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WyrmHero1945 SyNergy Gaming EoN. 509	Posted - 2013.07.23 22:16:00 - [1] - Quote Core Flaylock will have its blast radius like the right now specialist version. I use the specialist and I think it's a pretty balanced weapon. I rarely kill with it unless the guy has dropped shields or it's a militia suit which will need 3 shots to die. So the blast radius nerf seems ok by me. But then the nerf hammer begins to cast its doom with both direct and splash damage reduction. I think it was too much lol.
EternalRMG Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 443	Posted - 2013.07.23 22:17:00 - [2] - Quote i dont think so,, the nerf was just perfect
Cody Sietz Bullet Cluster 602	Posted - 2013.07.23 22:19:00 - [3] - Quote EternalRMG wrote: i dont think so,, the nerf was just perfect I would have liked to see a RoF Nerf as well, but what can ya do.
TheAmazing FlyingPig Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 1849	Posted - 2013.07.23 22:19:00 - [4] - Quote Problem is that it's a sidearm, not a primary. People were using it as a primary. The nerf is attempting to make it not primary. Looks good to me.
IRuby Heart DIOS EX. Top Men. 846	Posted - 2013.07.23 22:19:00 - [5] - Quote Lets try it out first and then say yay or nay. We have to remember while testing that it is only a sidearm and shouldn't be expected to take down Full HP Mercenaries anymore. If it can effectively down someone after weakening them up a bit, I think it'd be pretty balanced.
Knight Soiaire Better Hide R Die D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1400	Posted - 2013.07.23 22:20:00 - [6] - Quote EternalRMG wrote: i dont think so,, the nerf was just perfect Direct shouldn't have been touched, people will keep aiming for your feet now because the Splash damage is still very similar to the Direct, they should've kept the Direct.
Poplo Furuya Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 461	Posted - 2013.07.23 22:22:00 - [7] - Quote Does it have a 33% chance to make the player spontaneously combust when fired? They haven't gone far enough.
DJINN leukoplast Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 832	Posted - 2013.07.23 22:42:00 - [8] - Quote I've been using the advanced flaylock on my alt, and I think these changes will put the weapon where it should have been, as a last resort or 'finisher' sidearm. I've never tried the core flaylock, so I don't know how easy it would have been for me to get kills with it, but the advanced does pack a punch, however it requires decent aim to accomplish this goal due to the 1.5m splash radius.
RedRebelCork Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 199	Posted - 2013.07.23 22:51:00 - [9] - Quote Read this and if you still disagree tell us why: http://themittani.com/features/dust-514-flaylock-pistol-flay-2-win
KING CHECKMATE A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. League of Infamy 385	Posted - 2013.07.23 22:56:00 - [10] - Quote WyrmHero1945 wrote: Core Flaylock will have its blast radius like the right now specialist version. I use the specialist and I think it's a pretty balanced weapon. I rarely kill with it unless the guy has dropped shields or it's a militia suit which will need 3 shots to die. So the blast radius nerf seems ok by me. But then the nerf hammer begins to cast its doom with both direct and splash damage reduction. I think it was too much lol. You are getting more shots , up to 8. So its a nerf for skill-less players, and a buff for skilled players. Im sure REALLY skilled players will keep using their core flaylocks, at least as a SIDE ARM. But then again, knowing how tryhard this community is the flaylock will probably be extinct. SMG's , you are next...

LRMXxX What The French CRONOS. 37	Posted - 2013.07.23 22:58:00 - [11] - Quote RoF should be nerf imho.
DJINN leukoplast Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 832	Posted - 2013.07.23 23:00:00 - [12] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: WyrmHero1945 wrote: Core Flaylock will have its blast radius like the right now specialist version. I use the specialist and I think it's a pretty balanced weapon. I rarely kill with it unless the guy has dropped shields or it's a militia suit which will need 3 shots to die. So the blast radius nerf seems ok by me. But then the nerf hammer begins to cast its doom with both direct and splash damage reduction. I think it was too much lol. You are getting more shots , up to 8. So its a nerf for skill-less players, and a buff for skilled players. Im sure REALLY skilled players will keep using their core flaylocks, at least as a SIDE ARM. But then again, knowing how tryhard this community is the flaylock will probably be extinct. SMG's , you are next... I'm thinking the proto scrambler will be the next FoTW.
KING CHECKMATE A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. League of Infamy 385	Posted - 2013.07.23 23:02:00 - [13] - Quote DJINN leukoplast wrote: I've been using the advanced flaylock on my alt, and I think these changes will put the weapon where it should have been, as a last resort or 'finisher' sidearm. I've never tried the core flaylock, so I don't know how easy it would have been for me to get kills with it, but the advanced does pack a punch, however it requires decent aim to accomplish this goal due to the 1.5m splash radius. Bro, people running around with Cal Logi and their ONLY weapon being a Core flaylock and go 33-4 in a game with a 3 shot sidearm. And i KNOW its not because how skilled they are LOL. At proto level their splash damage is increased and , unlike Mass drivers that have a LOT less splash damage than a direct hit, these little buggers make the same splash damage as they do with a direct hit, making it for close quearters and craped spaces a god like weapon. I use SMG as my main, and as a side arm a Standard Flaylock (because of the inexistent PG use), and EVEN at Standard level it does hit quite a punch (on directs hits that is, since thats the only way i sue them). Since i use them for DIRECT HITS ONLY, i kind of like their ammo clip size being increased. I think its the way it should be and i will def be using it more..
KING CHECKMATE A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. League of Infamy 385	Posted - 2013.07.23 23:02:00 - [14] - Quote DJINN leukoplast wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: WyrmHero1945 wrote: Core Flaylock will have its blast radius like the right now specialist version. I use the specialist and I think it's a pretty balanced weapon. I rarely kill with it unless the guy has dropped shields or it's a militia suit which will need 3 shots to die. So the blast radius nerf seems ok by me. But then the nerf hammer begins to cast its doom with both direct and splash damage reduction. I think it was too much lol. You are getting more shots , up to 8. So its a nerf for skill-less players, and a buff for skilled players. Im sure REALLY skilled players will keep using their core flaylocks, at least as a SIDE ARM. But then again, knowing how tryhard this community is the flaylock will probably be extinct. SMG's , you are next... I'm thinking the proto scrambler will be the next FoTW. I hope so, i dont want my Ishi SMG nerfed . XD
Kane Fyea DUST University Ivy League 1409	Posted - 2013.07.23 23:08:00 - [15] - Quote DJINN leukoplast wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: WyrmHero1945 wrote: Core Flaylock will have its blast radius like the right now specialist version. I use the specialist and I think it's a pretty balanced weapon. I rarely kill with it unless the guy has dropped shields or it's a militia suit which will need 3 shots to die. So the blast radius nerf seems ok by me. But then the nerf hammer begins to cast its doom with both direct and splash damage reduction. I think it was too much lol. You are getting more shots , up to 8. So its a nerf for skill-less players, and a buff for skilled players. Im sure REALLY skilled players will keep using their core flaylocks, at least as a SIDE ARM. But then again, knowing how tryhard this community is the flaylock will probably be extinct. SMG's , you are next... I'm thinking the proto scrambler will be the next FoTW. Scramblers require too much skill for it to be the next FoTM.
Nocturnal Soul Immortal Retribution 250	Posted - 2013.07.23 23:36:00 - [16] - Quote that gun deserves to be nerfed
Dust Project 514 Dust 514 Evolved 209	Posted - 2013.07.23 23:49:00 - [17] - Quote It's sad really. The weapon has no incentive to perform direct hits. It will still be an easy to use weapon, but it just won't hit as hard.
Wowski KiLo. 11	Posted - 2013.07.24 00:26:00 - [18] - Quote TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote: Problem is that it's a sidearm, not a primary. People were using it as a primary. The nerf is attempting to make it not primary. Looks good to me. So why is there a racial bonus to a dropsuit for SIDEARMS? Are you telling me with a Minmatar assault sidearm clip bonus I should still use a light weapon as my primary? Overall with the nerfing of Cal-logs, and an increased clip size (that has to be incorrect), I expect to be killing more people. Previously it was just heavies and Cal-logis that took 5+ shots to kill, now it will just be heavies . Also, now that the fitting bonus frees up some CPU, I can fit some OP M1's with 6+ splash radius to throw first, maybe next patch people will realize that weapons with 6m+ splash radius take far less skill than ones with 2.5m.
Kane Fyea DUST University Ivy League 1414	Posted - 2013.07.24 00:28:00 - [19] - Quote Wowski wrote: TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote: Problem is that it's a sidearm, not a primary. People were using it as a primary. The nerf is attempting to make it not primary. Looks good to me. So why is there a racial bonus to a dropsuit for SIDEARMS? Are you telling me with a Minmatar assault sidearm clip bonus I should still use a light weapon as my primary? Overall with the nerfing of Cal-logs, and an increased clip size (that has to be incorrect), I expect to be killing more people. Previously it was just heavies and Cal-logis that took 5+ shots to kill, now it will just be heavies . Also, now that the fitting bonus frees up some CPU, I can fit some OP M1's with 6+ splash radius to throw first, maybe next patch people will realize that weapons with 6m+ splash radius take far less skill than ones with 2.5m. I'll still throw my core locus grenades at you guys. 7.2 radius + 600 dmg FTW.
Wowski KiLo. 11	Posted - 2013.07.24 00:36:00 - [20] - Quote Also, if base clip size is 8... you've given a 100% increase in clip size (10 with min assault 5), and a 24% nerf to splash damage. Do the math. I don't see the clip size in the patch notes, therefore I don't think that's true.

Delta 749 Kestrel Reconnaissance 1445	Posted - 2013.07.24 00:37:00 - [21] - Quote Yeah nerfed, getting 5 more missiles per clip while only losing 50 damage on what remains a very forgiving splash radius is such a horrible nerf
dday3six Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic 110	Posted - 2013.07.24 00:50:00 - [22] - Quote Delta 749 wrote: Yeah nerfed, getting 5 more missiles per clip while only losing 50 damage on what remains a very forgiving splash radius is such a horrible nerf I think people are confused on that. The Ammo skill for Flaylock doesn't work like Scrambler Pistol Op. It's not going to add to the clip, it's going to add one round to spare ammo each level, rather then 5% each level. At least that's how I understand it.
TheAmazing FlyingPig Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 1855	Posted - 2013.07.24 00:55:00 - [23] - Quote Wowski wrote: TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote: Problem is that it's a sidearm, not a primary. People were using it as a primary. The nerf is attempting to make it not primary. Looks good to me. So why is there a racial bonus to a dropsuit for SIDEARMS? Are you telling me with a Minmatar assault sidearm clip bonus I should still use a light weapon as my primary? Works better with an SMG, and yea, a primary should primarily be used, while a secondary should be used second. Besides, if everyone fit for race-specific bonuses, we'd see shield tanking Gallente and Amarr.
Thumb Green THE STAR BORN Dark Taboo 220	Posted - 2013.07.24 01:14:00 - [24] - Quote The splash damage should have been nerfed a bit more because it's splash is still better than the mass driver's.
Johnny Guilt Algintal Core Gallente Federation 200	Posted - 2013.07.24 01:21:00 - [25] - Quote lol now you have to have a adv or proto flaylock to kill someone with a direct hit with their shield down. goodbye std flaylock you suck worse than the std SMG now
Daxxis KANNAH Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 250	Posted - 2013.07.24 01:23:00 - [26] - Quote Thumb Green wrote: The splash damage should have been nerfed a bit more because it's splash is still better than the mass driver's. Less range and shots per clip Also since CCP actually claimed Primary > Sidearm, drop sidearm weapons to 1x RoF, splash damage and radius, range - those could have put it rightly in its place and still made the weapon feared up close. Clueless!!!!
Tectonic Fusion The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 63	Posted - 2013.07.24 01:26:00 - [27] - Quote DJINN leukoplast wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: WyrmHero1945 wrote: Core Flaylock will have its blast radius like the right now specialist version. I use the specialist and I think it's a pretty balanced weapon. I rarely kill with it unless the guy has dropped shields or it's a militia suit which will need 3 shots to die. So the blast radius nerf seems ok by me. But then the nerf hammer begins to cast its doom with both direct and splash damage reduction. I think it was too much lol. You are getting more shots , up to 8. So its a nerf for skill-less players, and a buff for skilled players. Im sure REALLY skilled players will keep using their core flaylocks, at least as a SIDE ARM. But then again, knowing how tryhard this community is the flaylock will probably be extinct. SMG's , you are next... I'm thinking the proto scrambler will be the next FoTW. LOL Those Flaylock tryhards don't have the skill to use the scrambler effectively.
Daxxis KANNAH Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 251	Posted - 2013.07.24 01:33:00 - [28] - Quote Tectonic Fusion wrote: DJINN leukoplast wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: WyrmHero1945 wrote: Core Flaylock will have its blast radius like the right now specialist version. I use the specialist and I think it's a pretty balanced weapon. I rarely kill with it unless the guy has dropped shields or it's a militia suit which will need 3 shots to die. So the blast radius nerf seems ok by me. But then the nerf hammer begins to cast its doom with both direct and splash damage reduction. I think it was too much lol. You are getting more shots , up to 8. So its a nerf for skill-less players, and a buff for skilled players. Im sure REALLY skilled players will keep using their core flaylocks, at least as a SIDE ARM. But then again, knowing how tryhard this community is the flaylock will probably be extinct. SMG's , you are next... I'm thinking the proto scrambler will be the next FoTW. LOL Those Flaylock tryhards don't have the skill to use the scrambler effectively. You think it was noobs exploiting the fp, the same noobs exploiting cal logi and tac -
KING CHECKMATE A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. League of Infamy 392	Posted - 2013.07.24 01:36:00 - [29] - Quote Dont know if ''noobs' since you still need a good amount of SP to do a good loadout with FP... But if you are running CAL LOGI + Core flaylock + contact g. = i automatically assume you are a try hard, and god have i've seen try hards in the last 3 weeks....
Duran Lex Silver Talon Corporation 83	Posted - 2013.07.24 01:36:00 - [30] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: You are getting more shots , up to 8. So its a nerf for skill-less players, and a buff for skilled players. Im sure REALLY skilled players will keep using their core flaylocks, at least as a SIDE ARM. But then again, knowing how tryhard this community is the flaylock will probably be extinct. SMG's , you are next... You seem to be quite confused. The guns will still have 3 shots per clip. The ammo skill (you know, the skill that increases the total amount of ammo that every gun can spec) now gives a flat 1 missile per level, instead of 5%.



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