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King Kobrah
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
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Posted - 2013.07.23 19:18:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote: Is this after 1.2? Because they changed stuff around.
Also, I'm not going into PC matches often, I am more casual, but when I do go I usually am at the top of the scoreboard.
It's the exact same way it is right now. Do the glitch where your weapon is invisible and use the sight..no muzzle flash = better accuracy = the gun is actually usable
also it definitely has more recoil than my duvolle, I have proto SR and AR, the full auto SR kicks much harder than the AR right out the gate.
After 20,000+ kills I think I'd notice the recoils on different guns, so I know for a 100% fact I am right. |
Stupid Blueberry
Nova Corps Marines Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
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Posted - 2013.07.23 19:27:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:Stupid Blueberry wrote: That'd be about 5 with the assault scr.
Are we using the same SCR? Because for me it starts after 40 bullets from it's 72 bullet clip.
Are we? I maxed AR and SCR operation and switch between tac/standard ARs and SCR. Whenever I try and use the assault scr in one of the urban maps I always ask myself why the **** I just did that. Yellow reflex sight + yellow muzzle flash and that ridiculous kick make me hate it so badly.
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Cat Merc
BetaMax. CRONOS.
3511
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Posted - 2013.07.23 19:33:00 -
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King Kobrah wrote:Cat Merc wrote: Is this after 1.2? Because they changed stuff around.
Also, I'm not going into PC matches often, I am more casual, but when I do go I usually am at the top of the scoreboard.
It's the exact same way it is right now. Do the glitch where your weapon is invisible and use the sight..no muzzle flash = better accuracy = the gun is actually usable also it definitely has more recoil than my duvolle, I have proto SR and AR, the full auto SR kicks much harder than the AR right out the gate. After 20,000+ kills I think I'd notice the recoils on different guns, so I know for a 100% fact I am right. Well, to confirm what you said, I went to shoot both weapons on the wall. AR with the skill maxed out has perfect accuracy starting, after 20-25 bullets (remember, maxed skill) it starts kicking like a mule. ASCR, after a full clip unload, while it has horizontal kick that starts after 5 bullets, it's minor, and it has zero vertical kick. Go test it yourself. |
Stupid Blueberry
Nova Corps Marines Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
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Posted - 2013.07.23 19:35:00 -
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At what distance? And would it really matter if the thing shot PERFECTLY if you still couldn't see out of the scope while firing? |
Himiko Kuronaga
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
985
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Posted - 2013.07.23 19:58:00 -
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King Kobrah wrote:I've come in first place in PC matches against almost every single relevant corp in dust 514. What have you accomplished? Are you really going to sit here and tell me you DONT lose sight of your target when you shoot? I want you to take a look at this image and tell me you can still see the target's dropsuit. http://i.imgur.com/2MCdABk.jpg
The HMG muzzle flash is five times worse since Uprising, and it covers the entire damn screen.
Cat Merc wrote: Is this after 1.2? Because they changed stuff around.
Also, I'm not going into PC matches often, I am more casual, but when I do go I usually am at the top of the scoreboard. I am not saying I am better, I am saying you can't know until you actually go up against me so we can test it.
If you deliberately place yourself outside of the realm of competition than your credibility does not get the benefit of anyone's doubt. No one is going to take your word for anything and you do not automatically get a free pass to make valid arguments with people who are more experienced than you in pretty much everything.
If you intend to sit here and argue with Kobrah, you're just going to continue looking like some newbie who wants to get his 2 cents in regardless of the fact you don't know anything. And no one is going to take you seriously.
So instead of arguing with him all day so you can chest thump, why don't you either
A. Get into actual, competitive PC and prove you have credibility.
or
B. Listen to people who ARE better than you and actually learn something. |
Aisha Ctarl
The Generals EoN.
786
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Posted - 2013.07.23 20:05:00 -
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*cough cough* Ahem, let me introduce myself as a Carthum ASCR user.
The ASCR's are NOT OP due to the fact that they are horrendous at eating through armor. Yes, I can wipe out a Cal Logi's shields in 4-7 rounds, but if I go against a Gallente Armor tanker, even with the Carthum, it's going to be a bad time.
There has been many times where I have wiped out a players shields just to hit the brick wall for the SCR's that is the player's armor. It sucks to take few rounds to wipe out shields yet another 40 (with consistent hitmarkers) to actually get through the armor and off the player.
In short, take that "ASCR's/SCR's are OP" trash somewhere else. |
Cat Merc
BetaMax. CRONOS.
3511
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Posted - 2013.07.23 20:06:00 -
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Himiko Kuronaga wrote:King Kobrah wrote:I've come in first place in PC matches against almost every single relevant corp in dust 514. What have you accomplished? Are you really going to sit here and tell me you DONT lose sight of your target when you shoot? I want you to take a look at this image and tell me you can still see the target's dropsuit. http://i.imgur.com/2MCdABk.jpg The HMG muzzle flash is five times worse since Uprising, and it covers the entire damn screen. Cat Merc wrote: Is this after 1.2? Because they changed stuff around.
Also, I'm not going into PC matches often, I am more casual, but when I do go I usually am at the top of the scoreboard. I am not saying I am better, I am saying you can't know until you actually go up against me so we can test it.
If you deliberately place yourself outside of the realm of competition than your credibility does not get the benefit of anyone's doubt. No one is going to take your word for anything and you do not automatically get a free pass to make valid arguments with people who are more experienced than you in pretty much everything. If you intend to sit here and argue with Kobrah, you're just going to continue looking like some newbie who wants to get his 2 cents in regardless of the fact you don't know anything. And no one is going to take you seriously. So instead of arguing with him all day so you can chest thump, why don't you either A. Get into actual, competitive PC and prove you have credibility. or B. Listen to people who ARE better than you and actually learn something. Notice the second part? I was in 7-8 PC matches, all of them I was on the top of the leaderboard. |
Korvin Lomont
United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION
61
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Posted - 2013.07.23 20:07:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:Korvin Lomont wrote:Lance 2ballzStrong wrote:I have proto HMG, proto scrambler rifles, proto AR's.
The AR is still king. The scrambler is fun, but the recoil is more than the AR, and for some reason it feels like the "bullets" travel slower. The HMG... lolHMG.
What i find funny is that the AR has the "Sharpshooter" skill while the SR doesn't have a skill like that, or a more specialized skill, like something to reduce heat... i don't know, something. The SR's are still good though, just that the AR is, and always will be the king of the battlefield. From my experience the AR has initially more recoil and bullet spread than the scrambler assault rifle, the problem is the scrambler assault rifle do not benefit from skills the AR does with two skills to deal with its weakness. CCP should start to introduce the proper Weapon profiles and they should get rid of all the placeholder weapons than we may see some differences because then the gal AR has its own niche -> short Range + high dps. Now ist all kinda screwed ;( They said that the range differences won't be that big. -+10/15
Wow thats really sad I hoped for a greater difference between the weapons. Si it makes a noticeable diference wich weapon you choose. I really hope CCP changes their mind in this regard. |
Cat Merc
BetaMax. CRONOS.
3511
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Posted - 2013.07.23 20:07:00 -
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Aisha Ctarl wrote:*cough cough* Ahem, let me introduce myself as a Carthum ASCR user.
The ASCR's are NOT OP due to the fact that they are horrendous at eating through armor. Yes, I can wipe out a Cal Logi's shields in 4-7 rounds, but if I go against a Gallente Armor tanker, even with the Carthum, it's going to be a bad time.
There has been many times where I have wiped out a players shields just to hit the brick wall for the SCR's that is the player's armor. It sucks to take few rounds to wipe out shields yet another 40 (with consistent hitmarkers) to actually get through the armor and off the player.
In short, take that "ASCR's/SCR's are OP" trash somewhere else. I never said it's OP. I said it's compare able to the AR, and one says the ASCR is OP.
About your statement, here are the resistance values: Assault Rifle: 110/90 shield/armor resistance % Scrambler Rifle: 120/80 shield/armor resistance % |
Cat Merc
BetaMax. CRONOS.
3511
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Posted - 2013.07.23 20:08:00 -
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Korvin Lomont wrote:Cat Merc wrote:Korvin Lomont wrote:Lance 2ballzStrong wrote:I have proto HMG, proto scrambler rifles, proto AR's.
The AR is still king. The scrambler is fun, but the recoil is more than the AR, and for some reason it feels like the "bullets" travel slower. The HMG... lolHMG.
What i find funny is that the AR has the "Sharpshooter" skill while the SR doesn't have a skill like that, or a more specialized skill, like something to reduce heat... i don't know, something. The SR's are still good though, just that the AR is, and always will be the king of the battlefield. From my experience the AR has initially more recoil and bullet spread than the scrambler assault rifle, the problem is the scrambler assault rifle do not benefit from skills the AR does with two skills to deal with its weakness. CCP should start to introduce the proper Weapon profiles and they should get rid of all the placeholder weapons than we may see some differences because then the gal AR has its own niche -> short Range + high dps. Now ist all kinda screwed ;( They said that the range differences won't be that big. -+10/15 Wow thats really sad I hoped for a greater difference between the weapons. Si it makes a noticeable diference wich weapon you choose. I really hope CCP changes their mind in this regard. Think about it this way. Lets say the Scrambler rifle is in it's correct range right now? The Gallente AR will be -10/15 meters from it. The Caldari AR will be +10/15 meters from it.
So in the end, the difference between the Gallente and the Caldari AR is 30 meters. That's the difference between the standard AR and the Breach AR. So yeah, it will be noticeable. |
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Robocop Junior
The Surrogates Of War
1
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Posted - 2013.07.23 20:21:00 -
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rofl "listen to people who ARE better than you and actually learn something" that is so cute but who would christians listen to no one better than them :) |
AfroSunshineY Consequence
Clan Choinnich
49
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Posted - 2013.07.23 20:30:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:Can I please understand why this weapon is "OP?" DPS? HMG has more DPS than it. Range? 60 meters and after that our damage drops so much that it's like bug bites. I don't understand you people, I really don't. Also, I love how you all ignore the assault scrambler rifle. It has the same DPS as the assault rifle, almost the same range, bigger clip size, tighter hip fire. And while yes, it has overheat, but it's insignificant, it takes a clip and a half of constant fire to overheat it This just shows me obvious butthurt, you people can't take the fact that there are general purpose weapons and niche weapons. Wait for all the racial Assault rifles, then talk balance.Edit: No, the ASCR does not have more recoil, it just doesn't have a skill that reduces recoil. In fact from my testing it has less recoil than the AR without the skill
I wouldn't say the assault rifle is OP. The problem is that it is just the best gun in the game in almost every situation. For instance in the dev blog today they made a point of saying that every gun had a situation for which it is strong and others in which it is weak. i wish they had said "except the AR" because that's the truth. Be honest here - why else would EVERYONE be using it. It is great in both close quarters combat and long and mid range assault. I'm a shotgunner, but whenever I need to use my free assault suit, I feel jealous because the semi-auto fire of the AR is better than anything i could ever try. Think on it. The way strafing is right now, Assault Rifle players have an advantage because they can continuously fire for how long? With a shotgun, if you miss you're a sitting duck until you can fire again and all the while you're taking damage from an automatic weapon.
The AR isn't underpowered - but it i head and shoulders above other gun types. Those other guns need a buff. Ar doesn't need a nerf |
HYENAKILLER X
Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation
76
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Posted - 2013.07.23 20:45:00 -
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Doesnt 1 of the scramblers hit for 78 and have the same fire rate as a gex? |
Cat Merc
BetaMax. CRONOS.
3512
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Posted - 2013.07.23 20:48:00 -
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AfroSunshineY Consequence wrote:Cat Merc wrote:Can I please understand why this weapon is "OP?" DPS? HMG has more DPS than it. Range? 60 meters and after that our damage drops so much that it's like bug bites. I don't understand you people, I really don't. Also, I love how you all ignore the assault scrambler rifle. It has the same DPS as the assault rifle, almost the same range, bigger clip size, tighter hip fire. And while yes, it has overheat, but it's insignificant, it takes a clip and a half of constant fire to overheat it This just shows me obvious butthurt, you people can't take the fact that there are general purpose weapons and niche weapons. Wait for all the racial Assault rifles, then talk balance.Edit: No, the ASCR does not have more recoil, it just doesn't have a skill that reduces recoil. In fact from my testing it has less recoil than the AR without the skill I wouldn't say the assault rifle is OP. The problem is that it is just the best gun in the game in almost every situation. For instance in the dev blog today they made a point of saying that every gun had a situation for which it is strong and others in which it is weak. i wish they had said "except the AR" because that's the truth. Be honest here - why else would EVERYONE be using it. It is great in both close quarters combat and long and mid range assault. I'm a shotgunner, but whenever I need to use my free assault suit, I feel jealous because the semi-auto fire of the AR is better than anything i could ever try. Think on it. The way strafing is right now, Assault Rifle players have an advantage because they can continuously fire for how long? With a shotgun, if you miss you're a sitting duck until you can fire again and all the while you're taking damage from an automatic weapon. The AR isn't underpowered - but it i head and shoulders above other gun types. Those other guns need a buff. Ar doesn't need a nerf You probably missed the part where they said that it can do everything at most ranges, but there are other weapons that outclass it at specific ranges. |
Daxxis KANNAH
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.07.23 20:57:00 -
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HYENAKILLER X wrote:Doesnt 1 of the scramblers hit for 78 and have the same fire rate as a gex?
You have to constantly pull the trigger so ADS wont be as easy plus you have the whole overheat mechanic. |
Bones McGavins
TacoCat Industries
386
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Posted - 2013.07.23 21:14:00 -
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Yeah overheat makes firing anywhere near GEK speeds a nightmare.
Are we 100% certain SCR is hitscan? I use the SCR almost exclusively and it certainly feels like its projectile compared to the hit scan of the ARs. Use the TAR and then use the SCR, SCR definitely feels like you have to lead and wait a moment for your hit to register. Why would hit detection be worse on the SCR? |
Cat Merc
BetaMax. CRONOS.
3512
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Posted - 2013.07.23 21:20:00 -
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Bones McGavins wrote:Yeah overheat makes firing anywhere near GEK speeds a nightmare.
Are we 100% certain SCR is hitscan? I use the SCR almost exclusively and it certainly feels like its projectile compared to the hit scan of the ARs. Use the TAR and then use the SCR, SCR definitely feels like you have to lead and wait a moment for your hit to register. Why would hit detection be worse on the SCR? Yes, it is hitscan. And I have no clue why it feels worse to you, it feels the same to me. |
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