You forget one thing: proto AV can solo any tanker, regardless of the tanker's skill. By the time we figure out what's happening, we're dead. There's nothing we can do about hidden forge gunners and invisible swarms.

Also, you are dedicated AV. You are not a dedicated tanker. Please don't tell us what to do, because we know what to do. It's just this broken balance that causes us to lose.

tbh you sound like you don't know what you're talking about and you're just spewing words that you hope make you sound smart...

Not sure if troll.

TBH I miss tanks.
They were scary once. It took coordination and effort to bring down the beefiest ones.
Now? Its all LOLtanks for any moron with protoswarms or AV nades.

I am not a dedicated AV player. That role doesn't actually exist. If you have a million SP in forge or swarms and nades you're set to harass or kill just about the meanest tankers all by your clever self.

I kill tanks all the bloody time. I shouldn't. I should need more AV or rail tanks.

So, while I guess you are trying to he helpful (and I like that) the problem is not one of tactics but one of balance.

That said, where the proto tanks at??? If pro tanks are beast in contrast to pro AV ill shut up. But I doubt they will get anything but a one module and some CPU. :/
Ill cross my fingers the pilot suit is useful.

And most of the advise in the OP is standard use of HAV's, I'm sorry but its nothing new to anyone who has been running HAV's for any amount of time.

But you don't drive tanks, so why are you suggesting things?

You forget one thing: proto AV can solo any tanker, regardless of the tanker's skill. By the time we figure out what's happening, we're dead. There's nothing we can do about hidden forge gunners and invisible swarms.

Also, you are dedicated AV. You are not a dedicated tanker. Please don't tell us what to do, because we know what to do. It's just this broken balance that causes us to lose.

Edit: your tips are nothing new. We destroy turrets whenever possible because, hey, free WPs. We know to call them in safe areas (also, WTF has that got to do with AV vs HAVs). We kill dropships for the same reason as turrets. I didn't bother reading the tactics because they are probably nothing new, I will not have you tell us what to do, and I'm ******* tired right now to read your essay.

Second edit: ok, I glanced through your tactics. Again, nothing new. And again, there's nothing in regards with dealing with forge gun snipers and invisible swarms. Those are unbeatable and you can only hope you can get out of sight before they pop you.

Your tactics are all valid and useful.

Assuming you're in an armour tank, not a shield tank.

And armour tanks are apparently losing 2/3 of their repair capabilities, bringing them in line with the (lack of) survivability shield tankers have.

I'll adapt when the game gives me options other than "play as my enemies" and "stop driving tanks and skill into LLAVs". Until then, I'm a Caldari HAV driver who doesn't have any valid options.

I run a Scout, an AV character, and my tank character. I can perform effectively as a Scout in spite of some recent nerfs to an already-weaker playstyle. I can perform well as AV, even though I'm not able to hold my own during infantry combat. What I can't do is keep my horribly broken underpowered tank from getting slaughtered every time it shows up.

If it didn't sound like CCP are going to be nerfing armour tanks, then I'd just be calling for a buff to my shield tanks to bring them into line with the competition. Right now, with the "broken" repairers, armour tanks are well-balanced against AV. Instead of "fixing" repairers to work as described, they should fix the description to match actual effect, and buff shield tanks appropriately.

You can dumb it down all you want... once you actually drive a tank.

Observation =/= Experience.

Let me guess, you think you should be promoted to CEO instead of janitor at the place you work because you think you can do the job better than he can. Or maybe you're still in school... yes, that makes more sense.

The audacity of children these days....

Yeah because two swarms and a forge gun on top of a tower leaves me a lot of room to position myself properly. When av can see the entire map and can practically shoot the entire map it must be the tankers fault for coming out of the redline. And don't tell me shoot the dropship before it gets up there when you can easily fly behind the structure.

O_o

Well, this explains why you support any HAV going into urban at all...

This would be like a person in a rifter QQing because they can't take out a titan

okay why nerf Armor tanks when you could buff shield tanks?

You can dumb it down all you want... once you actually drive a tank.

I don't remember... do you tank?

If not... who are you to tell us how to tank?

Don't you run around with a standard plasma cannon? Wouldn't really consider that being a dedicated AV player more of a nuisance than anything lol

Do you even tank bro?

So no. When you wrote this post.. no

So then you're soloing militia tanks, and very basically fit Madrugars and Gunnlogis.

I'll space it out, too.

You can lolAVstomp the Sica, Soma, and base-HP Madrugars and Gunnlogis. I doubt you can solo tankers that have an idea of what you're doing. You shouldn't be able to solo a tank, anyway. But that's not fair, you say. It's entirely fair. SP requirements for AV are a pittance against SP requirements for an effective tank. What's your SP pool, 4-5mil? That's enough for a Duvolle, spec'd to the gills. If we don't have armor and shield skills maxed, we're losing on some defenses. But so do suits, you say. The only thing that tracks infantry currently are the tracking locus grenades, which were nerfed down to one carried. So to use those effectively, you need to be tethered to a supply depot.

It's basically the same with AV grenades. They don't require any forethought. Just throw, and profit.

It's easy to solo crap fit tanks. Much harder to destroy two or more communicating and working together. I had a Gunnlogi survive PRO AV and two orbs in a match. Why? Because I'm not stupid. As far as I can remember, I've seen you on the other side once. You had four tankers and 3 other guys with PRO AV. I had two other people in my squad, one with a tank. Were circumstances equal, my squad would've won the tank/AV war.

Bring that "my first tank" to a PC fight. or better yet, bring a 2.5 mil kitted out one that gets 4 shotted by some douchebag who's out of render range while your directional indicator is lying to you about where the hits are coming from.

"I only used this for a day against people who for the most part, either could not give one less of a ****, or were crap anyways. Y'all need to stop crying that you get killed in your tanks that cost 5x more than mine(for minimal survivability increases) did and required skilling into, which were lost in real fights."

Still waiting to see you try out these "higher tactics" you speak of.

I'll drop a basic fit Soma for you to roll around in.

I reply to posts in the order I read them. I don't reply to one or two out of a whole thread. I don't dual mouse, and I don't dual screen. I open the reply in another tab, do that, then continue reading. So it'll appear delayed, because I like to read every post in order, while replying to some.

Wow, another thread started by someone who doesn't operate vehicles trying to give advice and make suggestions. But all I hear is nerf this nerf that, buff this buff that. Props to the real tankers who've posted in this thread.

Mister thread starter, your "tips" could be found in the complete idiots guide to tanking. even then i wouldn't follow them to the T.

My primary target is other tanks, not a forge gunner.

Use cover? What a wonderful idea.

If a player runs at me with AV nades, they're stupid. A talented AV operative will stay in cover until I ride right by them, and pop out and unload their stash. If you can't pop a merc running at you, then you've got bigger issues than your incompetent "guide".

Destroy turrets? That's up there with using cover...you'll find these blatantly obvious tips on the back cover of your complete idiots guide to tanking.

Destroy supply depots if they are in enemy occupied territory. If your blues are rockin a specific objective, leave the supply depot alone so they can switch to AV and take that enemy tank out before he blows you to hell, cuz he'll be gunning for you.

I'll call in an HAV wherever i feel like it...you aren't my boss, or my mama.

Here's a suggestion. Instead of backing around corners to prevent exposing yourself, drive in reverse all the time. It takes some getting used to, but you'll minimize your hit box when firing from cover if you drive in reverse. additionally, your headlights won't be shining on the ground in front of you, potentially warning the enemy that you are approaching....but i'm sure you already knew all this.

Taking out dropships is a good tip. But even if they drop their forge gun baddies on a tower, if you are in the forge gunner's range, he's in range of your rail turret. Blast away.

Be on the look out for remote explosives? I run them over on purpose cuz i'm a badass.

Invisible swarms suck, this is true. They were supposed to fix this with rendering at distance with 1.3.

Forge gun damage at range has been nerfed along with every other weapon in the game when they reach their absolute range.

Vehicle price is fine. Turrets are expensive...reduce turret price.




Worst guide ever.

Wow. A new master tank has arrived. I guess I'll see you in PC and see how long you last- not to me but when you find out that every person ony team has at least 2 kinds of proto av.

DeadlyAztec, you obviously need to replace your guide with mine, it's much better.

Be like water, scrublet :)

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