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Reaper Skordeman
The Reaper Crew PMC
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Posted - 2013.07.20 07:29:00 -
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Hey guys,
Firstly, I apologize to Staff if this isn't allowed or deemed insulting.
I personally, am Indifferent to the idea of a Respec. but a small part of me would love one. This isn't so that I can follow the 'Flavor Of The Month' theme that some others tend to.
I just feel that there has been several significant changes since the last Respec. Now I'm not suggesting a Respec every time an update is mentioned, However many of these changes especially from 1.2 have been deemed game changing.
List of Notable Game Changers:
- Addition of Optimal, Effective, and Absolute Ranges. - Addition of The Commando Dropsuit Class. - Addition of Ferroscale and Reactive Armor plates & Shield Energizer Modules. - Removal of Free LAV BPO's. - Refinement of the RDV System. - Refinement of the "Call For Help!" System. - Refinement of the Nanite-Injector revival mechanics.
Less Notable Game Changers:
- Official Release of Information Regarding Weapon Profiles. - Planned Logistics Dropsuit Changes.
These are simply the things that come to me off the top of my head. I really think everyone underestimates just how much was changes in 1.2. I mean just implementing Optimal, Effective, and Absolute Ranges is game changing.
Please Vote and Show CCP how we as a community feel.
Also these are two things I deem more of a comedic issue, but fellow Users from my Local Chat demanded their listing.
- Refinement of the Saga-II which is now useless to though without skills. - Lack of Counters and Planning of/during the recent Mordu Event, people feel "F##k'd over."
These aren't really related to the Respec well I guess the Saga-II could be in a small way. But these are things that the Users from my Local Chat feel they've been "F##k'd over" on, and the general consensus of not offering a Respec is what they deem another "F##k Over".
Apologies for the direct quotation of phrases used. |
ALPHA DECRIPTER
M.E.R.C. Conventional Forces D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
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Posted - 2013.07.20 15:58:00 -
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hmm I'd like to see more votes. This is actually a good question. And to give this poll a second chance I hereby give this thread a BUMP |
Aikuchi Tomaru
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.07.20 16:25:00 -
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Where can I vote against this? |
Zeylon Rho
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.07.20 16:28:00 -
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Aikuchi Tomaru wrote:Where can I vote against this?
The poll has a 'no' option, which is winning. Some people aren't used to the idea that MMOs frequently add and adjust content without offering "respecs". I wonder how many people in the OG Everquest got all their experience back whenever expansions and class changes were made? (hint: zero) |
Mobius Wyvern
BetaMax. CRONOS.
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Posted - 2013.07.20 16:36:00 -
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Reaper Skordeman wrote:Hey guys, Firstly, I apologize to Staff if this isn't allowed or deemed insulting. I personally, am Indifferent to the idea of a Respec. but a small part of me would love one. This isn't so that I can follow the 'Flavor Of The Month' theme that some others tend to. I just feel that there has been several significant changes since the last Respec. Now I'm not suggesting a Respec every time an update is mentioned, However many of these changes especially from 1.2 have been deemed game changing. List of Notable Game Changers: - Addition of Optimal, Effective, and Absolute Ranges. - Addition of The Commando Dropsuit Class. - Addition of Ferroscale and Reactive Armor plates & Shield Energizer Modules. - Removal of Free LAV BPO's. - Refinement of the RDV System. - Refinement of the "Call For Help!" System. - Refinement of the Nanite-Injector revival mechanics. Less Notable Game Changers: - Official Release of Information Regarding Weapon Profiles. - Planned Logistics Dropsuit Changes. These are simply the things that come to me off the top of my head. I really think everyone underestimates just how much was changes in 1.2. I mean just implementing Optimal, Effective, and Absolute Ranges is game changing. Please Vote and Show CCP how we as a community feel. Also these are two things I deem more of a comedic issue, but fellow Users from my Local Chat demanded their listing. - Refinement of the Saga-II which is now useless to though without skills. - Lack of Counters and Planning of/during the recent Mordu Event, people feel "F##k'd over." These aren't really related to the Respec well I guess the Saga-II could be in a small way. But these are things that the Users from my Local Chat feel they've been "F##k'd over" on, and the general consensus of not offering a Respec is what they deem another "F##k Over". Apologies for the direct quotation of phrases used. Have you linked this in General Discussion? A lot more people post there and are more active, so you'd be more likely to get a better sample and more votes overall. |
Aikuchi Tomaru
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.07.20 20:03:00 -
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Zeylon Rho wrote:Aikuchi Tomaru wrote:Where can I vote against this? The poll has a 'no' option, which is winning. Some people aren't used to the idea that MMOs frequently add and adjust content without offering "respecs". I wonder how many people in the OG Everquest got all their experience back whenever expansions and class changes were made? (hint: zero) Oh damn. Didn't even look. THank you for the clarification. |
XxGhazbaranxX
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
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Posted - 2013.07.20 20:49:00 -
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I don't think repsecs are a good idea. If new content comes out, newberries should have the same chance as vets to try out new content at the same pace as vets. This is a form of balancing that is existent in almost every game to date. No one should instantly have the chance to use all the new content on the first day ruining the experience for either new players or old ones that want to actually enjoy it instead of having some jerk who nurses his K/D ratio turn it into a fit of the month on the first few days. |
Alena Ventrallis
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.07.20 22:34:00 -
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Before I cast my vote, is there somewhere I can see a definitive list of changes that they are implementing? I want all the information before I make my decision. I know about the Cal Logi bonus swap, but surely there's more than that in 1.3. |
Templar 10
Phaze O n e
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Posted - 2013.07.20 22:42:00 -
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far i hate the fact that every one is always asking for respecs harden up and deal with it you speced into some thing that just got you loads of kills (cough proto logi cough ) now it gets nerfed you ***** hah serves ya right plan ahead not in the short term really annoys me when people ask this learn and adapt you fuct up.
not directed at the OP just in genral. |
CLONE117
Planetary Response Organization
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Posted - 2013.07.21 00:32:00 -
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lets just get rid of respecs and make it a reset wher e the players losing ALL of his sp.....
i really hate that time limit between posts!y was it even added!... |
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Aero Yassavi
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2013.07.21 00:38:00 -
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I think at least one more respec is needed, HOWEVER I do not believe one should be given for Uprising 1.3. There's simply not enough being changed, and we all know that soon enough there will be big changes to vehicles and the addition of the missing dropsuits/vehicles. That's the point when the final respec needs to happen, not now. |
CLONE117
Planetary Response Organization
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Posted - 2013.07.21 00:39:00 -
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no respec is needed...that last thing this game needs is more ppl in full proto with less than 3 m sp... |
Aero Yassavi
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
676
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Posted - 2013.07.21 00:45:00 -
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CLONE117 wrote:no respec is needed...that last thing this game needs is more ppl in full proto with less than 3 m sp... That is impossible since the proto suit alone costs 2.7M SP.
Honestly I hate to think that we'd let our fear of FotM or people better spending their points to focus on one thing stop us from giving a respec when core content like Amarr and Caldari light frames, Minmatar, Gallente, and Caldari heavy frames, and Amarr and Minmatar vehicles are added.
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Seymor Krelborn
DUST University Ivy League
337
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Posted - 2013.07.21 00:45:00 -
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there is a flaw in your poll.... you can vote more than once..... I have voted no 2x now.... |
Malkai Inos
Opus Arcana Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2013.07.21 01:01:00 -
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Seymor Krelborn wrote:there is a flaw in your poll.... you can vote more than once..... I have voted no 2x now....
I should note theres a timer but you can vote more than once You could use proxies or zombie machines to generate hundreds of votes within minutes, if you're hellbent on doing it...
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Seymor Krelborn
DUST University Ivy League
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Posted - 2013.07.21 01:12:00 -
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Malkai Inos wrote:Seymor Krelborn wrote:there is a flaw in your poll.... you can vote more than once..... I have voted no 2x now....
I should note theres a timer but you can vote more than once You could use proxies or zombie machines to generate hundreds of votes within minutes, if you're hellbent on doing it...
yes... you could... or you could just shut your computer down and turn it back on and get another vote... I voted 3x now.... that or it just appears to give me the option to vote multiple times... either way... its suspicious... |
Pseudogenesis
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.07.21 01:54:00 -
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Unfortunately the poll is inherently biased because it's a voluntary response (Only those who browse the forums can vote, which only represent a small proportion of Dust's playerbase). The more vocal people will be more willing to answer the poll. Then again, it's interesting, regardless of accuracy. |
Rynoceros
Rise Of Old Dudes
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Posted - 2013.07.21 02:12:00 -
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I'm in favor of partial respects when they release proper racial variations (specifically the basic classes like Heavies and vehicles). I'll be requesting a respec of my Dropsuit Command once the Gall and Minnie fatsuits arrive. |
Reaper Skordeman
The Reaper Crew PMC
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Posted - 2013.07.21 07:06:00 -
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Firstly, I didn't realize the Poll was bugged.. If any could find a better Free Service, I'll gladly update the Poll.
Secondly, I do not support FOTM I just feel that when their are significant changes made to a game we shouldn't be penalized.
DUST 514 is a long term based game, so we plan for the future but when that future is shifted without our control we deserve a level of compensation, now I also agree that it can and will indirectly support those lesser players that follow the FOTM Theme however could we not have a sacrifice be made alongside this Respec. as players have suggested a SP Cost or better yet a Percentage which will even further deterrent those with higher amounts of SP.
Thirdly, I am not suggesting this for the changes made in 1.3 as they for the most part seem to be minor and will only damage those that have been making Gun-Logi's or Logi-Foot-Tanks, rather than the intended role of a Logi.
I am suggesting a Respec. due to the listed Game Changers in the OP.
Furthermore, I am voicing the opinion of those that are in my Local Chat and the Local Chat's of the Users in my Corp. The other day when this topic was created my Corp. I were discussing amongst ourselves and our Respective Locals Chats. We are a relatively small Corp. so none of us currently share a Local Chat, but we wanted to hear the opinions of not only ourselves but of what the users in our Locals Chat were and as a form of community service I told the liberty to take a general consensus of what was said, and this topic is the result.
I especially back what Pseudogenesis has said as I can safely assume many of these users who I have given a voice to, do not know that we even have a forums or simply do not wish to use such a feature.
I also fully back Rynoceros's state regarding Respec's when more racial variations are released as I've seen many players not necessarily complain about the Amarr Heavy Dropsuits but wish they could have a Heavy Dropsuit of their actual race. |
dustwaffle
Gravity Prone EoN.
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Posted - 2013.07.22 04:25:00 -
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No.
Decide what looks fun for you. Do some research. Find out how viable it is. Spec into something after doing some research and actual thinking.
If you chase flavour of the month in Dust/EVE, you're gonna be disappointed every time balance passes come around.
That's just the way it is around here.
If you don't find something fun, don't skill into it just because it's the new OP FOTM around.
This is coming from a caldari logi player using a TAR.
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Tal-Rakken
DUST University Ivy League
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Posted - 2013.07.22 04:29:00 -
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no.
only reason they gave previoous respecs was because they redid the skill tree entirely.
when they release the myriad of other racial suits that they have yet to release MAYBE but untiil then my answer to respec will always be no |
Klash 816
Sand Mercenary Corps Inc. Interstellar Conquest Enterprises
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Posted - 2013.07.22 07:54:00 -
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Yes we need a respec at some point But no, not right now.
Wait till we get to Dust 2.0 and then ask for a respec, trust me it will be worth the wait. |
Cross Atu
Conspiratus Immortalis Covert Intervention
1327
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Posted - 2013.07.24 15:58:00 -
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Quoted from another thread
Cross Atu wrote:See this thread for all the reasons why an unlimited or 'pay to play" respec system is bad for Dust and bad for New Eden. There are quite a few points raised in that thread, but if you can work out a way around those drawbacks then by all means lets discuss it. Cheers, Cross ps ~ there is however another thread which provided a possible alternative that solves many of the issues raised within the first link, perhaps starting there would be more desirable. The real focus of this quote as it pertains to the current thread is to provide links to relevant information and discussion.
Cheers, Cross |
KING CHECKMATE
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. League of Infamy
421
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Posted - 2013.07.24 23:04:00 -
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TO BE HONEST, i would love to see every assault speccd into CAL LOGI and every single one of skill less Core flaylock pistol ***** stay with their decisions that made them improve their winnings, so i would naturally say no.
The only reason im gonna vote yes is because i want to play amarr assault again. So this vote is just for me.... |
itsmellslikefish
DIOS X. II Top Men.
148
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Posted - 2013.07.24 23:28:00 -
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Seems like 1.4 is gona have the huge amount of content, I'd wait till then. |
BatKing Deltor
Granite Mercenary Division
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Posted - 2013.07.24 23:51:00 -
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Klash 816 wrote:Yes we need a respec at some point But no, not right now.
Wait till we get to Dust 2.0 and then ask for a respec, trust me it will be worth the wait. I hear eve players get a respec once a year? 2.0 ( next expansion ) should be in march, april, or may, nearly a year since the last official respec, if they follow the once a month updates. If we do get one again, it should be then. |
dustwaffle
Gravity Prone EoN.
205
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Posted - 2013.07.25 01:26:00 -
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BatKing Deltor wrote:Klash 816 wrote:Yes we need a respec at some point But no, not right now.
Wait till we get to Dust 2.0 and then ask for a respec, trust me it will be worth the wait. I hear eve players get a respec once a year? 2.0 ( next expansion ) should be in march, april, or may, nearly a year since the last official respec, if they follow the once a month updates. If we do get one again, it should be then. They don't and you heard wrong. In EVE, the rate at which you train skills is determined by the governing attributes of that skill and your points in those attributes. So what you get is a remap of your attribute points once a year, which makes you train certain skills faster (and other skills may be slower).
You don't automatically get all SP put back up for you to allocate into whatever skills like you do on Dust. |
Alena Ventrallis
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
27
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Posted - 2013.07.25 01:53:00 -
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Given these are the patchnotes, no, there should be no respect. We didn't get any of the new weapons or vehicles that should have been released with the full game, so theres no need for one.
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Cross Atu
Conspiratus Immortalis Covert Intervention
1328
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Posted - 2013.07.25 03:03:00 -
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dustwaffle wrote:BatKing Deltor wrote:Klash 816 wrote:Yes we need a respec at some point But no, not right now.
Wait till we get to Dust 2.0 and then ask for a respec, trust me it will be worth the wait. I hear eve players get a respec once a year? 2.0 ( next expansion ) should be in march, april, or may, nearly a year since the last official respec, if they follow the once a month updates. If we do get one again, it should be then. They don't and you heard wrong. In EVE, the rate at which you train skills is determined by the governing attributes of that skill and your points in those attributes. So what you get is a remap of your attribute points once a year, which makes you train certain skills faster (and other skills may be slower). You don't automatically get all SP put back up for you to allocate into whatever skills like you do on Dust. ^This.
Confirming that there are no respecs in EVE and that remaps, which can be used once a year, not only increase the speed of training some things but decrease the speed of training everything else so they require a lot of planning to use for a net gain (good system really).
~Cross |
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