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What is with this menatllity of Logi players that they should be as effective at being a frontline fighter as any assault player?
That's the whole point, you give up that power for 4 equipment slots.
You should have no other upsides other than that.

Doesn't mean that you can't fight, you're just not as effective, simple!

Assuming my idea gets implemented, where logi suits have the same high/low slot layout as their assault counter part, here is what you gain and lose (Assuming both have the same stuff in low and high):
+3 equipment slots (to a total of 4)
+CPU/PG
-60 base HP
-0.3 Speed
-Sidearm


Really?
Is that so bad?
Can you look at my eyes and seriously tell me you still can't fight?

You're just not as effective, but you become more effective at being a, oh I don't know, a LOGISTICS SUIT?


Remove their extra high/low slots, they don't need it, just remove it and the balance becomes good.



^This is the truth

Maybe you have a point about logis not being meant to be as effective as being a frontline fighter as assaults.

But don't look no further...it's because of the game mechanics and stuff like that. Most players don't really care about logis and make our lives even harder. We're just better off to shoot people than actually play a supportive role (and this is how the logi-assault mentality was born).

So far for the mentality-part, let's take a deeper look at the logistics role?

I'm copy/pasting the definition of a Logistics role right here just because I thought it was awesom: The aspect of military operations that deals with the procurement, distribution, maintenance, and replacement of materiel and personnel.

In Dust this means that our job is to run around the battlefield repairing, reviving, dropping nanohives/uplinks/REs,....

That's alot of running to do and yet my suit has one of the worst speed and stamina -pool/ -regeneration (the stamina gets forgotten all the time!).
This is why I'm actually glad to have extra slots to fit a module named cardiac regulator. A module that is recommended to all logis out there!

Are the different dropsuits-stats effective enough to play their role?
Is the game ready for different roles on the battlefield?
Is a redesign of this game is in order?

Logos should not be slower and have less base HP.

The elitism is strong with this one...

*the -20 CPU isn't necessary it actually cripples us cal logis more than you would expect...

Just ignore these people. They want one imba fitting so they can have kills. They suck if they can't use the FotM. I also don't understand why people qq about that you now actually need the Engineering and Electronics skills for a decent fitting. That's what these skills are there for. You shouldn't be able to equip a complete proto fitting without these skills in the first place.

Don't judge how OP a weapon or suit is until you see it in PC with ALL Proto on both sides.

Its true though, how many of you have played against the best players in PC? I have and ZDub, thats 2 who else?

Don't judge how OP a weapon or suit is until you see it in PC with ALL Proto on both sides.

Your obviously not a logi if you talk about how logis should play in that manner. What you mean by "frontline" is a lot of tank. I'm a cal logi and I can withstand tons O' bullets by strafing jumping, shield and a little armor tanking, while repping a fatty who is gunning down the opponents with an HMG. So if you want to rip the logis to shreds so you can 2 shot them with your proto AR then you should know that the 1.3 updates nerfs cal logis enough* and buffs amar logis enough.

*the -20 CPU isn't necessary it actually cripples us cal logis more than you would expect...

Because proto vs proto PC matches are the only ones that happen in DUST

Ever.

A good squad knows to stay with its logi.

You are stubborn and can't see that this isn't useless, this is trade off.
Current logis trade too little for too much.

Its not even that... all proto on both sides is standard PC.

Try playing a match again synergy, teamplayers, hellstorm, imperfects, outer heaven, internal error, etc etc.

See how long you stand up in your logi suit, and tell me if you can even go positive in those matches against assault.

I'm not bad at this game, and I struggle to compete in a true support cal logi build (with 3 pieces of proto equipment).

Come 1.3, im just paper, and its not even worth trying to engaging in combat against opponents like that.

In fact its not even worth bringing a cal logi in battles like that.

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=96691&find=unread
What is with this menatllity of Logi players that they should be as effective at being a frontliprotne fighter as any assault player?
That's the whole point, you give up that power for 4 equipment slots.
You should have no other upsides other than that.

Doesn't mean that you can't fight, you're just not as effective, simple!

Assuming my idea gets implemented, where logi suits have the same high/low slot layout as their assault counter part, here is what you gain and lose (Assuming both have the same stuff in low and high):
+3 equipment slots (to a total of 4)
+CPU/PG
-60 base HP
-0.3 Speed
-Sidearm


Really?
Is that so bad?
Can you look at my eyes and seriously tell me you still can't fight?

You're just not as effective, but you become more effective at being a, oh I don't know, a LOGISTICS SUIT?


Remove their extra high/low slots, they don't need it, just remove it and the balance becomes good.



^This is the truth

Let me answer that question with another question. What is the mentality of armor tankers that they feel they should have the attributes of shield tankers.

You shouldnt be fast and mobile, you should fit your suits to have stellar eHP, you should win the first encounter, but after that you need to lay low for a while, or have a rep buddy to heal you and then you're ready again to win the next gunfight , you shouldnt have a mediocre tank with good regen.

armor tanking isnt designed for that for that purpose. If you wanted to fight like that you should've gotten shielded

Stubborn? It's always your way or the highway and I'm sick of it. Hell, I'm sick of the mentality everyone has of bringing **** down because they don't like it. For example, there's a D-Bag that had the audacity to make a topic about nerfing all the other logis becuase the CaLogi finally got rebalanced. You know what us real logis did when the whole logi vs assault thing started, we banned together and brainstormed ideas to make the assaults better.

....
Just...
Just...
Wow...
The stupidity in this post IS JUST TOO DAMN HIGH!

I'm sorry, but I skilled into weapon proficiency for a reason.

If I want to use my advanced SR with 12% more damage in order to at least shoot back and scare off opponents, I should be able to.

Main differences between Assault and Logi:

Assault:
-Faster shields
-Faster speed
-More health
-Sidearm
-Bonuses to combat and shields

Logi:
-More equipment
-More slots
-More cpu/pg
-More versatile
-Bonuses to specialized roles and self repair

You can be a support character no matter which specialization you go into. Some are just better than others at support. For instance, the Amarr and Caldari Logistics are much better at combat than the other logistics. The Gallente and Minmatar Assaults are actually much better at support than the other assaults.

I picked Minmatar Logistics because I like being a support class, but I also like being able to do whatever I want. You can speed/shield tank with it, or you can armor/damage tank with it. You can turn it into a speed hacker, or a demolitionist. It works great for AV, or wonderful as a pilot. You can be a close quarters shotgun or a long range laser/SR user. What it has in versatility and speed, it lacks in defense and power.

Aaahhh their are days when being an RPer makes a lot more simples. You and you silly people with your min/maxing me plug amarr suits and weapons job done :-P

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=96691&find=unread
What is with this menatllity of Logi players that they should be as effective at being a frontline fighter as any assault player?
That's the whole point, you give up that power for 4 equipment slots.
You should have no other upsides other than that.

Doesn't mean that you can't fight, you're just not as effective, simple!

Assuming my idea gets implemented, where logi suits have the same high/low slot layout as their assault counter part, here is what you gain and lose (Assuming both have the same stuff in low and high):
+3 equipment slots (to a total of 4)
+CPU/PG
-60 base HP
-0.3 Speed
-Sidearm


Really?
Is that so bad?
Can you look at my eyes and seriously tell me you still can't fight?

You're just not as effective, but you become more effective at being a, oh I don't know, a LOGISTICS SUIT?


Remove their extra high/low slots, they don't need it, just remove it and the balance becomes good.



^This is the truth

I'll trade you a low slot for a side arm, or atleast my speed and 60 HP :)

Then I'll take two equipment slots, because you're too similar to me then :P