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2Bee Smith
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
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Posted - 2013.07.22 04:36:00 -
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First of all-- *Respec. Learn to spell Second of all, quit begging for one. The only time there should be a respec is when theres a MAJOR game-changing patch |
aden slayer
Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.07.22 04:40:00 -
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HTFU and deal with it whiners. No. More. Respecs. |
SILVERBACK 01
BetaMax. CRONOS.
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Posted - 2013.07.22 04:41:00 -
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so basically your saying...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VCBOp-4U8OM |
Iyllaria Dai
prophecy of the fallen
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Posted - 2013.07.22 05:15:00 -
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2Bee Smith wrote:First of all-- *Respec. Learn to spell Second of all, quit begging for one. The only time there should be a respec is when theres a MAJOR game-changing patch
*there's |
ZDub 303
TeamPlayers EoN.
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Posted - 2013.07.22 05:23:00 -
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Let me guess... you're completely unaffected by the changes presented in 1.3?
Easy to post things like this when its not you who's affected. |
2Bee Smith
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
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Posted - 2013.07.22 05:23:00 -
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Iyllaria Dai wrote:2Bee Smith wrote:First of all-- *Respec. Learn to spell Second of all, quit begging for one. The only time there should be a respec is when theres a MAJOR game-changing patch *there's What? |
Mintqueer
Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.07.22 05:29:00 -
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Giving out respec is the devil's idea, CCP shall not mess with it.
The bible should say something like " CCP made the clones to their image... unable to learn, irrational thinking and unable to use their knowledge in other areas" |
2Bee Smith
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
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Posted - 2013.07.22 05:29:00 -
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ZDub 303 wrote:Let me guess... you're completely unaffected by the changes presented in 1.3?
Easy to post things like this when its not you who's affected.
No, I'm not affected but that isn't not the point. They aren't flipping the tables on you. Losing some PG and your bonuses isn't the end of the world. You knew the Cal Logi was too powerful so CCP is simply re-balancing it. |
Logi Bro
Greatness Achieved Through Training EoN.
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Posted - 2013.07.22 05:34:00 -
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And what about when heavy variants are added? Are you going to make me grind my heavy alt from the start because you are an uncompromising a-hole? If you consider it to be a "major change" then how do you expect to stop Calogi/flaylock spammers to not get to change their FOTM?
Respecs are a necessary evil. |
2Bee Smith
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
14
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Posted - 2013.07.22 05:35:00 -
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Logi Bro wrote:And what about when heavy variants are added? Are you going to make me grind my heavy alt from the start because you are an uncompromising a-hole? If you consider it to be a "major change" then how do you expect to stop Calogi/flaylock spammers to not get to change their FOTM?
Respecs are a necessary evil.
Yes, yes I am. When all the racial weapons and dropsuit variants have been added, then and only then should there be a respec. |
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Logi Bro
Greatness Achieved Through Training EoN.
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Posted - 2013.07.22 05:40:00 -
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2Bee Smith wrote:Logi Bro wrote:And what about when heavy variants are added? Are you going to make me grind my heavy alt from the start because you are an uncompromising a-hole? If you consider it to be a "major change" then how do you expect to stop Calogi/flaylock spammers to not get to change their FOTM?
Respecs are a necessary evil. Yes, yes I am. When all the racial weapons and dropsuit variants have been added, then and only then should there be a respec.
And with that response you just removed any credibility I ever gave this thread. You are obviously a troll if you expect die-hard heavies to just suck it up and wait for racial vehicles before they get to play their race's heavy variant. What was it that a previous comment said? It's easy to talk when the changes don't effect you. |
2Bee Smith
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
14
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Posted - 2013.07.22 05:47:00 -
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Logi Bro wrote:2Bee Smith wrote:Logi Bro wrote:And what about when heavy variants are added? Are you going to make me grind my heavy alt from the start because you are an uncompromising a-hole? If you consider it to be a "major change" then how do you expect to stop Calogi/flaylock spammers to not get to change their FOTM?
Respecs are a necessary evil. Yes, yes I am. When all the racial weapons and dropsuit variants have been added, then and only then should there be a respec. And with that response you just removed any credibility I ever gave this thread. You are obviously a troll if you expect die-hard heavies to just suck it up and wait for racial vehicles before they get to play their race's heavy variant. What was it that a previous comment said? It's easy to talk when the changes don't effect you.
If you save all your possible SP for 1.5 months you could get to the prototype version of your race's Heavy Dropsuit (whenever they're added) Start saving now and I guarantee you'll have enough SP by the time the Cal/Gal/Min Heavy Dropsuits are here.
Stop acting as if respecs are the only thing that can save you
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ZDub 303
TeamPlayers EoN.
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Posted - 2013.07.22 05:48:00 -
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Honestly, i've posted Kain Spero's comment on this in a bunch of threads cause its true.
Until a meaningful baseline has been established, CCP should just refund SP everytime they make changes to suits. Its going to be a while before we have any semblance of balance for the basic suits we've got. So until then, just let people reallocate every time you change the stats on dropsuits and weapons.
Who cares if Cal Logis are currently OP and you are bitter they've been OP for so long. Is that the players fault they designed the suit that way? its been almost 3 months the suit has had this bonus.
Just saying "Oh you had it coming and you should have known better" is just bitter QQ from people who didn't spec into it and want people who did to "pay for being OP for so long". Its poisonous to the community to act like this and make threads like this.
For some people this is a major change. Let them readjust their hard earned SP every time CCP makes adjustments.
In this way CCP can also make whatever adjustments they deem necessary, as they won't have to worry about screwing over a portion of their player base every time they do. |
ZDub 303
TeamPlayers EoN.
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Posted - 2013.07.22 05:51:00 -
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and whats it to you? please tell me how you will be negatively affected by an SP reallocation?
Why should they not grant one? Why will it be so damaging to you that your needs should be considered over the obvious benefits quite a few people will receive if they did perform an SP reallocation? |
2Bee Smith
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
14
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Posted - 2013.07.22 05:51:00 -
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ZDub 303 wrote:Honestly, i've posted Kain Spero's comment on this in a bunch of threads cause its true.
Until a meaningful baseline has been established, CCP should just refund SP everytime they make changes to suits. Its going to be a while before we have any semblance of balance for the basic suits we've got. So until then, just let people reallocate every time you change the stats on dropsuits and weapons.
Who cares if Cal Logis are currently OP and you are bitter they've been OP for so long. Is that the players fault they designed the suit that way? its been almost 3 months the suit has had this bonus.
Just saying "Oh you had it coming and you should have known better" is just bitter QQ from people who didn't spec into it and want people who did to "pay for being OP for so long". Its poisonous to the community to act like this and make threads like this.
For some people this is a major change. Let them readjust their hard earned SP every time CCP makes adjustments.
In this way CCP can also make whatever adjustments they deem necessary, as they won't have to worry about screwing over a portion of their player base every time they do.
I don't care about Cal Logis being OP, and i'm not bitter. Cal Logis are nothing to a shotgun I'm tired of the Cal Logi guys acting as if the suit has been ruined and asking for respecs because one suit has been changed, its just plain annoying |
Logi Bro
Greatness Achieved Through Training EoN.
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Posted - 2013.07.22 05:52:00 -
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2Bee Smith wrote:Logi Bro wrote:2Bee Smith wrote:Logi Bro wrote:And what about when heavy variants are added? Are you going to make me grind my heavy alt from the start because you are an uncompromising a-hole? If you consider it to be a "major change" then how do you expect to stop Calogi/flaylock spammers to not get to change their FOTM?
Respecs are a necessary evil. Yes, yes I am. When all the racial weapons and dropsuit variants have been added, then and only then should there be a respec. And with that response you just removed any credibility I ever gave this thread. You are obviously a troll if you expect die-hard heavies to just suck it up and wait for racial vehicles before they get to play their race's heavy variant. What was it that a previous comment said? It's easy to talk when the changes don't effect you. If you save all your possible SP for 1.5 months you could get to the prototype version of your race's Heavy Dropsuit (whenever they're added) Start saving now and I guarantee you'll have enough SP by the time the Cal/Gal/Min Heavy Dropsuits are here. Stop acting as if respecs are the only thing that can save you
Some people can't spend their entire lives on this game, smart guy. I haven't cappped my SP once since the start of Uprising, because I have **** to do.
Stop acting as if the game caters for the convenience of people that have all the time they need to play, some people are lucky to have as much SP as they do, and need to respec. |
2Bee Smith
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
14
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Posted - 2013.07.22 05:54:00 -
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Logi Bro wrote:2Bee Smith wrote:Logi Bro wrote:2Bee Smith wrote:Logi Bro wrote:And what about when heavy variants are added? Are you going to make me grind my heavy alt from the start because you are an uncompromising a-hole? If you consider it to be a "major change" then how do you expect to stop Calogi/flaylock spammers to not get to change their FOTM?
Respecs are a necessary evil. Yes, yes I am. When all the racial weapons and dropsuit variants have been added, then and only then should there be a respec. And with that response you just removed any credibility I ever gave this thread. You are obviously a troll if you expect die-hard heavies to just suck it up and wait for racial vehicles before they get to play their race's heavy variant. What was it that a previous comment said? It's easy to talk when the changes don't effect you. If you save all your possible SP for 1.5 months you could get to the prototype version of your race's Heavy Dropsuit (whenever they're added) Start saving now and I guarantee you'll have enough SP by the time the Cal/Gal/Min Heavy Dropsuits are here. Stop acting as if respecs are the only thing that can save you Some people can't spend their entire lives on this game, smart guy. I haven't cappped my SP once since the start of Uprising, because I have **** to do. Stop acting as if the game caters for the convenience of people that have all the time they need to play, some people are lucky to have as much SP as they do, and need to respec.
Then wait 3 months, you should be busy with the things you have to do in real life that 3 months won't even matter and besides, Heavy Racial Variants probably won't be out by then
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ZDub 303
TeamPlayers EoN.
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Posted - 2013.07.22 05:54:00 -
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2Bee Smith wrote:I don't care about Cal Logis being OP, and i'm not bitter. Cal Logis are nothing to a shotgun I'm tired of the Cal Logi guys acting as if the suit has been ruined and asking for respecs because one suit has been changed, its just plain annoying
A hard truth here buddy.
But nobody cares that you find it annoying. |
DRDEEZE TWO POINTO
Foxhound Corporation General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2013.07.22 06:00:00 -
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But I want a respec cause I speced into gallente suit but instead I want to be caldari. |
Logi Bro
Greatness Achieved Through Training EoN.
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Posted - 2013.07.22 06:01:00 -
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2Bee Smith wrote:Then wait 3 months, you should be busy with the things you have to do in real life that 3 months won't even matter and besides, Heavy Racial Variants probably won't be out by then
And like I said, comments like this only prove your trolliness more. First of all, my heavy is an alt, and does not receive passive SP.
Second of all, all of the SP that I have earned through playing and that I have spent on Amarr Heavy since I had no other place to put it would be completely wasted. And why? Because some little whiner like you advocates for no respecs since you get your jollies from making other people's lives harder. Because, honestly, what other good excuse have you actually given that is reasonable to not give respecs? None. |
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2Bee Smith
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
15
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Posted - 2013.07.22 06:03:00 -
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ZDub 303 wrote:2Bee Smith wrote:I don't care about Cal Logis being OP, and i'm not bitter. Cal Logis are nothing to a shotgun I'm tired of the Cal Logi guys acting as if the suit has been ruined and asking for respecs because one suit has been changed, its just plain annoying A hard truth here buddy. But nobody cares that you find it annoying.
Are you sure? I could find plenty of people tired of respec advocates
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Iyllaria Dai
prophecy of the fallen
22
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Posted - 2013.07.22 06:03:00 -
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2Bee Smith wrote:ZDub 303 wrote:Honestly, i've posted Kain Spero's comment on this in a bunch of threads cause its true.
Until a meaningful baseline has been established, CCP should just refund SP everytime they make changes to suits. Its going to be a while before we have any semblance of balance for the basic suits we've got. So until then, just let people reallocate every time you change the stats on dropsuits and weapons.
Who cares if Cal Logis are currently OP and you are bitter they've been OP for so long. Is that the players fault they designed the suit that way? its been almost 3 months the suit has had this bonus.
Just saying "Oh you had it coming and you should have known better" is just bitter QQ from people who didn't spec into it and want people who did to "pay for being OP for so long". Its poisonous to the community to act like this and make threads like this.
For some people this is a major change. Let them readjust their hard earned SP every time CCP makes adjustments.
In this way CCP can also make whatever adjustments they deem necessary, as they won't have to worry about screwing over a portion of their player base every time they do. I don't care about Cal Logis being OP, and i'm not bitter. Cal Logis are nothing to a shotgun I'm tired of the Cal Logi guys acting as if the suit has been ruined and asking for respecs because one suit has been changed, its just plain annoying
*there's was in response to your correcting peoples spelling. If you're going to correct spelling, correct your grammar.
As for Cal Logi's.. it's a CPU, NOT PG nerf. It greatly affects Basic and Adv suits, little affect to Proto. However, the fact that it does NOTHING for Logiassault which all the QQ about our suits has been is ridiculous. It is still possible to reach 1100EHP with a CORE Flaylock and Nades.
While I don't advocate LogiAssault, I do advocate play your own style, which I assumed from playing EvE that Dust was to be the same. Yet it seems Dust is more of a play QQ crybabies style or you might get nerfed.
The fact they are screwing with 2 suits, and breaking the ONLY balanced suit in the game, shows they further cater to the QQ crowd, not statistics. There were better ways to implement this "rebalance".
Either way my MD and Cal Logi suit will still do it's job and ride out this bump in the road and see what they do to fix our suits in the end. |
ZDub 303
TeamPlayers EoN.
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Posted - 2013.07.22 06:07:00 -
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2Bee Smith wrote:ZDub 303 wrote:2Bee Smith wrote:I don't care about Cal Logis being OP, and i'm not bitter. Cal Logis are nothing to a shotgun I'm tired of the Cal Logi guys acting as if the suit has been ruined and asking for respecs because one suit has been changed, its just plain annoying A hard truth here buddy. But nobody cares that you find it annoying. Are you sure? I could find plenty of people tired of respec advocates
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2Bee Smith
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
15
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Posted - 2013.07.22 06:07:00 -
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Logi Bro wrote:2Bee Smith wrote:Then wait 3 months, you should be busy with the things you have to do in real life that 3 months won't even matter and besides, Heavy Racial Variants probably won't be out by then
And like I said, comments like this only prove your trolliness more. First of all, my heavy is an alt, and does not receive passive SP. Second of all, all of the SP that I have earned through playing and that I have spent on Amarr Heavy since I had no other place to put it would be completely wasted. And why? Because some little whiner like you advocates for no respecs since you get your jollies from making other people's lives harder. Because, honestly, what other good excuse have you actually given that is reasonable to not give respecs? None.
You want a respec so you can go to the next FOTM, that'll get nerfed and guess what, you'll ask for another respec.
This game is an MMO, you live with your choices and move on And like I said before, when all the base content is out (racial suits, weapons, and vehicles) you can have your respec. That I have no problem with but this thread was directed at the Calogi whiners, not heavies
Tip: Make a new PSN, that way you can gain passive SP on an Alt
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Epicsting pro
Planetary Response Organization
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Posted - 2013.07.22 06:09:00 -
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I new it ammar logistic was the best choice, but idc if they give us a respec I remember back in the day were they said no respecs ever. But I won't mind one it just let's me skill up for the new meta counter. |
2Bee Smith
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
16
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Posted - 2013.07.22 06:11:00 -
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Iyllaria Dai wrote:2Bee Smith wrote:ZDub 303 wrote:Honestly, i've posted Kain Spero's comment on this in a bunch of threads cause its true.
Until a meaningful baseline has been established, CCP should just refund SP everytime they make changes to suits. Its going to be a while before we have any semblance of balance for the basic suits we've got. So until then, just let people reallocate every time you change the stats on dropsuits and weapons.
Who cares if Cal Logis are currently OP and you are bitter they've been OP for so long. Is that the players fault they designed the suit that way? its been almost 3 months the suit has had this bonus.
Just saying "Oh you had it coming and you should have known better" is just bitter QQ from people who didn't spec into it and want people who did to "pay for being OP for so long". Its poisonous to the community to act like this and make threads like this.
For some people this is a major change. Let them readjust their hard earned SP every time CCP makes adjustments.
In this way CCP can also make whatever adjustments they deem necessary, as they won't have to worry about screwing over a portion of their player base every time they do. I don't care about Cal Logis being OP, and i'm not bitter. Cal Logis are nothing to a shotgun I'm tired of the Cal Logi guys acting as if the suit has been ruined and asking for respecs because one suit has been changed, its just plain annoying *there's was in response to your correcting peoples spelling. If you're going to correct spelling, correct your grammar. As for Cal Logi's.. it's a CPU, NOT PG nerf. It greatly affects Basic and Adv suits, little affect to Proto. However, the fact that it does NOTHING for Logiassault which all the QQ about our suits has been is ridiculous. It is still possible to reach 1100EHP with a CORE Flaylock and Nades. While I don't advocate LogiAssault, I do advocate play your own style, which I assumed from playing EvE that Dust was to be the same. Yet it seems Dust is more of a play QQ crybabies style or you might get nerfed. The fact they are screwing with 2 suits, and breaking the ONLY balanced suit in the game, shows they further cater to the QQ crowd, not statistics. There were better ways to implement this "rebalance". Either way my MD and Cal Logi suit will still do it's job and ride out this bump in the road and see what they do to fix our suits in the end.
Using Respects instead of Respec isn't a spelling problem, its a usage problem. I should've clarified that And I think you're missing the point of this post, the Caldari Logi isn't dead so don't whine for a respec, thats all I'm saying
btw, the Calogi wan't the "only balanced suit". You'd have to be joking in order to say that, it did the role of a heavy better than a heavy and the role of an assault better than an assault.
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The Robot Devil
BetaMax. CRONOS.
688
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Posted - 2013.07.22 06:17:00 -
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So whenever they decide to add content or change anything we should get a respec? No. It's not that bad. I don't want to see anyone "punished" but there has to be a stopping point or there is no need for SP.
SP reallocation creates bad data by allowing things to change too quickly and skewing what gear is used in what way.
Repecs exacerbate the flavor of the month problem and cause more nerfs than are needed.
Refunded SP also hurts the idea of the game and the premise set by New Eden and the idea that choices have consequences.
Re specialization also creates more respecs buy setting precedent.
Last but not least HTFU because this is New Eden and choice count. It is just a game. |
kiro of justice
Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation
17
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Posted - 2013.07.22 06:19:00 -
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Calilogi's should suffer for what they've done.
No respecs. |
OZAROW
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. League of Infamy
204
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Posted - 2013.07.22 06:25:00 -
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2Bee Smith wrote:ZDub 303 wrote:Honestly, i've posted Kain Spero's comment on this in a bunch of threads cause its true.
Until a meaningful baseline has been established, CCP should just refund SP everytime they make changes to suits. Its going to be a while before we have any semblance of balance for the basic suits we've got. So until then, just let people reallocate every time you change the stats on dropsuits and weapons.
Who cares if Cal Logis are currently OP and you are bitter they've been OP for so long. Is that the players fault they designed the suit that way? its been almost 3 months the suit has had this bonus.
Just saying "Oh you had it coming and you should have known better" is just bitter QQ from people who didn't spec into it and want people who did to "pay for being OP for so long". Its poisonous to the community to act like this and make threads like this.
For some people this is a major change. Let them readjust their hard earned SP every time CCP makes adjustments.
In this way CCP can also make whatever adjustments they deem necessary, as they won't have to worry about screwing over a portion of their player base every time they do. I don't care about Cal Logis being OP, and i'm not bitter. Cal Logis are nothing to a shotgun I'm tired of the Cal Logi guys acting as if the suit has been ruined and asking for respecs because one suit has been changed, its just plain annoying Not to mention scouts haven't posted ONE RESPEC THREAD! We have been kicked to the gutter since chrome, suit stats, hit detection, hit box increase, stamina nerf, everyone strafing like us an jumping better, shotguns crap, knives crap, and yet we just say please fix it! You wanted to be a logistics an now you are, deal wit it!
Grown men on here crying I want respec, translates as "daddy said I could ride my bike on Friday but realzed it was broke so he fixed it an now I have a pink tire so I m not riding my bike no more, I'll walk!"
Be lucky you have a bike foo ! You might get a new one if you quit bugging the f@(/< out of daddy! Damn! |
ZDub 303
TeamPlayers EoN.
1131
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Posted - 2013.07.22 06:29:00 -
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The Robot Devil wrote:So whenever they decide to add content or change anything we should get a respec? No. It's not that bad. I don't want to see anyone "punished" but there has to be a stopping point or there is no need for SP.
SP reallocation creates bad data by allowing things to change too quickly and skewing what gear is used in what way.
Repecs exacerbate the flavor of the month problem and cause more nerfs than are needed.
Refunded SP also hurts the point of the game and the premise set by New Eden and the idea that choices have consequences.
Re specialization also creates more respecs buy setting precedent.
Last but not least HTFU because this is New Eden and choices count. It is just a game.
flavor of the month is caused by CCPs inability to rebalance weapons in a timely manner.
Choices don't have consequences when a game is in this much flux, how can you make a meaningful choice on what to spend your SP on when everything you choose to or not to spec into will not be the same in 2-3 months time? |
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