "facts" in posts like a "12 second charge time" of a breach...

Not that I'm agreeing nor disagreeing with the rest of your post... I just thought this was a thread for sharing what we are tired of.

so it's okay for a man portable weapon to outdamage the absolute most powerful gun you can possibly fit on a tank?

said weapon is also an EXTREMELY effective anti infantry weapon.

so it's okay for a man portable weapon to outdamage the absolute most powerful gun you can possibly fit on a tank?

said weapon is also an EXTREMELY effective anti infantry weapon.

tanks are a 3 man vehicle.. get a crew and split the cost. thats what we do. on the day that we can trade items the cost problem will go away. untill then share the cost and it is nothing between a crew of 3

Im sorry can your tank be killed by 100% of the weapons in game?

Are you the slowest unit on the battlefield with the largest infantry hitbox?

Do you light up like a snipers wet dream when you charge your gun?

Do you have limited ammo?

Well... That's why you have teammates. Just like how it takes a team to kill a tank...oh wait

HOLY **** IS THAT LOGIC!!!

people dont even realise that the skills dmg stack on each other!

GET 3 guys, split cost, bring rep tools and some AV. work as a tank crew. YOUR CRAZY MAN ******* CRAZY!

You got 2 empty seats, start using them!. put some veh repair tools on those guys, or hell put a sniper rifle on them to to def your tank from forgers!

If no ones watching your back yes your tank can die but guess what so can I if im running solo breach forge!

we run tank driver, swarm launcher with rep tool and logi with nano hive,rep

works rather well...

trade secret.. now you all know

I believe he as gone terminal ****** now. You can only have turrets as your seats in the tank. and any of them hopping out are liable to taking a forge shot/missile to the face, or just outright getting gunned down.

You got 2 empty seats, start using them!. put some veh repair tools on those guys, or hell put a sniper rifle on them to to def your tank from forgers!

If no ones watching your back yes your tank can die but guess what so can I if im running solo breach forge!

dampeners and positioning, every spot in the tank deploys to a dif location, and im sorry you might die having a squad member get out of the tank. that would be like, a fps or something!. might have to have your crewmembers be able to defend themselves and not just hide in the tank! they might have to take...

"GASP!"

RISKS to save and protect your tank!

so you can solo my tank, but I need 3 people to kill you... **** right off.

your tank can solo me? yes it can. can 100% of the players on the field kill me? yes they can.

How many players can kill you? only the ones carrying decent AV.

So **** you

oh, I'm sorry that you are 1/3 my size, and you aren't a giant "FREE ISK" sign to everyone, and that just about everyone has AV kits prepped especially to kill my ass. I'm also sorry that you seem to think you should be immune to being shot just because you have an AV weapon, and that your investment is only about 1/10 of a decent tank, and that your SP investment is 1/5 that.

I'm also sorry that you didn't figure out that was sarcasm until now.

so I should have to worry about the other 31 and you shouldn't?

I don't know. There's a lot of other factors to account for to. Can't forget you got those assholes with AV grenades lol. But a forge gunner on a tower will smash that tank in a heart beat, gonna have to have a sniper ready really fast.

Add dispersion on forge guns. That's all I ask. Make the aiming reticle smaller, but add dispersion. Hell, once they have some dispersion, feel free to give them more splash, more range and shorter charge times.

This is a massive cannon you're firing from the hip: 100% accuracy shouldn't be guaranteed every shot.

Therefore, as a dropship pilot, I'll stop complaining, because once I notice a forge gun hitting me, I know by gaining height and simply putting distance between me and the forge gunner, I know they have less chance of hitting me, even if I'm dead center in their reticle.

That is balance.

Tanks are big, and they deal most damage at medium ranges. At such a range, a forge gun should have 90% accuracy on that tank. But the tank can still escape if it's lucky.

Furthermore, forge guns become more of a suppressive AV weapon at longer ranges, because it's harder to land hits.

so, you're the only person on your entire team with av, ever?

and have you ever used a tank? ever? seriously, go spec into one of those paper mache bastards, I'll wait while you sink 7 million SP into them, just to get to "Maybe I won't die if I play extremely well and my team picks off their 1 forge gunner. god help me if they have 2."

and lets see...

forge gun range: infinite(exception, assault is 300 meter)
Maximum range of railgun: between "whatever the absolutely shite rendering decides to let me have today" and 600 their max range.
max range of Blaster turrets: about 100 meters.
max range of missile. 287.5m. good ****ing luck hitting installations past 100.

so, you outrange 2 of 3 guns, hit harder than all of them, and you can still use it as an anti-infantry weapon, and you're still wearing the best armored suit for infantry.


cost of st enforcer type tank and fitting: 2mill isk.
cost of forge gun fit(all proto): 220k.

1 match vs 10 matches.

so it's okay for a man portable weapon to outdamage the absolute most powerful gun you can possibly fit on a tank?

said weapon is also an EXTREMELY effective anti infantry weapon.

Im so tired of people blaming the forge gun! you never talk about all the DISADVANTAGES a heavy has to wield it.
Go run around in one and tell me not getting shot to death is easy!.

The proto breach has a 6nd charge time and 4/12 rounds standard.
You can be shot stabed sniped, run over, blown up by every weapon under the sun
100% of weapons in the game can kill you
You are the slowest unit in the game!
You cannot recall yourself without blowing your own brains out!

Tanks get a ton of advantages!

If you guys want the direct damage of a breach forge gun, you should have charge time and the inability to move while charging. I can almost guarantee none of the people complaining would use it on there tank.

They just want buffs with out paying the price. Dont forget tanks are immune to sniper fire, can be recalled without a supply depot are immune to infantry small arms, can move really fast around the battlefield and are able to run people over, act as a spawn point either with a CRU or by carrying that **** on the suit inside and just hoping out for a second, are self repping at a huge rate, can provide cover for infantry, act as a bunker for almost dead troops, have a head shot spot that is on the very rear of the tank, can survive OB's. and a tank does have more DPS then a forge gun if they man the 2 small turrets inside!! and have UNLIMITED AMMO!

Also DPS on a tank STACKS FOR ALL mercs INSIDE! so any skill damage you have on the 3 people inside a tank will stack!

When your tank is not immune to 99% of the weapons in the game come complain to me about the 1% that can ******* kill you.

Do tanks need changes? YES

IS the forge gun the problem? no!

Tanks and lavs should give far more ISK per kill and should cost less.

The forge gun is not the issue!

they just want to be immune to 100% of the weapons in game!