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Alldin Kan
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.07.19 19:41:00 -
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Most of you should have known the nerf was coming, what you're using is a Logi suit not an Officer Assault suit! |
Spycrab Potato
Hold-Your-Fire
130
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Posted - 2013.07.19 19:43:00 -
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Tbqh, I have only seen two in General Discussions :/ |
THE TRAINSPOTTER
ROMANIA Renegades C0VEN
21
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Posted - 2013.07.19 19:43:00 -
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logi dropsuit? whats wrong with them? what nerf? |
Alldin Kan
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
408
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Posted - 2013.07.19 19:48:00 -
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Spycrab Potato wrote:Tbqh, I have only seen two in General Discussions :/
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=95523 |
hooc order
Deep Space Republic Top Men.
728
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Posted - 2013.07.19 19:50:00 -
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Most...what about the ones who didn't?
Screw them right?
Just give them a respec already.
Withholding respecs of a SP/leveling system which originated from turn based RPGs is not hardcore.
In fact by definition a leveling system is the exact opposite of hardcore. Clinging to it as if it makes this game more hardcore is futile and nauseating to watch. |
Mike Poole
Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State
349
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Posted - 2013.07.19 19:51:00 -
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Not everyone looking for a respec is a whiny ***** sad that they can't own everyone in their Cal Logi suits any more.
Compared to the new Amarr Adv Logi suits my Min suit is a steaming pile of slightly faster running crap on the side of the road.
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Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
6252
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Posted - 2013.07.19 19:53:00 -
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I think we need to put our foot down and say no, I mean this is what the game is not destined for a respec anytime anything new is added.
I mean where are we going to be a couple years from now when there are dozens of vehicles types and suits totaling your number of ways to play as to easily into the hundreds. |
BLKDG
ROYAL SQUAD Shadow of the Apocalypse
11
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Posted - 2013.07.19 20:01:00 -
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Respec cause I cant have it my way right away Derp
You guys were laughing it up when u were in your cal logi suits taken down players left and right Now u cant and im laughing at you Enjoy your next sp grind |
microwave UDIE
S.e.V.e.N. Top Men.
37
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Posted - 2013.07.19 20:05:00 -
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To IWS: I agree but there is a difference between releasing all the racial variants and adding new classes. |
hooc order
Deep Space Republic Top Men.
728
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Posted - 2013.07.19 20:22:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:I think we need to put our foot down and say no, I mean this is what the game is not destined for a respec anytime anything new is added.
I mean where are we going to be a couple years from now when there are dozens of vehicles types and suits totaling your number of ways to play as to easily into the hundreds.
So we should not allow a respec because of some game that may or may not exist in the future and CCP is not even willing to tell us about it.
And it is an EvE player who is telling us how great this game will one day be.....
Brilliant.
I say we put our foot down on the throats of the EvE players who keep clinging to a turn based SP/leveling aesthetic from the 80s and start letting the current players of the current game have access to what what features this game actually has to play with today. |
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Delta 749
Kestrel Reconnaissance
1365
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Posted - 2013.07.19 20:25:00 -
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You know whats funny, all those logi threads are made by butt hurt guys trying to declare this as something triumphant |
Mobius Wyvern
BetaMax. CRONOS.
2581
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Posted - 2013.07.19 20:27:00 -
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hooc order wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:I think we need to put our foot down and say no, I mean this is what the game is not destined for a respec anytime anything new is added.
I mean where are we going to be a couple years from now when there are dozens of vehicles types and suits totaling your number of ways to play as to easily into the hundreds. So we should not allow a respec because of some game that may or may not exist in the future and CCP is not even willing to tell us about it. And it is an EvE player who is telling us how great this game will one day be..... Brilliant. I say we put our foot down on the throats of the EvE players who keep clinging to a turn based SP/leveling aesthetic from the 80s and start letting the current players of the current game have access to what what features this game actually has to play with today. Because playing EVE or having ever played it in the past without thinking it was the worst pile of **** ever created means you have no conception of any other type of game and want any other game you play to be exactly like EVE.
I mean, really, do you people even thinking before posting this ****? You do realize pretty much all of use were gamers long before we encountered EVE, and this is not our first FPS.
But then I'm just being an idiot. You can't be cool around here without thinking CCP are terrible people and this game is just a ****** EVE-clone that's doomed to failure. |
Mike Poole
Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State
350
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Posted - 2013.07.19 20:28:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:I think we need to put our foot down and say no, I mean this is what the game is not destined for a respec anytime anything new is added.
I mean where are we going to be a couple years from now when there are dozens of vehicles types and suits totaling your number of ways to play as to easily into the hundreds.
This isn't a couple of years from now, this is present day now. This is an incomplete game where they're messing around with fundamental aspects of basic things like dropsuits.
People want to be able to make simple decisions on the most basic setups without having everything turned on it's head every time CCP decides it's time for a patch.
This isn't "Oh, I wanted to play with tanks before but now they've released Jets... recpec plz"
This is "Oh, I wanted to play as this kind of logi but now they've swapped stats and slots around and the suit that was perfect for my play style is a total piece of crap... respec please" |
Sloth9230
Deepspace Digital
2529
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Posted - 2013.07.19 20:29:00 -
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hooc order wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:I think we need to put our foot down and say no, I mean this is what the game is not destined for a respec anytime anything new is added.
I mean where are we going to be a couple years from now when there are dozens of vehicles types and suits totaling your number of ways to play as to easily into the hundreds. So we should not allow a respec because of some game that may or may not exist in the future and CCP is not even willing to tell us about it. And it is an EvE player who is telling us how great this game will one day be..... Brilliant. I say we put our foot down on the throats of the EvE players who keep clinging to a turn based SP/leveling aesthetic from the 80s and start letting the current players of the current game have access to what what features this game actually has to play with today. Why are you still here? Seriously, you hate the SP system, why do you still play? |
Lance 2ballzStrong
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
2887
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Posted - 2013.07.19 20:29:00 -
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but... the nerf wasn't even that big! lol... 20 cpu and the bonus... boohoo!
Shield > Armor still
I like how they buff the Caldari assault suit, and did nothing with the Gallente though... that made sense. |
Protocake JR
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
218
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Posted - 2013.07.19 20:29:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:I think we need to put our foot down and say no, I mean this is what the game is not destined for a respec anytime anything new is added.
I mean where are we going to be a couple years from now when there are dozens of vehicles types and suits totaling your number of ways to play as to easily into the hundreds.
What most people want are purchasable respecs that can be bought at anytime.
This is not about Cal logis (although we do have a few in our mix, most are trolls though)
This is not about CCP breaking down and giving free respecs to everyone affected by a balancing pass.
This is about people wanting to avoid grinding for 3 months by paying a little money just so they can use different vehicles, suits and weapons at a decent level. |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
5304
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Posted - 2013.07.19 20:30:00 -
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Mobius Wyvern wrote:I mean, really, do you people even thinking before posting this ****? You do realize pretty much all of use were gamers long before we encountered EVE, and this is not our first FPS.
But then I'm just being an idiot. You can't be cool around here without thinking CCP are terrible people and this game is just a ****** EVE-clone that's doomed to failure. To be fair, it's hard to trust players who come from a game that encourages you to lie, cheat, and steal from anyone and everyone. It's just easier to assume all EVE players are a bunch of selfish jerks who are out for themselves.
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Sloth9230
Deepspace Digital
2529
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Posted - 2013.07.19 20:31:00 -
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Mike Poole wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:I think we need to put our foot down and say no, I mean this is what the game is not destined for a respec anytime anything new is added.
I mean where are we going to be a couple years from now when there are dozens of vehicles types and suits totaling your number of ways to play as to easily into the hundreds. This isn't a couple of years from now, this is present day now. This is an incomplete game where they're messing around with fundamental aspects of basic things like dropsuits. People want to be able to make simple decisions on the most basic setups without having everything turned on it's head every time CCP decides it's time for a patch. This isn't "Oh, I wanted to play with tanks before but now they've released Jets... recpec plz" This is "Oh, I wanted to play as this kind of logi but now they've swapped stats and slots around and the suit that was perfect for my play style is a total piece of crap... respec please" I guess... if your play style involved a giant crutch |
gbghg
L.O.T.I.S. RISE of LEGION
2699
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Posted - 2013.07.19 20:36:00 -
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I both laugh at and weep for this community which is filled with people who APEC into FLOTM gear and then complain when it gets nerfed, and then has the audacity to demand a respec so they can spec into the next FLOTM gear. Here is exactly what we said would happen if respecs were to be made available on demand. |
MlDDLE MANGEMENT
lMPurity
145
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Posted - 2013.07.19 20:39:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:I think we need to put our foot down and say no, I mean this is what the game is not destined for a respec anytime anything new is added.
I mean where are we going to be a couple years from now when there are dozens of vehicles types and suits totaling your number of ways to play as to easily into the hundreds.
Then remove the cap and allow people to actually you know enjoy the game so they can get the content they desire. Its beyond stupidity to maintain a no respec policy during the log phase of the content curve. You want to do it when a steady state equilibrium has been acheived fine. But there is a lot more content being added in the near term with short small bursts of content that will be added over time. But there is a large amount of content still in the works that is centered around the full scale balance of the game. We arent even painting with the full set of the PRIMARY colors. Once you have all of that then lock it down for all i care because after that any additions wont have wild and large reaching changes on the overall balance of the game as it does now. |
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MlDDLE MANGEMENT
lMPurity
146
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Posted - 2013.07.19 20:41:00 -
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Sloth9230 wrote:Mike Poole wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:I think we need to put our foot down and say no, I mean this is what the game is not destined for a respec anytime anything new is added.
I mean where are we going to be a couple years from now when there are dozens of vehicles types and suits totaling your number of ways to play as to easily into the hundreds. This isn't a couple of years from now, this is present day now. This is an incomplete game where they're messing around with fundamental aspects of basic things like dropsuits. People want to be able to make simple decisions on the most basic setups without having everything turned on it's head every time CCP decides it's time for a patch. This isn't "Oh, I wanted to play with tanks before but now they've released Jets... recpec plz" This is "Oh, I wanted to play as this kind of logi but now they've swapped stats and slots around and the suit that was perfect for my play style is a total piece of crap... respec please" I guess... if your play style involved a giant crutch
So if they nerf Heavy suits or say gallente suits even further, respecs are okay since noone can argue these are a crutch right? |
Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
6258
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Posted - 2013.07.19 21:49:00 -
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There are plenty of ways to skin the cat though just some ways may wind up creating problems in the future.
I mean why do you think games like call of duty added in a prestige mode?
Optional full respect when possible just trivializes and will lead to the creation to a bad game environment to where the purchasable respect is a pay to win feature that only favors the rich and smart and lack of variety, creativity, and uniqueness of every player and every soldier.
Answers and solutions are not always simple and creating an environment where refunds, respects, and resets are common is disenfranchising the most to veteran and elite players. |
Delta 749
Kestrel Reconnaissance
1372
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Posted - 2013.07.19 21:51:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:There are plenty of ways to skin the cat though just some ways may wind up creating problems in the future.
I mean why do you think games like call of duty added in a prestige mode?
Optional full respect when possible just trivializes and will lead to the creation to a bad game environment to where the purchasable respect is a pay to win feature that only favors the rich and smart and lack of variety, creativity, and uniqueness of every player and every soldier.
Answers and solutions are not always simple and creating an environment where refunds, respects, and resets are common is disenfranchising the most to veteran and elite players.
Pretty sure everyone knows COD prestige is just for E peen and means nothing |
Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
6258
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Posted - 2013.07.19 21:58:00 -
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Delta 749 wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:There are plenty of ways to skin the cat though just some ways may wind up creating problems in the future.
I mean why do you think games like call of duty added in a prestige mode?
Optional full respect when possible just trivializes and will lead to the creation to a bad game environment to where the purchasable respect is a pay to win feature that only favors the rich and smart and lack of variety, creativity, and uniqueness of every player and every soldier.
Answers and solutions are not always simple and creating an environment where refunds, respects, and resets are common is disenfranchising the most to veteran and elite players. Pretty sure everyone knows COD prestige is just for E peen and means nothing
You get extra soldier slots with it these days or early unlocks and special skins and camo not normally available. |
Delta 749
Kestrel Reconnaissance
1372
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Posted - 2013.07.19 22:04:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Delta 749 wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:There are plenty of ways to skin the cat though just some ways may wind up creating problems in the future.
I mean why do you think games like call of duty added in a prestige mode?
Optional full respect when possible just trivializes and will lead to the creation to a bad game environment to where the purchasable respect is a pay to win feature that only favors the rich and smart and lack of variety, creativity, and uniqueness of every player and every soldier.
Answers and solutions are not always simple and creating an environment where refunds, respects, and resets are common is disenfranchising the most to veteran and elite players. Pretty sure everyone knows COD prestige is just for E peen and means nothing You get extra soldier slots with it these days or early unlocks and special skins and camo not normally available. But lets say... Remove the prestige mode from call of duty. What then?
Didnt know that, I havent been keeping current with the series Anyway remove prestige and you still have a well functioning shooter offering various customization options in both fittings, game modes, and appearance which is why people play it in the first place Personally though I dislike the whole "60 bucks every year for what basically amounts to a map pack" |
Casius Hakoke
Fenrir's Wolves RUST415
179
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Posted - 2013.07.19 22:11:00 -
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gbghg wrote:I both laugh at and weep for this community which is filled with people who APEC into FLOTM gear and then complain when it gets nerfed, and then has the audacity to demand a respec so they can spec into the next FLOTM gear. Here is exactly what we said would happen if respecs were to be made available on demand.
Quoted for the truth. |
Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
6263
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Posted - 2013.07.19 22:11:00 -
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Delta 749 wrote: Didnt know that, I havent been keeping current with the series Anyway remove prestige and you still have a well functioning shooter offering various customization options in both fittings, game modes, and appearance which is why people play it in the first place Personally though I dislike the whole "60 bucks every year for what basically amounts to a map pack"
actually its about $180 a year COD (70 USD game+ reserve cost 10-15 usd, 15 USD packs Multiple USD packs on a near bi monthly basis until next COD) subscription these days.
I am not just an eve player I am a gamer and have more than enough background in games played to be able to call various games that people overpraise total POS games. Unfortunately my xbox died so I been unable to enjoy my recent acquisition of the new batman games. |
Cat Merc
BetaMax. CRONOS.
3349
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Posted - 2013.07.19 22:12:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:There are plenty of ways to skin the cat though just some ways may wind up creating problems in the future.
I mean why do you think games like call of duty added in a prestige mode?
Optional full respect when possible just trivializes and will lead to the creation to a bad game environment to where the purchasable respect is a pay to win feature that only favors the rich and smart and lack of variety, creativity, and uniqueness of every player and every soldier.
Answers and solutions are not always simple and creating an environment where refunds, respects, and resets are common is disenfranchising the most to veteran and elite players. D: |
Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
6263
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Posted - 2013.07.19 22:14:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:There are plenty of ways to skin the cat... D:
<^-^> I purfurr BBQ'ed and humane departure of the animals, adrenaline ruins the taste. |
gbghg
L.O.T.I.S. RISE of LEGION
2704
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Posted - 2013.07.19 22:16:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:There are plenty of ways to skin the cat though just some ways may wind up creating problems in the future.
I mean why do you think games like call of duty added in a prestige mode?
Optional full respect when possible just trivializes and will lead to the creation to a bad game environment to where the purchasable respect is a pay to win feature that only favors the rich and smart and lack of variety, creativity, and uniqueness of every player and every soldier.
Answers and solutions are not always simple and creating an environment where refunds, respects, and resets are common is disenfranchising the most to veteran and elite players. D: *sharpens knife* |
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Cat Merc
BetaMax. CRONOS.
3349
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Posted - 2013.07.19 22:17:00 -
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gbghg wrote:Cat Merc wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:There are plenty of ways to skin the cat though just some ways may wind up creating problems in the future.
I mean why do you think games like call of duty added in a prestige mode?
Optional full respect when possible just trivializes and will lead to the creation to a bad game environment to where the purchasable respect is a pay to win feature that only favors the rich and smart and lack of variety, creativity, and uniqueness of every player and every soldier.
Answers and solutions are not always simple and creating an environment where refunds, respects, and resets are common is disenfranchising the most to veteran and elite players. D: *sharpens knife* *uses cat the finest armor the Gallente military has, and fails hard because armor is UP* |
gbghg
L.O.T.I.S. RISE of LEGION
2707
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Posted - 2013.07.19 22:22:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:gbghg wrote:Cat Merc wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:There are plenty of ways to skin the cat though just some ways may wind up creating problems in the future.
I mean why do you think games like call of duty added in a prestige mode?
Optional full respect when possible just trivializes and will lead to the creation to a bad game environment to where the purchasable respect is a pay to win feature that only favors the rich and smart and lack of variety, creativity, and uniqueness of every player and every soldier.
Answers and solutions are not always simple and creating an environment where refunds, respects, and resets are common is disenfranchising the most to veteran and elite players. D: *sharpens knife* *uses the finest armor the Gallente military has, and fails hard because armor is UP* Would you prefer it if I used a rusty spoon? It'll be harder to get through the armour but it will hurt more once I do. |
stlcarlos989
SVER True Blood
378
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Posted - 2013.07.19 22:28:00 -
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I run the adv version and the nerfed proto is still better than what I run now so I'm still gonna skill into it. I skilled into because I hate dying from explosives and then CCP nerfs the best counter to flaylocks, MDs and contact grenades. |
Delta 749
Kestrel Reconnaissance
1373
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Posted - 2013.07.19 22:32:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Delta 749 wrote: Didnt know that, I havent been keeping current with the series Anyway remove prestige and you still have a well functioning shooter offering various customization options in both fittings, game modes, and appearance which is why people play it in the first place Personally though I dislike the whole "60 bucks every year for what basically amounts to a map pack"
actually its about $180 a year COD (70 USD game+ reserve cost 10-15 usd, 15 USD packs Multiple USD packs on a near bi monthly basis until next COD) subscription these days. I am not just an eve player I am a gamer and have more than enough background in games played to be able to call various games that people overpraise total POS games. Unfortunately my xbox died so I been unable to enjoy my recent acquisition of the new batman games.
Sounds like wherever you get your games is ripping you off, the pre order payment should be going towards the cost of the game |
Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
6267
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Posted - 2013.07.19 23:09:00 -
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Delta 749 wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Delta 749 wrote: Didnt know that, I havent been keeping current with the series Anyway remove prestige and you still have a well functioning shooter offering various customization options in both fittings, game modes, and appearance which is why people play it in the first place Personally though I dislike the whole "60 bucks every year for what basically amounts to a map pack"
actually its about $180 a year COD (70 USD game+ reserve cost 10-15 usd, 15 USD packs Multiple USD packs on a near bi monthly basis until next COD) subscription these days. I am not just an eve player I am a gamer and have more than enough background in games played to be able to call various games that people overpraise total POS games. Unfortunately my xbox died so I been unable to enjoy my recent acquisition of the new batman games. Sounds like wherever you get your games is ripping you off, the pre order payment should be going towards the cost of the game
I don't pre order the games though its something i never made a habit of after all I never seen a game sold out on day one in my area. |
Sloth9230
Deepspace Digital
2538
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Posted - 2013.07.19 23:49:00 -
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MlDDLE MANGEMENT wrote:Sloth9230 wrote:Mike Poole wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:I think we need to put our foot down and say no, I mean this is what the game is not destined for a respec anytime anything new is added.
I mean where are we going to be a couple years from now when there are dozens of vehicles types and suits totaling your number of ways to play as to easily into the hundreds. This isn't a couple of years from now, this is present day now. This is an incomplete game where they're messing around with fundamental aspects of basic things like dropsuits. People want to be able to make simple decisions on the most basic setups without having everything turned on it's head every time CCP decides it's time for a patch. This isn't "Oh, I wanted to play with tanks before but now they've released Jets... recpec plz" This is "Oh, I wanted to play as this kind of logi but now they've swapped stats and slots around and the suit that was perfect for my play style is a total piece of crap... respec please" I guess... if your play style involved a giant crutch So if they nerf Heavy suits or say gallente suits even further, respecs are okay since noone can argue these are a crutch right? Heavies, Gallente, crutches? noob... |
The Robot Devil
BetaMax. CRONOS.
675
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Posted - 2013.07.19 23:52:00 -
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Worst part about it is that they will be monthly now. Trolled by our own hubris. |
SteelDark Knight
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
56
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Posted - 2013.07.20 00:06:00 -
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Sadly, we again blame and punish players vs. developers for the use of unbalanced items.
"Here is your sandbox, but, don't play with that, or that, or that, because I in my glorious opinion deem it to be overpowered and the great nerf bat cometh."
I don't have a problem with the balancing which was unusually done with a scalpel vs the hammer. I do have a problem with the fact that we blame players vs. the ones whom made the suit to begin with.
The responsibility and accountability should be pointed in another direction |
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