Now these tanks are not just evaporating at the mere sight of my proto swarm with 2x complex damage mods some are even able to fully tank my damage for a limited time and any good tank will take at least 5-8 volleys .

An SP max armor tank will be lucky if they take 5 hits from a proto swarm.

So either you can't count or you are doing something wrong.

Not counting a small selection of tnakers, most of the vets don't want to be immune to AV, in fact if you read the tank petition thread, there are lots of great discussions by tankers talking about balance.

For you to say tanks are fine means that you have never driven one, which kind of invalidates your argument.

Recently i acquired the ability to seriously hurt tanks buy skilling in to the proto swarm launcher and have finally been able to start making tanks explode on a regular basis .

I tried all the levels of swarm launcher from milita to proto and i can tell u that until u reach proto your efforts are mostly wasted unless the tank is failfit or just dumb.

Now it is possible for me to solo most tanks if i have a firing solution for long enough with the proto swarms .

Tankers will tell u that one AV should not be able to kill a similar level tank alone but i am calling bullshit on this why should i not be able to take out a tank if i am skilled and fitted in to it ?

Lets look at some of the arguments:

The tank takes millions more skill points than the AV = false Yes while the single weapon takes less than the whole tank this is not the complete picture after all my swarm launcher is not going to fire its self. I need maximum core and fitting skills to ensure i can fit the best weapon for the job i need suit skills to give me the hit points to make it to that perfect firing angle as well as proto sidearm so give me a better chance of getting threw any infantry standing in my way .

I have 17 million skill points and all of those except the few million in other light weapons can be directly of use fighting tanks .

Next argument

Tanks cost millions of isk each they should be able to survive multiple battles and mow down infantry = false Tanks cost a lot of isk true but the benefits from being surrounded buy a metal boxes are large . For a start only a small percentage of infantry can hurt u from range. It might seem to u like every other guy is rocking av but take it from a infantryman there are still a lot more AR's out there than forge guns and swarms and of those guys even less have bothered to train for proto av .
Tanks murder regular infantry and are invulnerable to non specialized weapons with the ability to generate staggering amounts of war points and a GTFO ability that most grunts can only dream of .

Now these tanks are not just evaporating at the mere sight of my proto swarm with 2x complex damage mods some are even able to fully tank my damage for a limited time and any good tank will take at least 5-8 volleys .

So how much more damage should a tank be able to take ? if i am using proto with 2x complex how much more would it take a militia guy ? 10 volleys 15 ? 20 ! Yeh yeh i hear u say " but that's militia gear against advanced tank " Ok so it should take 4-5 mags of directs hits from a militia AR to down a protobear ??? after all his gear might be 10 times more expensive than the militia guy ( just like a top tank might be 10 times more expensive than my proto AV fit ).In dust u pay a lot to go up in levels for little gain for example a gek costs 7 or 8 times more than a standard for only 5% more damage .Tanks just follow this trend

Arguments like this about the level of gear belong in games like WOW yes being higher level should give u a advantage but it should not make u invulnerable to lower levels ( It never did in eve ).

Take into consideration that we do not have ADV, PRO and RAR HAV in game yet, and vehicle are meant to be destroy be squad, not a ssingle guy with proto stuff, and that we(Armor HAV) have currentlly buged AR with repair 3x more HP. Tanks are not fine.

You see, it should NOT take a whole squad to take down one guy in a tank. It just isn't fair that one person should be able to steamroll a team just because he paid more for it. It's more reasonable for one fully equipped and specced AVer to take down one fully equipped and specced Tanker.

Recently i acquired the ability to seriously hurt tanks buy skilling in to the proto swarm launcher and have finally been able to start making tanks explode on a regular basis .

I tried all the levels of swarm launcher from milita to proto and i can tell u that until u reach proto your efforts are mostly wasted unless the tank is failfit or just dumb.

Now it is possible for me to solo most tanks if i have a firing solution for long enough with the proto swarms .

Tankers will tell u that one AV should not be able to kill a similar level tank alone but i am calling bullshit on this why should i not be able to take out a tank if i am skilled and fitted in to it ?

Lets look at some of the arguments:

The tank takes millions more skill points than the AV = false Yes while the single weapon takes less than the whole tank this is not the complete picture after all my swarm launcher is not going to fire its self. I need maximum core and fitting skills to ensure i can fit the best weapon for the job i need suit skills to give me the hit points to make it to that perfect firing angle as well as proto sidearm so give me a better chance of getting threw any infantry standing in my way .

I have 17 million skill points and all of those except the few million in other light weapons can be directly of use fighting tanks .

Next argument

Tanks cost millions of isk each they should be able to survive multiple battles and mow down infantry = false Tanks cost a lot of isk true but the benefits from being surrounded buy a metal boxes are large . For a start only a small percentage of infantry can hurt u from range. It might seem to u like every other guy is rocking av but take it from a infantryman there are still a lot more AR's out there than forge guns and swarms and of those guys even less have bothered to train for proto av .
Tanks murder regular infantry and are invulnerable to non specialized weapons with the ability to generate staggering amounts of war points and a GTFO ability that most grunts can only dream of .

Now these tanks are not just evaporating at the mere sight of my proto swarm with 2x complex damage mods some are even able to fully tank my damage for a limited time and any good tank will take at least 5-8 volleys .

So how much more damage should a tank be able to take ? if i am using proto with 2x complex how much more would it take a militia guy ? 10 volleys 15 ? 20 ! Yeh yeh i hear u say " but that's militia gear against advanced tank " Ok so it should take 4-5 mags of directs hits from a militia AR to down a protobear ??? after all his gear might be 10 times more expensive than the militia guy ( just like a top tank might be 10 times more expensive than my proto AV fit ).In dust u pay a lot to go up in levels for little gain for example a gek costs 7 or 8 times more than a standard for only 5% more damage .Tanks just follow this trend

Arguments like this about the level of gear belong in games like WOW yes being higher level should give u a advantage but it should not make u invulnerable to lower levels ( It never did in eve ).

The tank takes millions more skill points than the AV = false Yes while the single weapon takes less than the whole tank this is not the complete picture after all my swarm launcher is not going to fire its self. I need maximum core and fitting skills to ensure i can fit the best weapon for the job

The only thing I'm understanding from avers is they feel they shouldn't have to use teamwork but a tank should have to, more sp more isk yet you think it needs teamwork and av shouldn't...lameee, ccp if you read this is there plans for naval combat?

You see, it should NOT take a whole squad to take down one guy in a tank. It just isn't fair that one person should be able to steamroll a team just because he paid more for it. It's more reasonable for one fully equipped and specced AVer to take down one fully equipped and specced Tanker.

They can't even get ground vehicles to work, they've still got aerial vehicles to sort and you want stuff on the water?
Out!

I don't like your tone, I know but I was jw hell maybe they'll surprise us, doubt it though

I'm not a tanker but I've been in control of a tank a few times and have heard enough from tankers in my corp to know that tanks should either be less expensive or stronger. Lowering the price of the tanks themselves would seem reasonable.

As a forge gunner, I agree with the lowered ISK.
Same for dropships. But I wouldn't mind seeing tanks with a little more punch to their most powerful turret. I think they need it.

I support this thread.
1 tank can kill tenths of infantry w/o being scratched.
1 AV will die to any regular infantry user he meets
1 tank should die to 1 AV (they don't do until proto AV)

Wait a minute so if one tank spawns, almost half the team has to ignore the objective to take it down? Two tanks mean the whole team has to devote themselves to AV? Three tanks.... That's not even counting the other 85% of the tank using team that still get to use their normal fits to defend the tank

Is that what you pilots call balance? Sorry, but I played the.build when tanks were op. I would really like to avoid that time.

Pilots need to chill and wait for ADV and Pro tanks. Even with the tanks we have now; one that is properly fitted with a proper support team (gunners + bodyguards to take out AV) can be incredibly deadly. It seems like Tankers just want to solo pubstomps.