DUST Search - scramble rifle officer variant

Zeylon Rho wrote:

I've been hoarding SP since the respec, so I probably have a different perspective. They said there wouldn't be another respec, so I was waiting for the various intimated suit changes to go through. Considering they said there wouldn't be another respec, I figure that saving my SP is the only route I could go if I didn't want to get screwed by upcoming changes (I was a Cal-Logi before the respec).

So, I look at it as my putting in time at an SP disadvantage whenever I play because I haven't spent SP in suits or weapons (waiting for the remaining rifles as well). This is a combination of waiting for these things that seemed immediately around the corner at E3 (the combat rifle in the video, etc.). Two months of not spending SP now. That's over two months of just sitting on SP now.

In a way, I'm a the direct opposite of you here. The game's been a slog without being able to use decent weapons or suits. The payoff is being able to put the points where they matter when the time comes, right? But when does that time ever come?

If people do get respecs, it in effect devalues my taking them at their word and not spending any SP for months. My battles were harder than people with comparable time in the game because I was stuck in militia gear. The changes to the Cal-Logi are exactly why I didn't sink points back into it. Suit changes were suggested by devs prior to the last respec.

Obviously, playing for months without spending SP isn't an ideal solution to their weapon/suit system not being ironed out. Frequent respecs also change the sense of investment in the game though. I posted multiple times in the thread about placeholder suits hoping to see the skill-tree fleshed out before the respec. Because if you're expecting us to plan something long-term, lacking that sort of information on high-SP skills like suits is just... silly.

The Cal-Logi I tend to view as a somewhat separate matter because it was performing outside of its role. However, I think there was merit to the idea of buffing all the other suits (a survivable medic makes sense after all). I just didn't think it was a likely scenario.

In either case, I think CCP could put more time into telegraphing changes ahead of time. 1.3 was set at the beginning of the month when the content was sent in, but we're only hearing about the suit changes now. Why the wait?

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Eris Ernaga Super Nerds 347	Posted - 2013.07.21 12:45:00 - [1] - Quote Please an automatic and imperial officer scrambler rifle much needed
Talos Alomar Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1203	Posted - 2013.07.21 15:36:00 - [2] - Quote Eris Ernaga wrote: Please an automatic and imperial officer scrambler rifle much needed The AR hegemony needs to end! Equality now!
Meeko Fent Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 324	Posted - 2013.07.21 16:52:00 - [3] - Quote Indeed! This hegemony might end when we have the new racials.
Aquinarius Zoltanus 0uter.Heaven EoN. 190	Posted - 2013.07.21 16:58:00 - [4] - Quote Scrambler Rifle? Pfft, welcome to the waiting game. How about officer variants for all of the other red-headed step-children? (Shotguns/Mass Drivers/Laser Rifles/Nova Knives/Swarm Launchers)
Beren Hurin K-A-O-S theory 759	Posted - 2013.07.21 17:10:00 - [5] - Quote AR is a plasma weapon. Thus it is one of the best close in AR. It is supposed to be the best close range AR. I would anticipate all others having better alpha, accuracy, range, and or fitting ability for slightly less sustained dps.
ZDub 303 TeamPlayers EoN. 1102	Posted - 2013.07.21 17:24:00 - [6] - Quote We just need a more complete 'rifle' tree in general. RR, CR, ScR, LR all still need regular variants as well as officer variants. Pretty sure it was all put on hold so Remnant could build a new system that will nerf logi bonuses into the ground instead. CCP: "Nerfs > Buffs all day err day!"
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood 799	Posted - 2013.07.21 17:32:00 - [7] - Quote Aquinarius Zoltanus wrote: Scrambler Rifle? Pfft, welcome to the waiting game. How about officer variants for all of the other red-headed step-children? (Shotguns/Mass Drivers/Laser Rifles/Nova Knives/Swarm Launchers) no joke been waiting for an officer mass driver for long,long times. also there's no officer vehicles
Zeylon Rho Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1348	Posted - 2013.07.21 17:33:00 - [8] - Quote This thread has joined the not-so-elite club of threads that Zdub drops into to complain about the obviously completely left-field to him Cal-Logi nerfs. Whine and cheese for everyone! I'd like to see officer variants for the Scrambler as well. ARs have both the Krin's and Balac's as I recall. Interesting that they'd make two variants for one weapon before they make any for others.
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 849	Posted - 2013.07.21 17:37:00 - [9] - Quote Eris Ernaga wrote: Please an automatic and imperial officer scrambler rifle much needed Officer variants are exclusively improved versions of the default weapon. So if you do get officer scrambler rifles, it's unlikely you'll get the automatic.
Son Down SamsClub 66	Posted - 2013.07.21 19:10:00 - [10] - Quote Eris Ernaga wrote: Please an automatic and imperial officer scrambler rifle much needed You already have one. Imperial Scrambler Rifle with modded controller. It melts stuff, really fast.

BuTtHuRtPEepZ Raging Pack of Homosapiens 65	Posted - 2013.07.21 19:35:00 - [11] - Quote Eris Ernaga wrote: Please an automatic and imperial officer scrambler rifle much needed scrambler rifles are primary semi auto. the officer weapon should be also. you dont see any officer TARs, BARs, or BuARs because the original is automatic. besides, imagine the godlike charged shot
ZDub 303 TeamPlayers EoN. 1105	Posted - 2013.07.21 20:18:00 - [12] - Quote Zeylon Rho wrote: This thread has joined the not-so-elite club of threads that Zdub drops into to complain about the obviously completely left-field to him Cal-Logi nerfs. Whine and cheese for everyone! I'd like to see officer variants for the Scrambler as well. ARs have both the Krin's and Balac's as I recall. Interesting that they'd make two variants for one weapon before they make any for others. Have I ever complained about the nerf? I think all logis needed a buff instead, ive said that many times but I am fine and have lived with the nerf myself. I've never said anything about the nerf being unjustified. You subdreddit guys just love to **** talk about me on here... I find it kind of interesting. I can't believe you guys are still so better I left...
Zeylon Rho Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1349	Posted - 2013.07.21 21:00:00 - [13] - Quote ZDub 303 wrote: Zeylon Rho wrote: This thread has joined the not-so-elite club of threads that Zdub drops into to complain about the obviously completely left-field to him Cal-Logi nerfs. Whine and cheese for everyone! I'd like to see officer variants for the Scrambler as well. ARs have both the Krin's and Balac's as I recall. Interesting that they'd make two variants for one weapon before they make any for others. Have I ever complained about the nerf? I think all logis needed a buff instead, ive said that many times but I am fine and have lived with the nerf myself. I've never said anything about the nerf being unjustified. You subdreddit guys just love to **** talk about me on here... I find it kind of interesting. I can't believe you guys are still so better I left... You were in Subdreddit? I don't recall you. Perhaps you left before I joined, or right after. Persecution complex aside... It could just be my perception of the posts of yours I've ran into, but bits like this: Honestly... It just means most of us are taking off our needle (figuratively). At least it does for me. Wanna nerf my suit? Thats cool... you guys can cry when none of those logis are giving you that much needed nanohive or reps and not even carrying a needle to bother with reviving you Roll Translation: Nerf me? Don't expect me to perform my suit's role. and Well.. there are only three scenarios here. 1. You let those players spec into assault suits instead, so they can actually be assault players. 2. They continue to play cal logi assault (relatively effectively for most, except for shotgun logis which got it the worst). 3. They quit the game. Which would you prefer? Translation: Without respecs, people will just quit. and Well I hope you don't cry when, come 1.3, you're still getting killed by slayer logis. Many people don't have the willpower to grind 2.47 million SP for another suit. Not right now at least. If 1.4 comes out without a respec though, I suspect its probably over for this game. But we'll see what happens. Translation: Again, without respecs people will quit. and So what's the point of a logi then? Cause they obviously aren't supposed to be slayers. Translation: I don't know what a logi is supposed to be. and ironically: So true. Not to mention a poisonous community that is hellbent on ensuring this game fails. At least FF14 is only a month away! 3ish weeks if you preorder! Translation: The community is set on making the game fail. Of course, there's also this thread (about weapons) which you dropped in to say: "Pretty sure it was all put on hold so Remnant could build a new system that will nerf logi bonuses into the ground instead. CCP: "Nerfs > Buffs all day err day!" Your definition of whining might be different than mine, and perhaps taken as a whole your posts are more positive and measured. Those are from the threads I actually viewed at some point though. I just got an impression of passive-aggressive indignation over the logi nerf, and a sense of "game will fail without a respec" from other posts. If I've misread you, sorry about that.
ZDub 303 TeamPlayers EoN. 1111	Posted - 2013.07.21 21:16:00 - [14] - Quote The equipment comments comes because of the 20 CPU nerf... which I don't think anyone understands? All of the rest of it is because I feel very strongly about the fact that by changing the bonuses to the cal logi suit, those who used it should have the opportunity to reallocate their SP as necessary. I'm fine with my build, and i'm fine with the removal of the extender bonus, but other people i know just get straight boned, and their whole playstyle is **** because of it. Why should they have to 'live with their choices'? They made a choice based on how the cal logi was designed, and now its being changed. They should then be allowed to make new choices based on the new design of the new dropsuits after a patch change. With 1.4, they are completely changing logis to be only support focused. This is not the logi I signed up for, as well as many others. If they don't reallocate SP at that point, I can only imagine how many people are going to be gone for good. Myself included. Fact of the matter is... 2.47 million SP is a lot to grind for when you aren't happy with your build... I don't care what people say about 'living with your choices' and 'deserving to be screwed over cause you chose FOTM'. FOTM is NOT the players fault, its CCPs fault. and if CCP wants to tell its customers to off and harden the up. Well... I can take my business elsewhere, that's fine with me. So yeah... i'm not bitching about the nerf. That's rebalancing, fine with me. But i'm trying to raise a ** storm about the lack of a respec after the change. Don't want to issue a global respec after 1.3? Im not happy about it but if its not here for 1.4, then its over for a few people I know, myself included.
Zeylon Rho Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1349	Posted - 2013.07.21 21:46:00 - [15] - Quote I've been hoarding SP since the respec, so I probably have a different perspective. They said there wouldn't be another respec, so I was waiting for the various intimated suit changes to go through. Considering they said there wouldn't be another respec, I figure that saving my SP is the only route I could go if I didn't want to get screwed by upcoming changes (I was a Cal-Logi before the respec). So, I look at it as my putting in time at an SP disadvantage whenever I play because I haven't spent SP in suits or weapons (waiting for the remaining rifles as well). This is a combination of waiting for these things that seemed immediately around the corner at E3 (the combat rifle in the video, etc.). Two months of not spending SP now. That's over two months of just sitting on SP now. In a way, I'm a the direct opposite of you here. The game's been a slog without being able to use decent weapons or suits. The payoff is being able to put the points where they matter when the time comes, right? But when does that time ever come? If people do get respecs, it in effect devalues my taking them at their word and not spending any SP for months. My battles were harder than people with comparable time in the game because I was stuck in militia gear. The changes to the Cal-Logi are exactly why I didn't sink points back into it. Suit changes were suggested by devs prior to the last respec. Obviously, playing for months without spending SP isn't an ideal solution to their weapon/suit system not being ironed out. Frequent respecs also change the sense of investment in the game though. I posted multiple times in the thread about placeholder suits hoping to see the skill-tree fleshed out before the respec. Because if you're expecting us to plan something long-term, lacking that sort of information on high-SP skills like suits is just... silly. The Cal-Logi I tend to view as a somewhat separate matter because it was performing outside of its role. However, I think there was merit to the idea of buffing all the other suits (a survivable medic makes sense after all). I just didn't think it was a likely scenario. In either case, I think CCP could put more time into telegraphing changes ahead of time. 1.3 was set at the beginning of the month when the content was sent in, but we're only hearing about the suit changes now. Why the wait?
BuTtHuRtPEepZ Raging Pack of Homosapiens 65	Posted - 2013.07.21 21:54:00 - [16] - Quote please get back on topic. this thread is about officer scrambler rifle thank you. while we are at it, can we have MLT scrambler rifles, combat rifles, and rail rifles too? thank you
ZDub 303 TeamPlayers EoN. 1114	Posted - 2013.07.21 22:11:00 - [17] - Quote Zeylon Rho wrote: I've been hoarding SP since the respec, so I probably have a different perspective. They said there wouldn't be another respec, so I was waiting for the various intimated suit changes to go through. Considering they said there wouldn't be another respec, I figure that saving my SP is the only route I could go if I didn't want to get screwed by upcoming changes (I was a Cal-Logi before the respec). So, I look at it as my putting in time at an SP disadvantage whenever I play because I haven't spent SP in suits or weapons (waiting for the remaining rifles as well). This is a combination of waiting for these things that seemed immediately around the corner at E3 (the combat rifle in the video, etc.). Two months of not spending SP now. That's over two months of just sitting on SP now. In a way, I'm a the direct opposite of you here. The game's been a slog without being able to use decent weapons or suits. The payoff is being able to put the points where they matter when the time comes, right? But when does that time ever come? If people do get respecs, it in effect devalues my taking them at their word and not spending any SP for months. My battles were harder than people with comparable time in the game because I was stuck in militia gear. The changes to the Cal-Logi are exactly why I didn't sink points back into it. Suit changes were suggested by devs prior to the last respec. Obviously, playing for months without spending SP isn't an ideal solution to their weapon/suit system not being ironed out. Frequent respecs also change the sense of investment in the game though. I posted multiple times in the thread about placeholder suits hoping to see the skill-tree fleshed out before the respec. Because if you're expecting us to plan something long-term, lacking that sort of information on high-SP skills like suits is just... silly. The Cal-Logi I tend to view as a somewhat separate matter because it was performing outside of its role. However, I think there was merit to the idea of buffing all the other suits (a survivable medic makes sense after all). I just didn't think it was a likely scenario. In either case, I think CCP could put more time into telegraphing changes ahead of time. 1.3 was set at the beginning of the month when the content was sent in, but we're only hearing about the suit changes now. Why the wait? I'm pretty sure they've never said they will do another SP refund. No more SP resets? Yes but never no more refunds. They may have said they haven't planned one.. but that seems obvious and self evident doesn't it? Some people have the luxury of playing with limited SP.. I wanted to participate in PC... so I had to spend all of my SP right away in order to get the equipment I needed to function. I understand the 'devaluing of investment' in this game. But there is no value to any SP investments when the weapons and sutis are being changed every patch. What you buy today is not what you buy tomorrow? It will work once the primary changes are in place, but for as long as they constantly sit there and tweak all of the dropsuits and weapons, I see no reason people should be forced to 'live with their choices'.


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