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Maken Tosch
DUST University
Ivy League
3442
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Posted - 2013.07.22 18:58:00 -
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http://themittani.com/features/dust-514-flaylock-pistol-flay-2-win
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Reports are that Planetary Conquest has become an explosivefest. Full teams battle each other, relying on splash weapons more than harder-to-aim hitscan weapons. They've become chaotic flurries of flux grenades, fused locus grenades, thukkers, and - most prominently - flaylocks. Some people have even taken to using double-flaylock Minmatar gimmick suits in public matches, and they're doing frighteningly well. Why is this happening? How does the flaylock work? Is it really that good, or are people just bitching about being beaten by better players? Let's take a look.
It's a two-page report by Eltra Ardell concerning which flay lock in particular is overpowered and which one isn't in respect to their class and goes as far using variants of the mass driver as a base comparison. There is a lot of detailed math involved here so please read it carefully.
So before you folks go about creating more "nerf flay lock" threads, I suggest you read the entire article carefully with an open mind so that you can adjust your ideas accordingly. Of course, we like to see flay locks nerfed, but we don't want them to be useless either.
The mass driver and HMG suffered heavy nerfs because some of you folks who cried "nerf this" and "nerf that" were so vocal about your demands that you ignored the fact that nerfs are not something to be taken so lightly. |
ZDub 303
TeamPlayers
EoN.
1153
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Posted - 2013.07.22 19:01:00 -
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I'm not gonna lie... I wouldn't be bothered one bit if they were nerfed into complete uselessness. |
Xender17
Intrepidus XI
EoN.
349
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Posted - 2013.07.22 19:04:00 -
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ZDub 303 wrote:I'm not gonna lie... I wouldn't be bothered one bit if they were nerfed into complete uselessness.
I like the way this guy.
Uselessness sounds good...
Especially when I think about how many people well have wasted sp. |
gbghg
L.O.T.I.S.
RISE of LEGION
2730
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Posted - 2013.07.22 19:05:00 -
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ZDub 303 wrote:I'm not gonna lie... I wouldn't be bothered one bit if they were nerfed into complete uselessness.
I'm with this, I'm getting pissed off with the constant one shots and splash deaths I'm receiving as a scout, and the damn things are a freaking hazard to dropships. While for the sake of game balance and diversity it would be nice if it ended up like a scrambler pistol (deadly in the right hands) it's current spam is infuriating enough for me to not give a **** about that. |
Maken Tosch
DUST University
Ivy League
3442
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Posted - 2013.07.22 19:06:00 -
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ZDub 303 wrote:I'm not gonna lie... I wouldn't be bothered one bit if they were nerfed into complete uselessness.
Then I hope you're prepared to see a bunch of whiney "respec" threads if that were to happen. |
ZDub 303
TeamPlayers
EoN.
1153
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Posted - 2013.07.22 19:07:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:ZDub 303 wrote:I'm not gonna lie... I wouldn't be bothered one bit if they were nerfed into complete uselessness. Then I hope you're prepared to see a bunch of whiney "respec" threads if that were to happen.
I'm ready.. the more the better. CCP generally listens when half its forum base starts crying for something. |
Chris F2112
187.
League of Infamy
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Posted - 2013.07.22 19:10:00 -
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I specced into flaylock right away because I liked the idea of them. Why should I be stuck with a useless sidearm that I have sunk tons of SP into. Nerf the fire rate fine. But don't nerf them into uselessness. That's just dumb. |
gbghg
L.O.T.I.S.
RISE of LEGION
2731
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Posted - 2013.07.22 19:10:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:ZDub 303 wrote:I'm not gonna lie... I wouldn't be bothered one bit if they were nerfed into complete uselessness. Then I hope you're prepared to see a bunch of whiney "respec" threads if that were to happen.
They cried when the cal logi changes were announced, they cried when the tac AR was nerfed, they will cry when the flaylock gets nerfed. I for one find great amusement in the cries of scrubs as their crutches become dead weights, it's a kind of justice IMO. |
Daxxis KANNAH
Tronhadar Free Guard
Minmatar Republic
229
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Posted - 2013.07.22 19:11:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:ZDub 303 wrote:I'm not gonna lie... I wouldn't be bothered one bit if they were nerfed into complete uselessness. Then I hope you're prepared to see a bunch of whiney "respec" threads if that were to happen.
I am sure he already started as he was b!tchin about his cal logi being destroyed  |
Matticus Monk
Ordus Trismegistus
315
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Posted - 2013.07.22 19:13:00 -
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That's a good article. Well written and puts some good numbers behind the argument.
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Daxxis KANNAH
Tronhadar Free Guard
Minmatar Republic
229
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Posted - 2013.07.22 19:15:00 -
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Oh I just love this part Quote:The Core Flaylock only requires 621k SP, after all
So how much may I ask does it cost to skill into other weapons?????
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ZDub 303
TeamPlayers
EoN.
1157
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Posted - 2013.07.22 19:18:00 -
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Daxxis KANNAH wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:ZDub 303 wrote:I'm not gonna lie... I wouldn't be bothered one bit if they were nerfed into complete uselessness. Then I hope you're prepared to see a bunch of whiney "respec" threads if that were to happen. I am sure he already started as he was b!tchin about his cal logi being destroyed
I'm fine with my cal logi build, i'm bitching about the fact of the matter. |
Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
861
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Posted - 2013.07.22 19:19:00 -
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Having a tightly fought duel with an AR?
Better hope they don't have a flaylock. |
ZDub 303
TeamPlayers
EoN.
1157
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Posted - 2013.07.22 19:23:00 -
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Honestly, I think people are so jaded and bitter about them at this point that quite a few people would be happy to see them functionally removed from the game.
its really quite sad how long these have been left broken in the game. They should have been patched 2-3 weeks ago. |
Beren Hurin
K-A-O-S theory
786
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Posted - 2013.07.22 19:25:00 -
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Beware, I'm pretty sure the long term Goon strategy for Dust is generally make enough people pissed off so that they don't play and the game goes away.
Griefing is in their DNA. They play the White Knight/Black Knight (pick your persuasion), but in reality they are pretty much the puppetswarm controlled by a wall-streetesque puppeteering oligarchy who provides opiates for his masses cleverly branded as 'content'. I can only imagine some of the latest content involves getting players into Dust, only to complain and push the game in some way that tragically flaws the game out of existence.
I am sure Goons would so much love to be famous for killing Dust. |
Daxxis KANNAH
Tronhadar Free Guard
Minmatar Republic
229
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Posted - 2013.07.22 19:35:00 -
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Chunky Munkey wrote:Having a tightly fought duel with an AR?
Better hope they don't have a flaylock.
Well blame that on CCP's poor visuals - we have had weapon models on characters for quite some time now this gen.
They also usually whip them out early enough and prematurely start spamming as the fear hits them
- Now a good player will just erase you and all you can do is tip your hat and pop off another clone. |
Cat Merc
BetaMax.
CRONOS.
3464
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Posted - 2013.07.22 19:41:00 -
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ZDub 303 wrote:Honestly, I think people are so jaded and bitter about them at this point that quite a few people would be happy to see them functionally removed from the game.
its really quite sad how long these have been left broken in the game. They should have been patched 2-3 weeks ago.
They should have been balanced day one.
CPM played with the flaylock at Fanfest and outright told them - THIS IS OP, NERF THIS WTH ARE YOU DOING?! |
Doshneil Antaro
SVER True Blood
97
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Posted - 2013.07.22 20:08:00 -
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Noobtube main weapons, noobtube side arm, and noobtube grenades (contact), this game is designed so only 12 year Olds and griefers to enjoy. Nobody asked for a rocket sidearm, but yet it now exists. |
Asirius Medaius
Planetary Response Organization
47
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Posted - 2013.07.22 20:37:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:ZDub 303 wrote:I'm not gonna lie... I wouldn't be bothered one bit if they were nerfed into complete uselessness. Then I hope you're prepared to see a bunch of whiney "respec" threads if that were to happen.
And you don't see that now? |
Alaika Arbosa
Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc.
Interstellar Murder of Crows
680
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Posted - 2013.07.22 21:00:00 -
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Doshneil Antaro wrote:Noobtube main weapons, noobtube side arm, and noobtube grenades (contact), this game is designed so only 12 year Olds and griefers to enjoy. Nobody asked for a rocket sidearm, but yet it now exists.
Yeah, I think the Minmatar Sidearm would be better off being some BFG Revolver that fires shotgun slugs (or birdshot, either way much preferable to rockets). |
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Deluxe Edition
TeamPlayers
EoN.
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Posted - 2013.07.22 21:07:00 -
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Chris F2112 wrote:I specced into flaylock right away because I liked the idea of them. Why should I be stuck with a useless sidearm that I have sunk tons of SP into. Nerf the fire rate fine. But don't nerf them into uselessness. That's just dumb.
RoF nerf, Splash Damage needs to be at the highest half of the direct damage, and the blast radius needs to be nerfed. Direct damage also probly needs to be reduced so it doesn't 1 shot every armor tanked dropsuit outside of a heavy. It also needs to cost more CPU/PG than it currently does. |
Niuvo
The Phoenix Federation
273
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Posted - 2013.07.22 21:08:00 -
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Once the weapons are balanced, we'll see who truly is a good player! Kdr's will drop, some will rise. When I encounter a flaylok a jump back into safety if possible. These guys try to get at med to long range with this sh.... |
Provolonee
Undefined Risk
DARKSTAR ARMY
102
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Posted - 2013.07.22 21:30:00 -
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They should be looking at the "time to kill" on this weapon. how fast can you fire 3 rounds at somebody's feet. It's enough damage to pop any pro galente suit. If that is fine with Ccp, then the old viziam needs to be brought back so the counter to sheild suits also there. |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
5386
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Posted - 2013.07.22 21:34:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:The mass driver and HMG suffered heavy nerfs because some of you folks who cried "nerf this" and "nerf that" were so vocal about your demands that you ignored the fact that nerfs are not something to be taken so lightly.
Actually they suffered heavy nerfs because CCP doesn't have an experienced team of FPS developers, and they have no clue how to buff or nerf things properly, so it's just one gigantic crap shoot as to who is OP or UP at any given time.
It has NOTHING to do with forum whine |
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