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Zeylon Rho
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Posted - 2013.07.21 17:33:00 -
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This thread has joined the not-so-elite club of threads that Zdub drops into to complain about the obviously completely left-field to him Cal-Logi nerfs. Whine and cheese for everyone! 
I'd like to see officer variants for the Scrambler as well. ARs have both the Krin's and Balac's as I recall. Interesting that they'd make two variants for one weapon before they make any for others. |
Zeylon Rho
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Posted - 2013.07.21 21:00:00 -
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ZDub 303 wrote:Zeylon Rho wrote:This thread has joined the not-so-elite club of threads that Zdub drops into to complain about the obviously completely left-field to him Cal-Logi nerfs. Whine and cheese for everyone! I'd like to see officer variants for the Scrambler as well. ARs have both the Krin's and Balac's as I recall. Interesting that they'd make two variants for one weapon before they make any for others. Have I ever complained about the nerf? I think all logis needed a buff instead, ive said that many times but I am fine and have lived with the nerf myself. I've never said anything about the nerf being unjustified. You subdreddit guys just love to **** talk about me on here... I find it kind of interesting. I can't believe you guys are still so better I left...
You were in Subdreddit? I don't recall you. Perhaps you left before I joined, or right after. Persecution complex aside...
It could just be my perception of the posts of yours I've ran into, but bits like this:
Honestly...
It just means most of us are taking off our needle (figuratively). At least it does for me. Wanna nerf my suit? Thats cool... you guys can cry when none of those logis are giving you that much needed nanohive or reps and not even carrying a needle to bother with reviving you Roll
Translation: Nerf me? Don't expect me to perform my suit's role.
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Well.. there are only three scenarios here.
1. You let those players spec into assault suits instead, so they can actually be assault players.
2. They continue to play cal logi assault (relatively effectively for most, except for shotgun logis which got it the worst).
3. They quit the game.
Which would you prefer?
Translation: Without respecs, people will just quit.
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Well I hope you don't cry when, come 1.3, you're still getting killed by slayer logis. Many people don't have the willpower to grind 2.47 million SP for another suit. Not right now at least.
If 1.4 comes out without a respec though, I suspect its probably over for this game. But we'll see what happens.
Translation: Again, without respecs people will quit.
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So what's the point of a logi then? Cause they obviously aren't supposed to be slayers.
Translation: I don't know what a logi is supposed to be.
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So true.
Not to mention a poisonous community that is hellbent on ensuring this game fails.
At least FF14 is only a month away! 3ish weeks if you preorder!
Translation: The community is set on making the game fail.
Of course, there's also this thread (about weapons) which you dropped in to say: "Pretty sure it was all put on hold so Remnant could build a new system that will nerf logi bonuses into the ground instead.
CCP: "Nerfs > Buffs all day err day!"
Your definition of whining might be different than mine, and perhaps taken as a whole your posts are more positive and measured. Those are from the threads I actually viewed at some point though. I just got an impression of passive-aggressive indignation over the logi nerf, and a sense of "game will fail without a respec" from other posts. If I've misread you, sorry about that. |
Zeylon Rho
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Posted - 2013.07.21 21:46:00 -
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I've been hoarding SP since the respec, so I probably have a different perspective. They said there wouldn't be another respec, so I was waiting for the various intimated suit changes to go through. Considering they said there wouldn't be another respec, I figure that saving my SP is the only route I could go if I didn't want to get screwed by upcoming changes (I was a Cal-Logi before the respec).
So, I look at it as my putting in time at an SP disadvantage whenever I play because I haven't spent SP in suits or weapons (waiting for the remaining rifles as well). This is a combination of waiting for these things that seemed immediately around the corner at E3 (the combat rifle in the video, etc.). Two months of not spending SP now. That's over two months of just sitting on SP now.
In a way, I'm a the direct opposite of you here. The game's been a slog without being able to use decent weapons or suits. The payoff is being able to put the points where they matter when the time comes, right? But when does that time ever come?
If people do get respecs, it in effect devalues my taking them at their word and not spending any SP for months. My battles were harder than people with comparable time in the game because I was stuck in militia gear. The changes to the Cal-Logi are exactly why I didn't sink points back into it. Suit changes were suggested by devs prior to the last respec.
Obviously, playing for months without spending SP isn't an ideal solution to their weapon/suit system not being ironed out. Frequent respecs also change the sense of investment in the game though. I posted multiple times in the thread about placeholder suits hoping to see the skill-tree fleshed out before the respec. Because if you're expecting us to plan something long-term, lacking that sort of information on high-SP skills like suits is just... silly.
The Cal-Logi I tend to view as a somewhat separate matter because it was performing outside of its role. However, I think there was merit to the idea of buffing all the other suits (a survivable medic makes sense after all). I just didn't think it was a likely scenario.
In either case, I think CCP could put more time into telegraphing changes ahead of time. 1.3 was set at the beginning of the month when the content was sent in, but we're only hearing about the suit changes now. Why the wait? |
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