DUST Search - Wiyrkomi swarms vs madrugar

Takahiro Kashuken wrote:

Assert Dominance wrote:

Wiyrkomi swarms, 3 complex dmg mods. Chasing down railgun tank on mountain. Drop nanos, spam proto nades (5). While tank drives away, i let off 3 swarm attack. LOLunderpowered tank leaves with half health replenishing everything that has damaged it. I lol @ your petitions, the qq threads...

I agree tanks deserve a price cut, but i know a tankers dream is to go into a pub with a proto tank that average blue dots will never destroy and go 50-0 regularly. If only my protosuits were invulnerable to getting obliteraded by militia locus nades. Maybe us assaulters should petition for that...

lolno

Only way that tank can survive is if big ******* if that at least 3 of your nades miss and all 3 swarms missed

But i dont believe you in the slightest

I played a PC match yday against SI

Half the time my shield didnt exist and other tanks were not that much of a problem

It was the infantry will lolswarms and lolavnades

Even with my repper on the both resistance mods i still got 2 shot by lolprotoswarms because they bend around corners

So with everything running i get 2 shot by protoswarms with prob at least 3damage mods on, so taking an extra volley and 5 proto AV nades called Lai Dai and that tank survived i call utter BS on that scenario

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Tech Ohm Eaven L.O.T.I.S. RISE of LEGION 620	Posted - 2013.07.21 22:31:00 - [31] - Quote stlcarlos989 wrote: The only ones who say tanks are underpowered are the ones who fit them to be glass cannons and don't fit them to tank. agreed.
ZDub 303 TeamPlayers EoN. 1115	Posted - 2013.07.21 22:32:00 - [32] - Quote Tech Ohm Eaven wrote: ZDub 303 wrote: Assert Dominance wrote: ZDub 303 wrote: All I can think when I see this is... "You're bad and you should feel bad". With that much damage in the proper hands, I can't think of any tank that could survive. Im bad bcause the tank im hitting with proto av doesnt die lolol, makes sense, it eventually went down after hunting it the entire game. Honestly though.. You must have suffered hit detection issues or something. I can't think of a tank that could survive that much dps. I've thrown 5 hacked Ex-0 nades at high high level maddys and watched them get down to about 20% armor. This was through reps. You sure all 5 nades and all of the swarm missiles actually landed? oceania server you up for some tests ???? I have neither a high level maddy nor wiyrkomi swarms though, so nothing we could really test.
Xocoyol Zaraoul Superior Genetics 848	Posted - 2013.07.21 22:46:00 - [33] - Quote If it was a shield tank, and long intervals between hits, I might have believed this... But I can't. Something missed in your attacks, a lot of something.
THUNDERGROOVE ZionTCD 92	Posted - 2013.07.21 23:03:00 - [34] - Quote Assert Dominance wrote: Wiyrkomi swarms, 3 complex dmg mods. Chasing down railgun tank on mountain. Drop nanos, spam proto nades (5). While tank drives away, i let off 3 swarm attack. LOLunderpowered tank leaves with half health replenishing everything that has damaged it. I lol @ your petitions, the qq threads... I agree tanks deserve a price cut, but i know a tankers dream is to go into a pub with a proto tank that average blue dots will never destroy and go 50-0 regularly. If only my protosuits were invulnerable to getting obliteraded by militia locus nades. Maybe us assaulters should petition for that... Your proto suit doesn't cost over 2 million ISK and that's for a STD, meh fit tank with just an okay turret. Maybe if your post had more information about the tank. It very likely was a shield tank, so it will just eat your swarms and AV grenades for breakfast. You should use some AV that actually requires skill If it's not a shield tank, you're just a liar.
Kane Fyea DUST University Ivy League 1365	Posted - 2013.07.21 23:08:00 - [35] - Quote BobThe 844-1 CakeMan wrote: Cat Merc wrote: It's not unebelieveable. I saw a tanker survive three people with proto swarms trying to take him down. I really think tanks being underpowered is exaggerated. were they shooting armor or shields? Shield tanks are easier for me to destroy then armor. (Flux grenades anyone?)
Kane Fyea DUST University Ivy League 1365	Posted - 2013.07.21 23:15:00 - [36] - Quote THUNDERGROOVE wrote: Assert Dominance wrote: Wiyrkomi swarms, 3 complex dmg mods. Chasing down railgun tank on mountain. Drop nanos, spam proto nades (5). While tank drives away, i let off 3 swarm attack. LOLunderpowered tank leaves with half health replenishing everything that has damaged it. I lol @ your petitions, the qq threads... I agree tanks deserve a price cut, but i know a tankers dream is to go into a pub with a proto tank that average blue dots will never destroy and go 50-0 regularly. If only my protosuits were invulnerable to getting obliteraded by militia locus nades. Maybe us assaulters should petition for that... Your proto suit doesn't cost over 2 million ISK and that's for a STD, meh fit tank with just an okay turret. Maybe if your post had more information about the tank. It very likely was a shield tank, so it will just eat your swarms and AV grenades for breakfast. You should use some AV that actually requires skill If it's not a shield tank, you're just a liar. Can you tell me what AV requires skill? Don't say Plasma Cannon because everyone knows that's an anti infantry weapon.
Eurydice Itzhak Militaires Sans Jeux 126	Posted - 2013.07.21 23:16:00 - [37] - Quote Someone give me the stats on packed Lai dai and wyrkomi. I'll show you how impossible this is.
Kane Fyea DUST University Ivy League 1365	Posted - 2013.07.21 23:18:00 - [38] - Quote Eurydice Itzhak wrote: Someone give me the stats on packed Lai dai and wyrkomi. I'll show you how impossible this is. Proto swarms = 1980 total damage and 330 per swarms. I'm not in the game so I can't tell you the av grenades damage.
ZDub 303 TeamPlayers EoN. 1124	Posted - 2013.07.21 23:28:00 - [39] - Quote Eurydice Itzhak wrote: Someone give me the stats on packed Lai dai and wyrkomi. I'll show you how impossible this is. Lai Dai Packed are 1760 hp Direct Damage. However... OP said he was using Wiyrkomi AV Nades too.
Gogo O'Dell Psygod9 RISE of LEGION 3	Posted - 2013.07.21 23:34:00 - [40] - Quote If you have proto AV of any kind and you cant solo a tank, you are bad at what you do bc all the good tankers have left and no hav u encounter will be that good. you suck at AV. go ask someone like Cubs or D S (actualy AV players) how easy it is to kill a tank. They'll tell you the same thing I did- you suck.

DJINN leukoplast Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 802	Posted - 2013.07.21 23:56:00 - [41] - Quote Assert Dominance wrote: Wiyrkomi swarms, 3 complex dmg mods. Chasing down railgun tank on mountain. Drop nanos, spam proto nades (5). While tank drives away, i let off 3 swarm attack. LOLunderpowered tank leaves with half health replenishing everything that has damaged it. I lol @ your petitions, the qq threads... I agree tanks deserve a price cut, but i know a tankers dream is to go into a pub with a proto tank that average blue dots will never destroy and go 50-0 regularly. If only my protosuits were invulnerable to getting obliteraded by militia locus nades. Maybe us assaulters should petition for that... Yup, all the tankers are heavy in QQ mode about how weak and useless they are, but when you are the one with AV trying to take them out, you quickly recognize their QQ as irrelevant and know all they want is to be invincible. Couple of nights ago me and a full squad joined into a near empty OMS match (it was like 6 vs 6 the entire time). We had played the same guys in the previous match and knew they would be tanking, so we brought some AV to deal with the tank. Well, we chased that thing all over the map, constantly hitting with swarms and proto AV nades, then we finally cornered it. Swarms and AV nades were slamming into the tank over and over and over, it just shrugs most of it off as insect bites... then it tries to drives away once we finally whittled down it's health, gimping on fire, and the last swarm volley finally got it (although it almost made it away safely). You want to know the scary thing about this is? Tankers don't even have proto since CCP took it away somewhat recently. Just imagine how invincible they would be if they got buffed AND got their proto tanks back.
Mintqueer Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 10	Posted - 2013.07.22 00:14:00 - [42] - Quote Bad AV users shouldn't have a say on vehicle matter, unless you blow a 100 tanks from top 10 tankers then there is a say
Jason Pearson Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 2011	Posted - 2013.07.22 00:19:00 - [43] - Quote Scheneighnay McBob wrote: Very true- tankers ask for prototype tanks, while standard tanks still need proto AV to destroy them Bad. Getting Prototype Tanks in would mean we could effectively balance the entire thing, meaning Prototype swarms would obliterate Standard Tanks, whereas Standard AV would never be a significant counter to Prototype Tanks unless there's a crew of standard AVers fighting it. Also, I covered your problems here. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=96292&find=unread
Eurydice Itzhak Militaires Sans Jeux 127	Posted - 2013.07.22 01:24:00 - [44] - Quote 4913 dmg done from the swarms assuming they didn't hit the sweet spot. 8180 dmg done from the grenades. What tank takes 13k dmg and is at half health? No tank. Ever. This assumes the tank had a hardener running. No tank has 26k ehp. No tank ever.
Kane Fyea DUST University Ivy League 1369	Posted - 2013.07.22 01:28:00 - [45] - Quote Eurydice Itzhak wrote: 4913 dmg done from the swarms assuming they didn't hit the sweet spot. 8180 dmg done from the grenades. What tank takes 13k dmg and is at half health? No tank. Ever. This assumes the tank had a hardener running. No tank has 26k ehp. No tank ever. Armor repairs quite fast though. I've had tanks that have gave me a run for my money but not quite this bad. Anyways OP is not good at AV and anyone who thinks otherwise is a dumbass.
Eurydice Itzhak Militaires Sans Jeux 127	Posted - 2013.07.22 01:30:00 - [46] - Quote Kane Fyea wrote: Eurydice Itzhak wrote: 4913 dmg done from the swarms assuming they didn't hit the sweet spot. 8180 dmg done from the grenades. What tank takes 13k dmg and is at half health? No tank. Ever. This assumes the tank had a hardener running. No tank has 26k ehp. No tank ever. Armor repairs quite fast though. I've had tanks that have gave me a run for my money but not quite this bad. Anyways OP is not good at AV and anyone who thinks otherwise is a dumbass. Go ahead and do the math. No tank takes 13k dmg and is at half health. Literally impossible.
Kane Fyea DUST University Ivy League 1369	Posted - 2013.07.22 01:30:00 - [47] - Quote Scheneighnay McBob wrote: Very true- tankers ask for prototype tanks, while standard tanks still need proto AV to destroy them I destroy tanks all the time with advanced AV. Only a few I had to take out my proto AV (It usually is that I died a couple of times and get mad and just want them off the field at that point)
Kane Fyea DUST University Ivy League 1369	Posted - 2013.07.22 01:34:00 - [48] - Quote Eurydice Itzhak wrote: Kane Fyea wrote: Eurydice Itzhak wrote: 4913 dmg done from the swarms assuming they didn't hit the sweet spot. 8180 dmg done from the grenades. What tank takes 13k dmg and is at half health? No tank. Ever. This assumes the tank had a hardener running. No tank has 26k ehp. No tank ever. Armor repairs quite fast though. I've had tanks that have gave me a run for my money but not quite this bad. Anyways OP is not good at AV and anyone who thinks otherwise is a dumbass. Go ahead and do the math. No tank takes 13k dmg and is at half health. Literally impossible. Well I believe you man. Just saying that I have had problems with tanks like this before. (Not quite this bad though lol) I don't think they're OP either. (I actually want shield tanks to be buffed instead of armor tanks being nerfed)
Assert Dominance Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 87	Posted - 2013.07.22 04:41:00 - [49] - Quote Gogo O'Dell wrote: If you have proto AV of any kind and you cant solo a tank, you are bad at what you do bc all the good tankers have left and no hav u encounter will be that good. you suck at AV. go ask someone like Cubs or D S (actualy AV players) how easy it is to kill a tank. They'll tell you the same thing I did- you suck. How is a forge gunner relevant to this situation? Swarms and forge are nothing alike, and once again this is 1 incident with 1 tank out of countless tanks ive destroyed.
Zekain Kade TeamPlayers EoN. 1287	Posted - 2013.07.22 04:43:00 - [50] - Quote Assert Dominance wrote: Wiyrkomi swarms, 3 complex dmg mods. Chasing down railgun tank on mountain. Drop nanos, spam proto nades (5). While tank drives away, i let off 3 swarm attack. LOLunderpowered tank leaves with half health replenishing everything that has damaged it. I lol @ your petitions, the qq threads... I agree tanks deserve a price cut, but i know a tankers dream is to go into a pub with a proto tank that average blue dots will never destroy and go 50-0 regularly. If only my protosuits were invulnerable to getting obliteraded by militia locus nades. Maybe us assaulters should petition for that... it took 4 proto nades to kill my gunnlogi, and they have a natural resistance to explosives. try again bro.

SILVERBACK 01 BetaMax. CRONOS. 39	Posted - 2013.07.22 04:43:00 - [51] - Quote a shield tankers response to this thread - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VCBOp-4U8OM
DRDEEZE TWO POINTO Foxhound Corporation General Tso's Alliance 44	Posted - 2013.07.22 05:02:00 - [52] - Quote You probably only hit it once with the nades and the swarms hit a structure.
Lorhak Gannarsein DUST University Ivy League 73	Posted - 2013.07.22 05:16:00 - [53] - Quote Kane Fyea wrote: Eurydice Itzhak wrote: 4913 dmg done from the swarms assuming they didn't hit the sweet spot. 8180 dmg done from the grenades. What tank takes 13k dmg and is at half health? No tank. Ever. This assumes the tank had a hardener running. No tank has 26k ehp. No tank ever. Armor repairs quite fast though. I've had tanks that have gave me a run for my money but not quite this bad. Anyways OP is not good at AV and anyone who thinks otherwise is a dumbass. 16k, maybe 17k is the most you can possibly get out of a Maddy; this includes reps. This guy's just bad.
Cat Merc BetaMax. CRONOS. 3435	Posted - 2013.07.22 08:09:00 - [54] - Quote BobThe 844-1 CakeMan wrote: Cat Merc wrote: It's not unebelieveable. I saw a tanker survive three people with proto swarms trying to take him down. I really think tanks being underpowered is exaggerated. were they shooting armor or shields? I saw both an armor and a shield tank survive that.
Repe Susi Rautaleijona Top Men. 527	Posted - 2013.07.22 08:52:00 - [55] - Quote Just record a video of these. Shouldn't be too hard to arrange eh? I've been shooting and grenadeing tanks somewhat myself and have seen them survive in what seems to be impossible situations. You all know it, you've all seen it. Tanks surviving where they really shouldn't.
Korvin Lomont United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 55	Posted - 2013.07.22 09:24:00 - [56] - Quote Balancing AV vs Vehicles at the current state is pretty difiicult. On the one hand we have Proto AV and the other hand only standard vehicles. Of course proto AV should be pretty effective vs standard gear. But CCP tries to somehow balance that so standard HAV stand a chance vs. Proto AV thats stupid. They should balance standard AV versus Standard vehicles (and remove Proto AV when the standard gear is balanced unless proto vehicles are in). But I think it should always be possible to solo any vehicle of the same metalevel (not easy but possible) if you are good in AV otherwise vehicles become gamebreaking powerfull. Right now its hard to decide if both parts are balanced I got very mixed results with my proto AV. There are tanks that can take several hits from multiple AV Guys and that are really hard to destroy and then there are tanks that go down pretty fast ( a lot faster than they should). The one thing that is totally out of balance is thats more difficult to bring down good fitted LAVs than it is to bring down HAVs thats not right. Light Attack vehicles should be very fast and fragile but now they are fast and more durable than tanks.
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 704	Posted - 2013.07.22 09:49:00 - [57] - Quote Assert Dominance wrote: Wiyrkomi swarms, 3 complex dmg mods. Chasing down railgun tank on mountain. Drop nanos, spam proto nades (5). While tank drives away, i let off 3 swarm attack. LOLunderpowered tank leaves with half health replenishing everything that has damaged it. I lol @ your petitions, the qq threads... I agree tanks deserve a price cut, but i know a tankers dream is to go into a pub with a proto tank that average blue dots will never destroy and go 50-0 regularly. If only my protosuits were invulnerable to getting obliteraded by militia locus nades. Maybe us assaulters should petition for that... lolno Only way that tank can survive is if big ******* if that at least 3 of your nades miss and all 3 swarms missed But i dont believe you in the slightest I played a PC match yday against SI Half the time my shield didnt exist and other tanks were not that much of a problem It was the infantry will lolswarms and lolavnades Even with my repper on the both resistance mods i still got 2 shot by lolprotoswarms because they bend around corners So with everything running i get 2 shot by protoswarms with prob at least 3damage mods on, so taking an extra volley and 5 proto AV nades called Lai Dai and that tank survived i call utter BS on that scenario
xAckie Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 259	Posted - 2013.07.22 09:51:00 - [58] - Quote .
shaman oga Nexus Balusa Horizon DARKSTAR ARMY 343	Posted - 2013.07.22 10:08:00 - [59] - Quote i want to see the video of a madrugar surviving the treatment, then i will believe. I haven't problems to kill madrugars with my AV fit, std packed AV +adv swarm + 2 adv damage mods. I really want to try this Proto swarm with complex damage mods to see what i can do.
Sir Meode Seraphim Initiative. CRONOS. 773	Posted - 2013.07.22 10:27:00 - [60] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Assert Dominance wrote: Wiyrkomi swarms, 3 complex dmg mods. Chasing down railgun tank on mountain. Drop nanos, spam proto nades (5). While tank drives away, i let off 3 swarm attack. LOLunderpowered tank leaves with half health replenishing everything that has damaged it. I lol @ your petitions, the qq threads... I agree tanks deserve a price cut, but i know a tankers dream is to go into a pub with a proto tank that average blue dots will never destroy and go 50-0 regularly. If only my protosuits were invulnerable to getting obliteraded by militia locus nades. Maybe us assaulters should petition for that... lolno Only way that tank can survive is if big ******* if that at least 3 of your nades miss and all 3 swarms missed But i dont believe you in the slightest I played a PC match yday against SI Half the time my shield didnt exist and other tanks were not that much of a problem It was the infantry will lolswarms and lolavnades Even with my repper on the both resistance mods i still got 2 shot by lolprotoswarms because they bend around corners So with everything running i get 2 shot by protoswarms with prob at least 3damage mods on, so taking an extra volley and 5 proto AV nades called Lai Dai and that tank survived i call utter BS on that scenario Lol your so full of sh*t its unreal. 2 shot by proto swarms lol epic.



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