A nerf to flaylocks will do much to help armor buffs. And grenades do make a bit imbalanced since most people use locus. The bonus to grenades needs to be evened out a bit for sure.

A nerf to flaylocks will do much to help armor buffs. And grenades do make a bit imbalanced since most people use locus. The bonus to grenades needs to be evened out a bit for sure.

I always thought it was silly to have the numbers between armor and shield so close together when armor doesn't get the same advantages as shields like fast regeneration and no speed penalty, as well as other factors like most weapons that dish out more damage to armor are splash damage making it hard to avoid while most weapons that dish out more damage to shields tend to overheat making it hard to shoot.

All of this, yet when you look at the Gallente and Caldari suits it's perfectly flipped
120 armor 210 shield
210 armor 120 shield

Even the armor modules do not give enough extra HP for all the inherent disadvantages of armor tanking. I was thinking something more like buffing the HP of all armor modules by 50%, but 30% may be enough.

I always thought it was silly to have the numbers between armor and shield so close together when armor doesn't get the same advantages as shields like fast regeneration and no speed penalty, as well as other factors like most weapons that dish out more damage to armor are splash damage making it hard to avoid while most weapons that dish out more damage to shields tend to overheat making it hard to shoot.

All of this, yet when you look at the Gallente and Caldari suits it's perfectly flipped
120 armor 210 shield
210 armor 120 shield

Even the armor modules do not give enough extra HP for all the inherent disadvantages of armor tanking. I was thinking something more like buffing the HP of all armor modules by 50%, but 30% may be enough.

I agree that armor needs a buff, but simply adding a larger buffer isn't going to be the best strategy in the long run. Shields can buffer, regen, and passive tank all at once, armor has to choose between regen and buffer tanking, sacrificing one for the other. Armor needs more tanking options like energized plating.

This is why armor needs passive armor repair, that way repair modules are a choice not a requirement. Energized playing is good but would only work in the high slots.

Disagree armor should be different from shields and NOT some wannabe shield half-brid.
Which is why even I propose higher base armor stats on the armor tanking suits

This would give my proto fit 1088 armor, I approve of this message.

Also, forge gun isn't anti armor, it's anti shield.

Most of that HP will be chewed through by a well placed locus
I am going by the list CCP gave earlier this month.

This would give my proto fit 1088 armor, I approve of this message.

Also, forge gun isn't anti armor, it's anti shield.

A passive armor repair not higher than 5 is no where near what shield gets for free. It just allows for more freedom when building your suit, having no armor repair forces us to lose a slot in order to survive shield doesn't even need regulators and rechargers those are just the cherry on top. Even 5 HP/s is nowhere near enough, at 5 HP/s it takes 1 minute 40 seconds to heal a decently tanked suit, and even then most armor suits can't even get 500 armor. On the other hand a decently shield tanked suit takes 26 seconds to recharge the same amount of HP and doesn't even require a module to do so!

Nerf their base shields by 30% and their movement speed by 30%

Is this true on the weapons? Why wouldnt a Sniper and Rail Rifle clean up shield tankers?

Just asking as I havent seen any numbers

You're both right. Armor tankers should have a higher base HP and some degree of base armor regen, maybe 2/3/5HP/s for STD/ADV/Proto. But overall, they need something to make them a viable choice over shields without trying to simply emulate them. That's why resistance plating and armor related bonuses would make sense. Face it, shield tankers armor tank better than armor tankers.

Or maybe the armor suits get a built in hardener so you dont mess with weapon ratings but still have more defence against those weapons.

A Flaylock or MD would wreck a Minmatar or Caldari suit if the user fluxed them but if he did so to a Gallente or Amarr he would need to use more rounds.

- I guess its basically the same thing. Only realized as I wrote it.

But it would stop some of the QQ from just seeing a higher value and then wanting it the same way for shields.

Yeah, exactly. Everyone is so obsessed with buffer tanking that it's ridiculous. My go-to ADV logi has ~200/200 shield/armor with 25/17 HP regen and 0 movement penalty. I take a hit, look seriously wounded when I retreat, but by the time someone turns the corner to finish me off, I'm already at full HP with the business end of a breach MD in their face. Buffer tanking is highly overrated.

Yeah, exactly. Everyone is so obsessed with buffer tanking that it's ridiculous. My go-to ADV logi has ~200/200 shield/armor with 25/17 HP regen and 0 movement penalty. I take a hit, look seriously wounded when I retreat, but by the time someone turns the corner to finish me off, I'm already at full HP with the business end of a breach MD in their face. Buffer tanking is highly overrated.

Note my idea is not regen but % reduction of damage done

- Gallente / Amarr armour better than others. That way Shield tankers could never benefit from this which is what I keep hearing as a major complaint.

They cant make it too strong though because then Gallente maybe Amarr have to lose a high slot