Face it, ARs are easy mode and they're going to continue to be easy mode because every game needs a mechanic new players can latch onto. They just need to find a way to beef up niche weapons to counter them better.

I have proto HMG, proto scrambler rifles, proto AR's.

The AR is still king. The scrambler is fun, but the recoil is more than the AR, and for some reason it feels like the "bullets" travel slower. The HMG... lolHMG.

What i find funny is that the AR has the "Sharpshooter" skill while the SR doesn't have a skill like that, or a more specialized skill, like something to reduce heat... i don't know, something. The SR's are still good though, just that the AR is, and always will be the king of the battlefield.

I have proto HMG, proto scrambler rifles, proto AR's.

The AR is still king. The scrambler is fun, but the recoil is more than the AR, and for some reason it feels like the "bullets" travel slower. The HMG... lolHMG.

What i find funny is that the AR has the "Sharpshooter" skill while the SR doesn't have a skill like that, or a more specialized skill, like something to reduce heat... i don't know, something. The SR's are still good though, just that the AR is, and always will be the king of the battlefield.

What I think really kills the assault scrambler rifle is it's ridiculous recoil when ADS.

....wait......... phased laser charges...... ..recoil... .....what?

What I think really kills the assault scrambler rifle is it's ridiculous recoil when ADS.

....wait......... phased laser charges...... ..recoil... .....what?

From my experience the AR has initially more recoil and bullet spread than the scrambler assault rifle, the problem is the scrambler assault rifle do not benefit from skills the AR does with two skills to deal with its weakness.

CCP should start to introduce the proper Weapon profiles and they should get rid of all the placeholder weapons than we may see some differences because then the gal AR has its own niche -> short Range + high dps. Now ist all kinda screwed ;(

That's just false.
Both the AR and the Scrambler rifle are hit scan, as in instant bullets.
Also, I tested it, the recoil is the same, it just feels like this because of the distracting glow when you fire (like whe the laser)

Exactly, switch the recoil, dispersion, and optimal range between the ScR and the AR.

i said "feels like"... i didn't say it was fact.

The charged shot certainly doesn't feel like it's insta hit. Tried that **** many times and it's either hit detection or there's travel time on that bullet.

Can I please understand why this weapon is "OP?"
DPS?
HMG has more DPS than it.
Range?
60 meters and after that our damage drops so much that it's like bug bites.

I don't understand you people, I really don't.
Also, I love how you all ignore the assault scrambler rifle.
It has the same DPS as the assault rifle, almost the same range, bigger clip size, tighter hip fire.
And while yes, it has overheat, but it's insignificant, it takes a clip and a half of constant fire to overheat it

This just shows me obvious butthurt, you people can't take the fact that there are general purpose weapons and niche weapons.

Wait for all the racial Assault rifles, then talk balance.

AR has vastly less recoil than the SR. The sights on the SR are mostly useless since the muzzle flak is so bright you can't see out of it when you shoot. Also no sharpshooter skill. The game should be balanced around assault rifles anyways.

And...
It will be exactly the same.
Try using someone UNSKILLED INTO AR's, see how the recoil is.
That -25% to kick is really useful.

Again, false.
The muzzle flash is annoying but isn't as bad as the laser, I can certainly deal with it.

Hit detection.

And...
It will be exactly the same.
Try using someone UNSKILLED INTO AR's, see how the recoil is.
That -25% to kick is really useful.

I'm better at this game than you are, I know what I'm talking about. The muzzle flash is so bad you lose sight of your target because CCP has no idea how to properly balance an FPS.

And...
It will be exactly the same.
Try using someone UNSKILLED INTO AR's, see how the recoil is.
That -25% to kick is really useful.

What kick - kick is minimal.

I use the exile with no skills into AR and just ADS on target and hold down the trigger.

The gun barely moves and never veers (horizontally) off the target.

I should clarify:
I said false about the less recoil thing.

Also, you can't claim you are better than me as we never played against each other.
In fact, you are the one complaining that you lose sight of your target with the SCR when I'm doing just fine.

That's the thing, with 0 SP and an Exile there's virtually no kick/dispersion to speak of until you get down to your last 10 rounds. Even the GEK doesn't kick like a donkey compared to how it was in Chrome. For a weapon that has such an ungodly amount of DPS, you should have to give up some accuracy from simply holding down R 1.

I've come in first place in PC matches against almost every single relevant corp in dust 514. What have you accomplished?

Are you really going to sit here and tell me you DONT lose sight of your target when you shoot?

I want you to take a look at this image and tell me you can still see the target's dropsuit.

http://i.imgur.com/2MCdABk.jpg

Nope, even with the skill maxed out after around 20-25 bullets it starts kicking like a mule.

That'd be about 5 with the assault scr.

Is this after 1.2?
Because they changed stuff around.

Also, I'm not going into PC matches often, I am more casual, but when I do go I usually am at the top of the scoreboard.

Are we using the same SCR?
Because for me it starts after 40 bullets from it's 72 bullet clip.

It's the exact same way it is right now. Do the glitch where your weapon is invisible and use the sight..no muzzle flash = better accuracy = the gun is actually usable

also it definitely has more recoil than my duvolle, I have proto SR and AR, the full auto SR kicks much harder than the AR right out the gate.

After 20,000+ kills I think I'd notice the recoils on different guns, so I know for a 100% fact I am right.

I've come in first place in PC matches against almost every single relevant corp in dust 514. What have you accomplished?

Are you really going to sit here and tell me you DONT lose sight of your target when you shoot?

I want you to take a look at this image and tell me you can still see the target's dropsuit.

http://i.imgur.com/2MCdABk.jpg

Is this after 1.2?
Because they changed stuff around.

Also, I'm not going into PC matches often, I am more casual, but when I do go I usually am at the top of the scoreboard.
I am not saying I am better, I am saying you can't know until you actually go up against me so we can test it.

The HMG muzzle flash is five times worse since Uprising, and it covers the entire damn screen.



If you deliberately place yourself outside of the realm of competition than your credibility does not get the benefit of anyone's doubt. No one is going to take your word for anything and you do not automatically get a free pass to make valid arguments with people who are more experienced than you in pretty much everything.

If you intend to sit here and argue with Kobrah, you're just going to continue looking like some newbie who wants to get his 2 cents in regardless of the fact you don't know anything. And no one is going to take you seriously.

So instead of arguing with him all day so you can chest thump, why don't you either

A. Get into actual, competitive PC and prove you have credibility.

or

B. Listen to people who ARE better than you and actually learn something.

They said that the range differences won't be that big.
-+10/15

*cough cough* Ahem, let me introduce myself as a Carthum ASCR user.

The ASCR's are NOT OP due to the fact that they are horrendous at eating through armor. Yes, I can wipe out a Cal Logi's shields in 4-7 rounds, but if I go against a Gallente Armor tanker, even with the Carthum, it's going to be a bad time.

There has been many times where I have wiped out a players shields just to hit the brick wall for the SCR's that is the player's armor. It sucks to take few rounds to wipe out shields yet another 40 (with consistent hitmarkers) to actually get through the armor and off the player.

In short, take that "ASCR's/SCR's are OP" trash somewhere else.

Wow thats really sad I hoped for a greater difference between the weapons. Si it makes a noticeable diference wich weapon you choose. I really hope CCP changes their mind in this regard.

Can I please understand why this weapon is "OP?"
DPS?
HMG has more DPS than it.
Range?
60 meters and after that our damage drops so much that it's like bug bites.

I don't understand you people, I really don't.
Also, I love how you all ignore the assault scrambler rifle.
It has the same DPS as the assault rifle, almost the same range, bigger clip size, tighter hip fire.
And while yes, it has overheat, but it's insignificant, it takes a clip and a half of constant fire to overheat it

This just shows me obvious butthurt, you people can't take the fact that there are general purpose weapons and niche weapons.

Wait for all the racial Assault rifles, then talk balance.

Edit:
No, the ASCR does not have more recoil, it just doesn't have a skill that reduces recoil.
In fact from my testing it has less recoil than the AR without the skill

I wouldn't say the assault rifle is OP. The problem is that it is just the best gun in the game in almost every situation. For instance in the dev blog today they made a point of saying that every gun had a situation for which it is strong and others in which it is weak. i wish they had said "except the AR" because that's the truth. Be honest here - why else would EVERYONE be using it. It is great in both close quarters combat and long and mid range assault. I'm a shotgunner, but whenever I need to use my free assault suit, I feel jealous because the semi-auto fire of the AR is better than anything i could ever try. Think on it. The way strafing is right now, Assault Rifle players have an advantage because they can continuously fire for how long? With a shotgun, if you miss you're a sitting duck until you can fire again and all the while you're taking damage from an automatic weapon.

The AR isn't underpowered - but it i head and shoulders above other gun types. Those other guns need a buff. Ar doesn't need a nerf

Doesnt 1 of the scramblers hit for 78 and have the same fire rate as a gex?

Yeah overheat makes firing anywhere near GEK speeds a nightmare.

Are we 100% certain SCR is hitscan? I use the SCR almost exclusively and it certainly feels like its projectile compared to the hit scan of the ARs. Use the TAR and then use the SCR, SCR definitely feels like you have to lead and wait a moment for your hit to register. Why would hit detection be worse on the SCR?